Manchester United to resume search for technical director

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With Woodward it will never happen, ego matter

He wants to be the talk of the town, he will not allow a figure like that
 

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The closest Ferguson has come to condemnation is the Bayern comment. I wish he considered himself wealthy enough to genuinely speak his mind, even if it resulted in a Bill Shankly-type banishment.
I think he could do it, have a go at the glazers whilst leaving the squad and ole out of it. I feel someone like Saf standing up and saying enough is enough will truly get the fans calling for the glazers/Woodwards head.
 

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Its incredible that many of you cannot comprehend that bringing in a Technical Director during the middle of the Transfer season may have a negative effect on the general day to day running of the club and the overall success of that person.

Look at the ridiculous overreaction to this article in the thread and the responses from the posters, then consider what would be the reaction if a Director had come in in June and the purported failure by Woodward to make signings fell on his head?

United would have laid a deadline to find a Director prior to the Transfer window starting. Its obvious that they are yet to find a contact that is suitable for the role, that upholds the traditions of United, but provides something more than we already have.

If Gary Neville and his merry group of muppets keep banging on about finding "best in class", "best in class" is not just going to present itself at our door. Further, unlike footballers and managers, there is significant ramifications with regards to signing directors and executives from business. Especially when you consider that overall financial success and operation of the business is systematically relied on this single person. I would say the role is more important than a manager or a player at the club because he has to work with everybody.

Get your head out of your arses and stop thinking this is an overnight fix.

The thing of it is that it almost does not matter when you bring in a technical director/DOF because the part of their job concerning roster management and player acquisition is supposed to be planned out well in advance.

Even if you hired one mid summer window they would be already planning for the winter window and the following summer window because they would need to assess contracts to determine who to extend, who to sell, who to loan etc.

The problem here is that the DoF should have been hired 7 years ago to facilitate the transition from Fergie and develop the vision, planning, and strategies to move United forward.

For the major franchises in North America everyone has their list ready at all times because General Managers (equivalent of DoF) come and go all the time.

This lengthy delays speaks volumes about the gross mismanagement of United.

If you cannot get a DoF/Techincal Director in the fold in a few months or less it means the position is a poison pill because DoF GM positions are the most coveted positions in sports.

It suggests that no one wants to go to United because they will not have the autonomy needed to do the job to the best of their ability.
 

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Its incredible that many of you cannot comprehend that bringing in a Technical Director during the middle of the Transfer season may have a negative effect on the general day to day running of the club and the overall success of that person.

Look at the ridiculous overreaction to this article in the thread and the responses from the posters, then consider what would be the reaction if a Director had come in in June and the purported failure by Woodward to make signings fell on his head?

United would have laid a deadline to find a Director prior to the Transfer window starting. Its obvious that they are yet to find a contact that is suitable for the role, that upholds the traditions of United, but provides something more than we already have.

If Gary Neville and his merry group of muppets keep banging on about finding "best in class", "best in class" is not just going to present itself at our door. Further, unlike footballers and managers, there is significant ramifications with regards to signing directors and executives from business. Especially when you consider that overall financial success and operation of the business is systematically relied on this single person. I would say the role is more important than a manager or a player at the club because he has to work with everybody.

Get your head out of your arses and stop thinking this is an overnight fix.
Did it negatively effect Arsenal or Lyon?
 

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Suggesting?
I mean, he could be there for the shits and giggles for sure. But he has been linked with the position and he is in Manchester on a pissing down Friday night when I am sure he could be elsewhere.
 

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With Woodward it will never happen, ego matter

He wants to be the talk of the town, he will not allow a figure like that
He may be ok with hiring a figurehead who has no experience and will be content with just the position and the salary without any real say. Hence the rumors keep coming out about our recently retired players.
 

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Imagine if woody had of had the foresight and brains to make Ole DoF before he made him full time manager and went hard after Pochettino. What a dream pairing that would have been....
 
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I mean, he could be there for the shits and giggles for sure. But he has been linked with the position and he is in Manchester on a pissing down Friday night when I am sure he could be elsewhere.
I don't know what to make of Fletcher being linked with the position. He recently finished his playing career and how efficient could he be at the job?
What is your take on him being linked with the role?
 

