Seriously?
Manchester tier 3 - no fans allowed. London and Liverpool Tier 2 and can have fans.
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Does that curve capture the entire mass testing period? If they have "randomly" selected test persons, their inference from the curve makes sense.Mass testing.
If they've tested by probable exposure and suspicion, that curve is not unexpected and could possibly be explained by initial entrainment in detecting "most probable" candidates, followed by a period of testing increasingly less likely candidates.
There are surely several potential explanations other than the obvious "it must be in decline". The interpretation of the data is not necessarily straightforward- if they are not randomly selected, any pattern could appear from other factors.
Assume whatever the region it's home fans allowed only and not any away fans?
This sounds pretty unfair to me, but is there really nothing that can be done for Manchester to be at least level 2?
From business pov 2000 fans is a losing money number i hazard a guess.
You need certain numbers to hit minimum number.
Opening certain services (stewards, security, etc)
Imagine a full fledge restaurant opens for 20 people only. Losing money from services alone.
You need certain numbers to hit minimum number.
Opening certain services (stewards, security, etc)
Imagine a full fledge restaurant opens for 20 people only. Losing money from services alone.
you are right to some extent. But what impact it will have, who knows.
but even if we brought back all fans now, then there will be arguments that some teams are disadvantages more than others, because they may have played harder teams at home without any crowds.
to be honest, I don’t care whether it has an impact on competition, it’s better to get fans back in the stadiums, even if it means we can’t get fans at United yet.
Where's bollocks about no singing and shouting coming from?
Surely a joke, right?
Surely a joke, right?
This actually is not confirmed yet - just paper talk
I've seen artcles saying singing will be allowed
If mass testing is effective enough to stop the spread in Liverpool to the extent they claim, when are we in GM going to get mass testing? We’ve been in the middle of a spike for months now, surely if there’s an effective method of culling that we should be all over it.
Won't the argument not just be about fans but the revenue? Tier 2 clubs can make some money but Tier 3 not?
Apparently fans will not be allowed to chant or do much according to reports I have seen
Yes, they've said sit there and be quiet. Likely story!Apparently fans will not be allowed to chant or do much according to reports I have seen
Its fine. It's the best of a bad situation. Cities (and the clubs within them) who handled the virus better than others would essentially be punished for others not handling things well if it was an all for one rule, so while this puts us slightly behind, its still the right thing to do IMO.
The no singing or shouting thing won't be enforced, no way to do it.
The no singing or shouting thing won't be enforced, no way to do it.
Lets be clear this is a POLITICAL decision due to the Mayor of Manchester calling out the corrupt tory government and fair play to him least some one is trying to stick up for the North, and football 2000 fans won't make a pinch of a difference to top club incomes I would say it is even more against those who desperately who are just trying to survive, they need fans more than the likes of the Scousers and the rest.
They are making it harder and harder to care about football this year.
The farce of internationals accelerating the spread of covid among players in a supposed bubble is one thing. The tight schedule and injuries/burnout and low quality of some of the games is another.
Now, certain teams will have fans to play for and a clear advantage over other teams in the same division?
Honestly, if there was going to be no care or consistency, I don’t know why they even bothered starting the season.
The farce of internationals accelerating the spread of covid among players in a supposed bubble is one thing. The tight schedule and injuries/burnout and low quality of some of the games is another.
Now, certain teams will have fans to play for and a clear advantage over other teams in the same division?
Honestly, if there was going to be no care or consistency, I don’t know why they even bothered starting the season.
Do any of you guys know how long the current "Tier classification" is valid and in which periods it will be updated?
It's being reviewed on the 16th December
Could record yourself shouting “you fecking knobhead!” and other such gems then play it full volume
Thanks mate. I hope Manchester will be Tier 2 until then.
I really want to see some reds back in the stands at Old Trafford. Hard to watch the games with a empty Old Trafford for much longer. It just isn't the same. With away games i actually care a lot less ironically
Another heavily asterisked season then
It’s been happening in the NFL all season - I don’t think 2-4K people will make much of a difference at the big stadiums.
It’s nice to see fans coming back slowly anyway.
It’s nice to see fans coming back slowly anyway.
Perfect, our victim mentality fanbase have a perfect excuse for our shitness now.
