Manager draft

[Balu]

First round games, winners in bold:

1: Skizzo (Lattek) vs Stobzilla (Capello)
2: Cutch (Ferguson) vs DanNistelrooy (Ancelotti)
3: Edgar Allan Pillow (Capello) vs Jayvin (Ancelotti)
4: Gio (Trapattoni) vs The Red Viper (Guardiola)
5: MJJ (Lippi) vs crappycraperson (Michels)
6: Raees (del Bosque) vs Joga Bonito (Lattek)
7: harms (Trapattoni) vs Annahnomoss (Luxemburgo)
8: Balu&Pedro (Guttmann) vs Paolo Di Canio (van Gaal)

order of upcoming draft, we start at the bottom with @The Red Viper

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola

 

[Balu]

Remaining teams:

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff 11. Causio 12. Bettega.

05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen 10. Simonsen 11. Hannes 12. Pfaff.

06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti 10. Peruzzi 11. Jugovic 12. Di Livio.

07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier 10. Heynckes 11. Möller 12. H. Jensen.

08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya 10. Gonçalves 11. Matosas 12. Caetano.

10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane 10. Robson 11. Scholes 12. Giggs.

12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci 10. Suker 11. Casillas 12. Montero.

13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. D. Alves.

 

[The Red Viper]

Just came online. Two things. How many players can we select this round? Also, can I select a player who hasn't been drafted?

BTW, Just curious. Can I select a player who didn't play under Pep just to ruin someone's MK pick? Like tactical reasons.

 

[Balu]

Just came online. Two things. How many players can we select this round? Also, can I select a player who hasn't been drafted?

BTW, Just curious. Can I select a player who didn't play under Pep just to ruin someone's MK pick? Like tactical reasons.

The first question is answered in the rules in the op:

B6 - There will be 2 reinforcements per round after R1 till finals.

I assume that everyone, who isn't picked yet, is available. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise now with the nationalteams becoming also eligible. Also if we only were allowed to pick from the managers who went out in the first round, I couldn't pick anyone now. That would suck

Can't really answer the second question. My personal opinion though. If he hasn't played a single minute under the manager, he shouldn't be eligible. The moment he featured in at least one game, you can pick him. Doesn't matter if you plan to play him or not. But @Annahnomoss has to answer if being part of the squad is enough.

 

[antohan]

Ribery will lead to just as much 'peak under the manager' discussions as Henry does.

Mmmm, fair enough.

 

[antohan]

Remaining teams:

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff 11. Causio 12. Bettega.

05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen 10. Simonsen 11. Hannes 12. Pfaff.

06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti 10. Peruzzi 11. Jugovic 12. Di Livio.

07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier 10. Heynckes 11. Möller 12. H. Jensen.

08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya 10. Gonçalves 11. Matosas 12. Caetano.

10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane 10. Robson 11. Scholes 12. Giggs.

12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci 10. Suker 11. Casillas 12. Montero.

13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. D. Alves.

Would be more interesting to see the discarded players tbh.

 

[antohan]

Can't really answer the second question. My personal opinion though. If he hasn't played a single minute under the manager, he shouldn't be eligible. The moment he featured in at least one game, you can pick him. Doesn't matter if you plan to play him or not. But @Annahnomoss has to answer if being part of the squad is enough.

I asked that question re: reserving NT players in advance and was told it wasn't allowed (yet). It follows you can't pick outside the manager's pool.

 

[Balu]

Would be more interesting to see the discarded players tbh.

Thought about that, but they don't reflect the available playerpool at all, now with players becoming eligible through nationalteams. But here it is, just for you:

02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel 7. Emerson 8. Boban 9. Tassotti 10. Candela 11. Sebastiano Rossi 12. Weah.

03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba 7. Thiago Silva 8. G. Buffon 9. Alonso 10. Benarrivo 11. Modric 12. Ambrosini.

04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind 7. Van Bommel 8. Overmars 9 F. De Boer 10. Schweinsteiger 11. Van Der Sar 12. T. Müller.

09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. Seedorf 5. Sanchis 6. Helguera 7. L. Enrique 8. Illgner 9. Zamorano 10. Michel 11. Chendo 12. Makelele.