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Why would Ole be such a dream DOF? Am I missing something obvious?
Not a dream DoF, but he's laid out some markers in terms of recruitment. And he's got his three signings pretty on the mark. So far, ticks more boxes as a DoF than a top class manager. Early days still..

Moot point though, as it would be quite unlikely he'd take that sideways move and of course, the main point, we probably won't ever have a real DoF under this ownership.
 

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Saw this thread bumped and thought it was time for the usual periodic release of a story about us looking for a DOF when things aren't going good. I'll give it one more draw/loss before the story comes out again.
 

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Do we need a DOF to unearth very expensive local talent? The only bargain we made this year was James. He was suggested by Giggs.
 

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I’ve said this many times but I’ll say it again....

Carlos Quieroz.

Knows the club, and was hugely successful here. So he’s a cultural fit. But critically he’s also hugely experienced, and understands how players fit into systems as he’s a superb tactical coach. He speaks multiple languages, has the right sort of profile, and is well respected across Europe and much of the world. He has, as expected, a vast network of players, coaches, chairmen, and agents. He’s a classy guy, and would be a sensational pick for the job IMO. I struggle to think of anyone better for the job. He’s even familiar with Solskjær as he coached him at United in the early to mid 2000s. He’s a strong personality too, as he was known to stand up to difficult players, or bad behaviour, including a bust up with Roy Keane which he won.
 
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A bit of a clickbait piece on the Ed really wanting VDS in the Mirror (or was it the Mail?) - anyone seen that reported by more reputable outlets?
 

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Can we stop being negative for a while. Everything the club does is met with snidey remarks.

This things takes time, there's not many DOF around let alone a good one. The good one are working somewhere.

Just looking for a quick fix and appoint anyone they can find to oversee a rebuilt is equally catastrophic than having no dof.
 

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Can we stop being negative for a while. Everything the club does is met with snidey remarks.

This things takes time, there's not many DOF around let alone a good one. The good one are working somewhere.

Just looking for a quick fix and appoint anyone they can find to oversee a rebuilt is equally catastrophic than having no dof.
But it's took nearly 2 years...there's not that many DoF to choose from!

Anyhow, Edwin is a ceo at Ajax, I'd happily replace Ed for Edwin as ceo, not DoF.
 

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Can we stop being negative for a while. Everything the club does is met with snidey remarks.

This things takes time, there's not many DOF around let alone a good one. The good one are working somewhere.

Just looking for a quick fix and appoint anyone they can find to oversee a rebuilt is equally catastrophic than having no dof.
it has been almost 6 years since Fergie. Of course fans start to get annoyed that the club refuses to male the right steps
 

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A bit of a clickbait piece on the Ed really wanting VDS in the Mirror (or was it the Mail?) - anyone seen that reported by more reputable outlets?
Reads like click bait, but even if the report is true — I don't know if Van der Sar can work under Woodward because there's a great deal of administrative overlap between their respective roles at Ajax and United (unless the former becomes the head of Manchester United's Football operations in Manchester and Woodward sticks to the business/company side in his London office). Plus, Edwin doesn't head their transfer operations with regard to scouting players or establishing a coherent assessment philosophy, which throws another spanner in the works because we need a genuine specialist in that department on the basis of our inconsistent transfer dealings in recent seasons...

 

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In support of its Van der Sar, Ajax just sold their newly rebuilt team. When the DoF never gets to build a European Championship side would you stay, or go elsewhere to take up a position where the side you build won't be dismantled for money?

Against: Van der Sar is CEO at Ajax. Who you take a job downgrade for more money at United?
 

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I’ve said this many times but I’ll say it again....

Carlos Quieroz.

