Not really a straw man. Liverpool's fans had all English clubs banned for 5 years. Not sure they should be trying to occupy the high ground on a ban.
Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million
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Nouveau-riche mentality plus they are used to getting things their way.
It is when it's irrelevant to this point in question. I doubt if any Liverpool fan is trying to occupy the 'high ground' as you say. Just because a tragedy occurred in 1985 does not preclude Liverpool fans having an opinion on the City issue
I'd stay off the Heysel argument if I were you...just friendly advice
Well be having a lie in for a while yet
I can see them overturning it, too much power and money at that club
IF the article about their players being able to go for free is true or even if they do remain banned from the CL I hope we are straight away contacting the likes of KDB etc trying to sign them. I'd even jump at getting Aguero despite his age and injury record. We wont though we will delay as usual and the likes of Chelsea/ Real etc will end up with them
IF the article about their players being able to go for free is true or even if they do remain banned from the CL I hope we are straight away contacting the likes of KDB etc trying to sign them. I'd even jump at getting Aguero despite his age and injury record. We wont though we will delay as usual and the likes of Chelsea/ Real etc will end up with them
Wait what? Is a plausible outcome that Liverpool gets the 13-14 title and we don't get the 11-12? So they gain one on us plus wins this year and equal our tally? And Gerrard gets a prem title?
That is not good news.
That is not good news.
It makes me all the more appreciate Levy and his infrastructure investment.
Money can fall into football - and then out again - with the cheating sugar-daddies, but Spurs are set up fair and square for the long-term.
Money can fall into football - and then out again - with the cheating sugar-daddies, but Spurs are set up fair and square for the long-term.
Especially with all the silverware to boot.
Good work turning this into a positive for the Spurs stadium
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so Liverpool will have 2 PL titles at the end of the year.
I take it back. Dont ban City!
Swear the coronavirus outbreak is good for the Spurs stadium.
They do have the best PL stadium restaurants.
And apparently they have some sports activities there... I heard some soccer team.
Gulf billionaires doing what they want regardless of the consequences shock. It's just what they do. When they grow up without restraint or control it's no surprise they act like they do when they become adults. Look at Saudi's MBS. They think they can buy anything including their way out of trouble and if they don't get their way they start the bellicosity and threats. This is just how they act over there, I know, my mum comes from that part of the world and being notoriously thin-skinned, was always making threats to anyone who crossed her. It's who they are
The fact is that they were charged with some offences. They claim to have '200 pages of irrefutable proof' but as pertaining to the emails detailing how Etihad is only responsible for delivering £8m of the £65m sponsorship, they only need one. The reply to the original email making the correction that Etihad IS responsible for the entire £65m. Clearly they don't have this or else it would have been provided at an earlier stage and we wouldn't be here. Was it taken out of context then? Probably not, the emails were as self-explanatory as can be so don't see how 200 pages are going to muddy the waters to create enough ambiguity over them
City knew they were bang to rights from the beginning. I knew they didn't have a case as soon as they started mouthing off and shooting the messengers (the hacker, Pinto, and Der Spiegel). They have been dragged kicking and screaming and that is how I imagine they will go down. There is a common view that the two year ban will be reduced to one at CAS and if this happens, City might be able to live with that. Some of the players will be happy at City, kids settled at school and there will be a degree of loyalty to City so they might be able to ride a one year ban however in order for this to happen City will have to stand down to some extent, apologise and express remorse. This just ain't gonna happen. This isn't what they do over there
If City continues to pursue a hostile approach into and perhaps beyond CAS, ie with a case that lacks merit, aggressive, that seeks to discredit the UEFA independant committee (made up of distinguished and eminent lawyers) to another bunch of distinguished and eminent lawyers...they will get no succour. Lawyers are human too and whilst they rule strictly on a legal basis there will be plenty of grey area where personal opinion can influence decision making, bit like VAR. Was it a handball? Erm, maybe, who was the player involved? TAA? No, we like him, arm was close enough to the body. Accidental!
If City don't row back I think the 2 year ban will hold, fines will be increased, they will incur the enduring hostility of UEFA and it will end the City project in the medium term. Players aside, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people
The fact is that they were charged with some offences. They claim to have '200 pages of irrefutable proof' but as pertaining to the emails detailing how Etihad is only responsible for delivering £8m of the £65m sponsorship, they only need one. The reply to the original email making the correction that Etihad IS responsible for the entire £65m. Clearly they don't have this or else it would have been provided at an earlier stage and we wouldn't be here. Was it taken out of context then? Probably not, the emails were as self-explanatory as can be so don't see how 200 pages are going to muddy the waters to create enough ambiguity over them
City knew they were bang to rights from the beginning. I knew they didn't have a case as soon as they started mouthing off and shooting the messengers (the hacker, Pinto, and Der Spiegel). They have been dragged kicking and screaming and that is how I imagine they will go down. There is a common view that the two year ban will be reduced to one at CAS and if this happens, City might be able to live with that. Some of the players will be happy at City, kids settled at school and there will be a degree of loyalty to City so they might be able to ride a one year ban however in order for this to happen City will have to stand down to some extent, apologise and express remorse. This just ain't gonna happen. This isn't what they do over there
If City continues to pursue a hostile approach into and perhaps beyond CAS, ie with a case that lacks merit, aggressive, that seeks to discredit the UEFA independant committee (made up of distinguished and eminent lawyers) to another bunch of distinguished and eminent lawyers...they will get no succour. Lawyers are human too and whilst they rule strictly on a legal basis there will be plenty of grey area where personal opinion can influence decision making, bit like VAR. Was it a handball? Erm, maybe, who was the player involved? TAA? No, we like him, arm was close enough to the body. Accidental!