11. Gio/Theon:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter 7. Klinsmann 8. Passarella 9. Rivera 10. Rui Costa 11. Ferri 12. Zenga.

14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic 7. Di María 8. Terry 9. Ivanović 10. Čech 11. Pessotto 12. Lampard/Marcelo

15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 6. Dida 7. Mauro Silva 8. Ze Roberto 9. Mazinho 10. Ronaldinho 11. Ronaldão 12. Romario

16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi 6. Haan 7. Suurbier 8. Littbarski 9. Schumacher 10. Vasovic 11. Kiezer 12. Swart

 

[Balu]

I asked that question re: reserving NT players in advance and was told it wasn't allowed (yet). It follows you can't pick outside the manager's pool.

No, not at all. It just meant that you can't pick anyone who is only eligible through the nationalteam in the first round and that those players become eligible in the 2nd round of drafting.

 

[The Red Viper]

SAMUEL ETO'O
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[The Red Viper]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff 11. Causio 12. Bettega.

05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen 10. Simonsen 11. Hannes 12. Pfaff.

06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti 10. Peruzzi 11. Jugovic 12. Di Livio.

07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier 10. Heynckes 11. Möller 12. H. Jensen.

08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya 10. Gonçalves 11. Matosas 12. Caetano.

10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane 10. Robson 11. Scholes 12. Giggs.

12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci 10. Suker 11. Casillas 12. Montero.

13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. Eto'o

 

[The Red Viper]

Samuel Eto'o IN, Dani Alves OUT.

@Edgar Allan Pillow , Your Turn!

 

[Balu]

Samuel Eto'o IN, Dani Alves OUT.

@Edgar Allan Pillow , Your Turn!

We usually add players and don't replace two we already have? We'll have 14 players in the squad after this round of drafting, so that we have more tactical flexibilty. Should make for more interesting games.

 

[The Red Viper]

I thought we had to replace players.

 

[Balu]

I thought we had to replace players.

@Annahnomoss

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

The legendary Back 4 is now complete!

Capillows welcome Franco Baresi to the team.

 

[Cutch]

@Balu

 

[Balu]

To spice up the team, we add a bit of Gre-No-Li. We sadly can't include all of them. Gunnar Gren left Milan before Guttmann became their manager, but the other two were still around and key players in their title win, Gunnar Nordahl being again the league's top scorer with 27 goals. We don't need even more goalscorers in our team though, that's why the one we want in our team is the greatest Swedish player of all time.

"At the end of the 20th century Liedholm was voted the best Swedish player of the millennium by the readers of Sweden's largest newspaper, Aftonbladet."

Nils Liedholm

"According to legend, it took two years playing for Milan until Liedholm misplaced his first pass at the San Siro, the rarity prompting a five-minute ovation from the home crowd."

"Liedholm had great technical and physical skills with a middle distance athlete pace and great versatility on the pitch, in fact, later in his career, he even played as a defensive midfielder and centre-half. Of the three players he was probably the most complete and the one with the best physical condition: he played for the Rossoneri for 12 seasons, and retired from football when he was 38 years old, after tutoring a young boy whose name was Gianni Rivera."

Here's a great blogpost about that wonderful Swedish trio:
http://talesoffootball.blogspot.de/2011/08/legendary-gre-no-li-trio-in-brief-g-re.html

 

[Balu]

I just assume that we add the new players for now.

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff 11. Causio 12. Bettega.

05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen 10. Simonsen 11. Hannes 12. Pfaff.

06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti 10. Peruzzi 11. Jugovic 12. Di Livio.

07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier 10. Heynckes 11. Möller 12. H. Jensen.

08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya 10. Gonçalves 11. Matosas 12. Caetano 13. Liedholm

10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane 10. Robson 11. Scholes 12. Giggs 13. C. Ronaldo

12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci 10. Suker 11. Casillas 12. Montero 13. Baresi

13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. D. Alves. 13. Eto'o

@Joga Bonito

 

[Joga Bonito]

The whining cry-baby personally welcomes Der Terminator, Lother Matthews , to the team

Not the Inter peak Lothar Matthäus mind you but still a complete midfield colossus nonetheless, who won 3 Bundesligas and a DFB Pokal Cup in the 4 years at Bayern under Lattek, scoring a cool 57 goals in 113 league matches.