Knows the club, and was hugely successful here. So he’s a cultural fit. But critically he’s also hugely experienced, and understands how players fit into systems as he’s a superb tactical coach. He speaks multiple languages, has the right sort of profile, and is well respected across Europe and much of the world. He has, as expected, a vast network of players, coaches, chairmen, and agents. He’s a classy guy, and would be a sensational pick for the job IMO. I struggle to think of anyone better for the job. He’s even familiar with Solskjær as he coached him at United in the early to mid 2000s. He’s a strong personality too, as he was known to stand up to difficult players, or bad behaviour, including a bust up with Roy Keane which he won.
We must sign the next Bebe
 

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Saw this thread bumped and thought it was time for the usual periodic release of a story about us looking for a DOF when things aren't going good. I'll give it one more draw/loss before the story comes out again.
It will probably be ‘Ole for the chop’ stories first...
 
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In support of its Van der Sar, Ajax just sold their newly rebuilt team. When the DoF never gets to build a European Championship side would you stay, or go elsewhere to take up a position where the side you build won't be dismantled for money?

Against: Van der Sar is CEO at Ajax. Who you take a job downgrade for more money at United?
It happens very often, the two clubs are incomparable from a size perspective, and so the jobs are nowhere near the same.

More than reasonable to go from a CEO of an SME to a COO of a big company for example.
 

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A bit of a clickbait piece on the Ed really wanting VDS in the Mirror (or was it the Mail?) - anyone seen that reported by more reputable outlets?
Its in quite a few papers this morning look on newsnow a site that puts headlines on from all the papers
 

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Can we stop being negative for a while. Everything the club does is met with snidey remarks.

This things takes time, there's not many DOF around let alone a good one. The good one are working somewhere.

Just looking for a quick fix and appoint anyone they can find to oversee a rebuilt is equally catastrophic than having no dof.
That's because the club is run by snidey people. They've been deflecting fan discontent with the DOF talk for 2 years now! How long will you give them the benefit of the doubt?
 

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But it's took nearly 2 years...there's not that many DoF to choose from!

Anyhow, Edwin is a ceo at Ajax, I'd happily replace Ed for Edwin as ceo, not DoF.
Ceo is unique. Those that knows serie a probably wont be a good fit for english clubs and vice versa.

I'm not defending them, but most dof seems content at their respective clubs. Even if good one exists it doesnt guarantee they're willing to just pack the bag and leave everything good they've built, not to mention their family and personal life to move to another country.

Our fans seems to think all we need to do is point and click
 

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Michael Emenalo, the ex-Chelsea technical director is available. United could probably be financially able to poach Jon Rudkin, the technical director from Leicester City. If Woodward is serious about this appointment and not just using it as a dog whistle after every rough run of form, this would already be done.
 

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Michael Emenalo, the ex-Chelsea technical director is available. United could probably be financially able to poach Jon Rudkin, the technical director from Leicester City. If Woodward is serious about this appointment and not just using it as a dog whistle after every rough run of form, this would already be done.

That’s exactly what Ed is doing.

Remember when Jose was sacked, it was reported that we were going to appoint a Director of Football before a new head coach. Here we are 9 months later....

It’s clear as day that we ain’t going to appoint one. You’ve got more chance of winning the lottery than this happening.
 

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Should have been done as soon as Ole got the job.
Tbh the DoF should have been in place before Ole was appointed, if the club thought that we were handicapped in making football decisions when. Jose went it was not right to make another major one before addressing that handicap. To me Woodward used Ole's good start as an excuse to avoid major change.
 

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Fecking leeches the lot of them. Everytime we lose this story pops up to appease the fans. Such a badly run club we are. Our fall from grace was inevitable with these mongs incharge.
 

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Ceo is unique. Those that knows serie a probably wont be a good fit for english clubs and vice versa.

I'm not defending them, but most dof seems content at their respective clubs. Even if good one exists it doesnt guarantee they're willing to just pack the bag and leave everything good they've built, not to mention their family and personal life to move to another country.

Our fans seems to think all we need to do is point and click
No one saying it is easy, however, there are obviously people out there to do the jobs. Listening to other people, some of the big DoF across football have put there hat in the ring. But it seems more and more apparent that Ed and Glazer's are playing this as a PR machine.
 

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Its in quite a few papers this morning look on newsnow a site that puts headlines on from all the papers
Cheers. I was wondering from where it originated. Guess it's really a nothing story.