If City don't row back I think the 2 year ban will hold, fines will be increased, they will incur the enduring hostility of UEFA and it will end the City project in the medium term. Players aside, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people
So which players will try and get out of their contracts?
I'm not hopeful that any of the big'uns will want out. Didn't they miss out on CL a few years ago yet they still managed to keep Silva, Aguero, Kompany, etc? Or am I misremembering? I think I am, to be honest!
Yeah they've made the CL every year since 2011 sadly.
Can someone answer this as I was thinking about it earlier but don't know all the finances involved. Assuming this all sticks and they have to contend with the fine plus loss of Champions League revenue, can they actually still afford to retain their wage bill without creating further imaginary sponsors and end up in more hot water?
Oops, my bad. I think I was thinking of the season where we finished level on points with them but they clinched 4th due to a better goal difference.
It was tainted irrespective.
If United were to get awarded the premier league from Mourinho's 2nd season in charge would it change how fans view Mourinho's stay at our club? I mean he did bring up the fact that it was hard to compete with man city because they were able to splash like 120 million on just fullbacks and we now know (it was never in doubt really) that they were bending the financial rules to allow pep to go crazy in the transfer market.
It would make Woodward look even more inept than he already does look if it turns he got rid of a Mourinho half a season after winning the league and we ended up no better off positionally from sacking him.
It would make Woodward look even more inept than he already does look if it turns he got rid of a Mourinho half a season after winning the league and we ended up no better off positionally from sacking him.
If Woodward fired or kept Mourinho on the basis of how well City were doing, he would be stupid.
Would not want it on our record to be honest, and to be honest would not change my views on Mourinho.
Money trouble or not, they won it on the pitch.
I wonder how much a £30 million fine and no CL football for two seasons will impact City financially.
Without cooking the books, can they afford to cover squad salaries? Not to mention the non-playing staff and other club associates.
Without cooking the books, can they afford to cover squad salaries? Not to mention the non-playing staff and other club associates.
That is my take too
It's less about what the club did or didn't do and more about it becoming public
Think it will be a major issue trying to comply with FFP in the future. Champions league is a big portion of their revenue
They are already paying Pep and players through shell companies, they’ll just do it even more.
City will have no issues keeping players, just as they never have, cause massive money talks.
I'm not sure if that news the other day about the friendly tournament is true, but there is £500m prize money straight away.
I don't see how they can get out of this one, looking at the figures they have cheated so evidently it really is disgraceful. The amount of money Man City would make without their corrupt sponsorship deals is about 30% of what their current figures are.
To be sponsored by their owners brands just so they could pump £billions into the club is such a clear breach of FFP, I don't know how they think they could get away with it, I guess they just thought they could pay the right people off and hope UEFA wouldn't dare do something like this. The problem for City is that they can't just go back to that model of getting oil money pumped into the club so how can they compete doing it organically like other clubs, they can't.
To be sponsored by their owners brands just so they could pump £billions into the club is such a clear breach of FFP, I don't know how they think they could get away with it, I guess they just thought they could pay the right people off and hope UEFA wouldn't dare do something like this. The problem for City is that they can't just go back to that model of getting oil money pumped into the club so how can they compete doing it organically like other clubs, they can't.
this needs to happen
I'd imagine not if they wanted to follow the law. If the club were run within their means they'd probably be a mid to top half team.
So this just happened:
"SHOCK NEWS AS CITY ARE FOUND GUILTY OF COOKING THE BOOKS AND BANNED FOR TWO YEARS FROM EUROPE"
Glaston: "Well, only goes to show how well spurs have done with their new stadium."
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I looked it up. The following link provides some insight into their financial situation if the ban is upheld:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergei...their-uefa-champions-league-ban/#42e5079e5587
Do you seriously think that will happen? City will appeal and get a year knocked off, players will rally around pep
Its a tough one to call. Honestly I'd expect to see 2 or 3 big earners leave after the CAS decision (more if we get relegated and how far down we get thrown). I think Sterling would be the first to jump to be honest. It very much depends on whether the players were allowed to walk for free for breach of contract too. If they are not I'd suspect Sterling and KDB would bring in well over £200m alone. If they can leave on a free I'd expect a mass exodus and us naturally ending up pretty much back where we were in 2007/2008.
Pretty sure if Bernardo leaves it won't be for Benfica... Not to mention that quote is related to how he'd like to finish his career.
Pep will be offDo you seriously think that will happen? City will appeal and get a year knocked off, players will rally around pep
How about all singing the CL anthem, too?
I didn't say that it's the only thing it shows (I've already said that that City's punishment should be more severe), but is one thing that it shows … namely that sugar-daddy money is unreliable and what's here today may be gone tomorrow (in this case as a result of penalties imposed due to cheating), whereas the £1 billion invested by Levy in infrastructure - and funded from our own earned resources - will pay financial dividends for many decades into the future.