 

[Joga Bonito]

01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu 7. Benetti 8. P. Rossi 9. Furino 10. Zoff 11. Causio 12. Bettega.

05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby 7. Roth 8. Stielike 9. J. Hansen 10. Simonsen 11. Hannes 12. Pfaff.

06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta 7. Conte 8.Deschamps 9. Zanetti 10. Peruzzi 11. Jugovic 12. Di Livio.

07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Hoeneß 7. Bonhof 8. Wimmer 9. Maier 10. Heynckes 11. Möller 12. H. Jensen 13. Lothar Matthäus

08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna 7. Augusto 8. Eusebio 9. Joya 10. Gonçalves 11. Matosas 12. Caetano 13. Liedholm

10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin 7. Schmeichel 8. G. Neville 9. Keane 10. Robson 11. Scholes 12. Giggs 13. C. Ronaldo

12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta 7. Albertini 8. Donadoni 9. Panucci 10. Suker 11. Casillas 12. Montero 13. Baresi

13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta 6. Henry 7. Piqué 8. Busquets 9. Messi 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. D. Alves. 13. Eto'o

@MJJ

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

1) Just no, you want the better defender next to Piqué, that defence was set up so that the RB did the foraging.
2) Flavour of the month, Busquets was excellent and I see no reason to break up that trio.
3) He already has Robben, Ribery is the obvious improvement

I agree with these three points completely. The second one the most. No matter how good Alonso is you can't beat that trio with a Pep player.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I agree with these three points completely. The second one the most. No matter how good Alonso is you can't beat that trio with a Pep player.

Doesn't just have to be Pep's Barca. He can switch to the brilliant Spanish team too if needed. The player pool would suit that too!

 

[Cutch]

Not sure how I can possibly improve my team now.

 

[MJJ]

pirlo

@Skizzo

 

[Gio]

Villa would be more of a genuine threat there than Henry, although he presents the same type of peak form question marks.

 

[Gio]

Not sure how I can possibly improve my team now.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I've been look at the teamsheets quite a bit now and could not find a single team I fancy myself against. Everyone's so strong at QF!

I expect every single QF match to go down the wire.

 

[MJJ]

Not sure how I can possibly improve my team now.

taibi is available.

 

[Skizzo]

Little bit of a defensive reshuffle, and I'll be glad to welcome in

@harms

 

[harms]

@Skizzo

 

[antohan]

No, not at all. It just meant that you can't pick anyone who is only eligible through the nationalteam in the first round and that those players become eligible in the 2nd round of drafting.

If you are not allowed to pick a player who would eventually be eligible surely you can't pick one that never will?

 

[antohan]

I thought we had to replace players.

Don't think so, but that would be something worth considering going forward.

 

[Balu]

If you are not allowed to pick a player who would eventually be eligible surely you can't pick one that never will?

I honestly don't understand that .

1st round: only allowed to pick players who played under the chosen manager at club level
2nd round and all the following: allowed to pick players who played under the chosen manager at club level and at a nationalteam he managed

That's it, clear as day. It wasn't about when you're allowed to play them in a game, but when you're allowed to pick them in the draft.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

The way this is going, I hope @Annahnomoss can get the draw ready soon.

 

[Balu]

I've no idea who to pick next though

 

[antohan]

Not sure how I can possibly improve my team now.

Bring on some cheerleaders

 

[Skizzo]

Bit more reshuffling on the backend

@MJJ

 

[antohan]

pirlo

@Skizzo

 

[Skizzo]

I honestly don't understand that .

1st round: only allowed to pick players who played under the chosen manager at club level
2nd round and all the following: allowed to pick players who played under the chosen manager at club level and at a nationalteam he managed

That's it, clear as day. It wasn't about when you're allowed to play them in a game, but when you're allowed to pick them in the draft.

But the original question was can a Player be picked that wasnt eligible for your team, just so another manager cant pick him.

for example, if I drafted Batistuta just so harms couldn't, even though im completely unable to actually use him.