Reads like click bait, but even if the report is true — I don't know if Van der Sar can work under Woodward because there's a great deal of administrative overlap between their respective roles at Ajax and United (unless the former becomes the head of Manchester United's Football operations in Manchester and Woodward sticks to the business/company side in his London office). Plus, Edwin doesn't head their transfer operations with regard to scouting players or establishing a coherent assessment philosophy, which throws another spanner in the works because we need a genuine specialist in that department on the basis of our inconsistent transfer dealings in recent seasons...

Good point. It's quite unlikely that VDS would join for anything less than the authority he now enjoys at Ajax. And we all know it's unlikely Woodward will take any sort of a step down (making the whole DoF far fetched as a whole). In the unlikely event that he'd be actually coveted by United for a similar role with similar authority, he'd likely be the one to hire a director of player policy (equivalent). Hard to see any of this happening though.
 

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The problem here is that the DoF should have been hired 7 years ago to facilitate the transition from Fergie and develop the vision, planning, and strategies to move United forward.

For the major franchises in North America everyone has their list ready at all times because General Managers (equivalent of DoF) come and go all the time.

This lengthy delays speaks volumes about the gross mismanagement of United.

If you cannot get a DoF/Techincal Director in the fold in a few months or less it means the position is a poison pill because DoF GM positions are the most coveted positions in sports.

It suggests that no one wants to go to United because they will not have the autonomy needed to do the job to the best of their ability.
There's quite a lot of problems here, and daft interpretations.

Lets not pretend there weren't visions, plans and/or strategies to move United forward after Ferguson stepped down. The problem isn't developing visions, plans and strategies, any knobhead can do that. Why should we have hired a DOF in 2012, why not 2007 or even earlier, if it's so critical.

Liverpool's transfer committee and Michael Edwards during Rodgers reign was pretty much being used as an example on how not to run a football club, now it's the perfect solution.

Why ?

We're talking about the future of the club, if it's in the form of a director of football, a larger committee (ala Liverpool's transfer committee), you still need to work out a plan so that the person you're hiring and/or people in the committee fit what you want to achieve. How did Damien Comolli work out at Liverpool ? He was a DOF, DOF's are mint. Michael Edwards doesn't have a fancy name, isn't from Spain/Italy/Argentina/somewhere foreign, yet he's a key part of Liverpool's success.

People are acting as if there's clear cut answers to everything. Ferguson wanted full autonomy, Mourinho craves it to the point where he goes into self-destruct mode to prove a point if he's not given it. Ole doesn't, he's happy to accept that signing players needs to be a bigger discussion. Nicky Butt is being given a larger role within the club as we're looking to improve our chances of successfully bringing players from the reserves and into the first team. People just ignore it because it's Nicky Butt, if we'd hired Nicolas Butte from France to do the same, half the forum would *** over it.

The important thing isn't if we hire a DOF or not, but if we make the needed structural changes to how we operate, that goes in terms of the football we play on all levels, strategies on player development, player signings and identifying the right type of manager. If that structural change happens to be int he form of a DOF, so be it, if it's decided it should be a committee, so be it, but anyone believing that we haven't hired a DOF because nobody is interested in such a role needs to get their heads checked.
 

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I’ve said this many times but I’ll say it again....

Carlos Quieroz.

Knows the club, and was hugely successful here. So he’s a cultural fit. But critically he’s also hugely experienced, and understands how players fit into systems as he’s a superb tactical coach. He speaks multiple languages, has the right sort of profile, and is well respected across Europe and much of the world. He has, as expected, a vast network of players, coaches, chairmen, and agents. He’s a classy guy, and would be a sensational pick for the job IMO. I struggle to think of anyone better for the job. He’s even familiar with Solskjær as he coached him at United in the early to mid 2000s. He’s a strong personality too, as he was known to stand up to difficult players, or bad behaviour, including a bust up with Roy Keane which he won.
Currently coaching Colombia and doing quite well so far. Don't see him moving to a DOF role anytime soon.
 

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The only time someone like VdS comes in, once there is a new leadership team. Whilst Ed is there, at a minimum, no one worth their salt will come in. We can all see from a far the the problems at United, so no one will want to ruin their reputation by coming to us.