Absolutely diabolic.
Isn't this a game that should be played equally?
Isn't this a country where people and jobs should be treated equally?
Isn't this a game that should be played equally?
Isn't this a country where people and jobs should be treated equally?
I don’t know about that. 2000 fans could easily make a penalty 1% harder. That’s enough in a 0-0, last minute.
I believe quite a few of these activities have had to happen with no fans anyway, certainly the case with stewards and security.
The whole thing makes no sense. I can go to a barber but I can't sit in a restaurant and eat some food? What a pack of feckwits!
Made a difference in Turkey. Constant whistling, hollering and booing from start to finish.
Imagine 2000 rabid scousers in that empty shithole. It'll be horrible.
They were doing the same thing in Germany. (At least at the start of the season, not sure how that developed as the situation changed.) I wonder how it was received over there.
This was also done in the Netherlands. In no time, supporters were out in full force again - followed by a threat by the government that stadiums would close completely again if that didn't change. I think that helped quiet people down, although stadiums eventually closed again anyway due to rising infection numbers. (@KirkDuyt might have better info.)
No it's true, our PM said, you don't need to sing just say "hup!"
I'm not entirely convinced our PM is an actual human being, mind you. If anyone is an animated construct created by the lizard people to keep the regular man down, it's Mark Rutte.
The 'hup' comments was probably the most out-of-touch thing I have heard this year. Rutte is hilarious in a clueless sort of way.
Can only blame the people in the area
2,000 fans in premier league stadiums will feel madness. Like some sort of youth cup match. But even for that United would probably still get 15,000.
2,000 fans at Tottenham or Liverpool or somewhere would mean about 10 fans in each massive block of seats. Probably quite costly to open and causes loads of problems of how and who is picked to come.
If no noise is allowed they might as well stick with the cardboard cut outs in the crowd! Or install some of those WWE style video screens!
2,000 fans at Tottenham or Liverpool or somewhere would mean about 10 fans in each massive block of seats. Probably quite costly to open and causes loads of problems of how and who is picked to come.
If no noise is allowed they might as well stick with the cardboard cut outs in the crowd! Or install some of those WWE style video screens!
Bullshit. We have a lower R rate then London yet we’re tier 3 & they are tier 2? feck off you fat Tory twat.
Is the right answer.
I understand its very different stakes and culture but here in the states in has been like this since about June.
Some MLS sides have had a small number of fans throughout and some, like the side I have season tickets for in NYC havn't had fans since matchday 1. I havent looked into the stats but generally teams who were expected to be good were and it seems in person fans didnt make an average side pushing for top of the table.
Yes it is unfair but all in all some states dont allow in person and some do, saying that I do not think I would have gone even if allowed.
Some MLS sides have had a small number of fans throughout and some, like the side I have season tickets for in NYC havn't had fans since matchday 1. I havent looked into the stats but generally teams who were expected to be good were and it seems in person fans didnt make an average side pushing for top of the table.
Yes it is unfair but all in all some states dont allow in person and some do, saying that I do not think I would have gone even if allowed.
Nonsense. Same behaviour across the country. We just all live on top of each other in NW. London was also the epicentre of the virus in the spring/summer. This time it's been here in the NW probably because more people in London had already had it earlier in the year and still have antibodies.
2000 fans in 40/50/60k stadiums really isn’t worth the bother surely.
Anyone actually have the breakdown of what it costs a club to put a game on?
Anyone actually have the breakdown of what it costs a club to put a game on?
Pretty sure it’s based on the council asking for it. At least that seems to be the case in Lancashire.Conspiracy
The tiers are based on various factors, like infection rates, capacity of the NHS etc infection rates in the North West have been consistently amongst the worst in the country.
Can’t imagine Manchester asked for it though.
Hope this is a joke
Not sure how it's possible to stop supporters from singing or shouting unless the few thosuands let in are the prawn sandwiches supporters?
What's the plan in place for supporters coming and going to stadiums? I wouldn't be too keen boarding a packed tram back into Manchester City centre nowadays.
What's the plan in place for supporters coming and going to stadiums? I wouldn't be too keen boarding a packed tram back into Manchester City centre nowadays.