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Marc Cucurella - World Class Hairdo

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One of the best footballers of our generation.
 

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Some of the CAF clearly don't want to even give him a chance,not gonna judge his performance tonight as head could be elsewhere. Yes I have reservations because of his poor showings at Chelsea,however have belief that player at Brighton is still in there somewhere.
 

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Did alright, kept it ticking over, retained possession really well. I think "genuinely terrible" as described above is inaccurate at best.
I didn't watch the game but for a player that was supposedly terrible in the game, he rarely gave the ball away (95% pass completion), won most of his duels, made 4 key passes and created one big chance according to the stats below and he was among the three highest rated players in the Chelsea lineup.

https://www.sofascore.com/player/marc-cucurella/794939
 

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This will be looked back as one of those WTF deals we’ve done over the last few seasons.
Not really a WTF deal with Shaw out for months and his back up Tyrell Malacia also out injured. Somebody had to be brought in on short notice and not many around or available with Premier league experience
 

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Some of the CAF clearly don't want to even give him a chance,not gonna judge his performance tonight as head could be elsewhere. Yes I have reservations because of his poor showings at Chelsea,however have belief that player at Brighton is still in there somewhere.
Of course they don’t want to give him a chance. He pre-judged. Unless he is Roberto Carlos reincarnate, it doesn’t matter what he’ll do. He’s shit. It’s the same tag Mount got before he came. Actual performances won’t matter.

Quite honestly it became futile with engaging with 90% of the opinion and sentiment posted in the football forum about 5-6 years ago.
 

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Pass completion and "nothing possession" that keeps the ball on our side is a lot of what we need. We're very sloppy with unforced errors and lazy losses of the ball and it causes us to work harder collectively than we should have to too many times per game.

Given Rashford is ahead of him in any theoretical line-up, we don't need overly cavalier running on our left side, just someone who reads play well, times his offensive actions, and enables us to move better as a unit via higher ball retention and competence with pass execution.

Also, in an ideal world, the above qualities keep us high and hemmed into the oppo half and act as a form of defending by simple prevention, Spanish style. The more this team can hold onto the ball, the better as we're very nervy and uncertain in that department. And the more play can be built on our own terms, the better the build up and the actual chances will become.

"Brighton Cucurella" is obviously the desired player, but even if that guy isn't home anymore, being able to genuinely contribute to our ball retention would benefit us a great deal.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
Pure nonsense. You don't have to like a player but there's no need to blatantly lie.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
Chelsea paid 60m for him because he was crap at Brighton, right.........
 

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If it’s a loan with an option not an obligation to buy then I’m fine with it.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
He was their POTY

Funny how it’s only our players like Mount and possibly this chap who win awards at their respective clubs while being crap. Genius level insight from the caf as usual.
 

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He apparently impressed him greatly during Getafe v Ajax, in which Ajax were eliminated by Spanish giants.
oh gosh.. I was just joking, hoping this would be a more concerted assessment to bring him in
 

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Funny how views convenient change, go to his other thread and it's our fans calling him shit and Chelsea lot defending him. Suddenly we have the reverse now :lol:
Injuries are a funny thing
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
I watched pretty much every game he played at Brighton and this take is just completely wrong. I was expecting white text with this post.
 

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Pretty sure this has to do with Potter's tactics of not losing the ball from the flanks than Cucurella being incapable of passing.
To be fair I didn't know how Potter's tactics were like at Chelsea. But that's not trying not to lose the ball from the flanks, that was him being scared to do anything remotely risky.
 

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To be fair I didn't know how Potter's tactics were like at Chelsea. But that's not trying not to lose the ball from the flanks, that was him being scared to do anything remotely risky.
There was a point around the mid of last season when Chelsea lost 5 league games out of 7 and decided to go extremely tightly packed in the back and took no risks whatsoever. It wasn't just Cucurella, the whole team was passing the ball around like this. It also didn't help that some players had no idea who was in their team because they turned over players so much.
 

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Why do we want him? he's just Alex Telles with more hair.

As shit as he is, these kind of videos doesn't tell anything.

Also looks like he was shit at playing progressive passes last season at Chelsea but at Brighton he was 2nd or 3rd in their squad when it comes to progressive passes.

Just have to hope we don't get pay huge money for him as it's a risky move.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
Being wrong is an absolute.
But if there were degrees of being wrong you would be hilariously utterly categorically wrong.

Please do better, or other forums are available.
 

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This will be looked back as one of those WTF deals we’ve done over the last few seasons.
Reminds me of Falcao to Chelsea where all United fans who had seen him playing that season each week were laughing at Chelsea’s stupidity. Just that this time it is the inverse.
 

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Reminds me of Falcao to Chelsea where all United fans who had seen him playing that season each week were laughing at Chelsea’s stupidity. Just that this time it is the inverse.
It's a loan, to cover for injured players who will, presumably, recover. Why would anyone be laughing? We're adding to our squad with a player who was Brighton's Players' Player of the Season and Player of the Season just a year ago.
 

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Reminds me of Falcao to Chelsea where all United fans who had seen him playing that season each week were laughing at Chelsea’s stupidity. Just that this time it is the inverse.
Falcao was different, he had been out of the game for ages with a horrendous ACL injury and was never the same player again. Cucurella has spent a season struggling to find form in a disfunctional squad and at the time club after coming from a well organised, complimentary team. He could easily rediscover that form in the right place. Falcao was a much bigger gamble.

Also Falcao had cut his hair off, Cucu isn't risking that!
 

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Why would anyone be laughing?
Cause he is shit. I thought he was bad last season but Chelsea fans who have watched him more think that he is horrible.

It is a loan but we will still spend over 10m in him when we have almost no money to spend. Spending money in horrible players just cause they are loans does not make much sense, as we saw from another horrible loan last season when we were effectively playing with 10 men in position cause Woug was appalling.
 

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To be fair, which Chelsea player looked good last season?
Their whole season was an utter mess so I wouldn’t judge a player’s ability solely on last season at Chelsea
 

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Falcao was different, he had been out of the game for ages with a horrendous ACL injury and was never the same player again. Cucurella has spent a season struggling to find form in a disfunctional squad and at the time club after coming from a well organised, complimentary team. He could easily rediscover that form in the right place. Falcao was a much bigger gamble.

Also Falcao had cut his hair off, Cucu isn't risking that!
We have this ability if getting very good players and making them look terrible. Now imagine when we sign terrible players, how will they look?

Let’s be fair with ourselves here. United neither has the scouts, nor the coaches to identify these hidden gems who have something on them, but look bad cause of some specific circumstances. We are also not an organized, or well-coached team like Brighton.

He will look for us exactly how he looked for Chelsea, a terrible player. But then ten Hag advocates will continue saying ‘but it is just a loan’. Loans are supposed to improve teams, not make them worse (which is what Woug did for us last season and what Cucurella will do this season).
 

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We have this ability if getting very good players and making them look terrible. Now imagine when we sign terrible players, how will they look?

Let’s be fair with ourselves here. United neither has the scouts, nor the coaches to identify these hidden gems who have something on them, but look bad cause of some specific circumstances. We are also not an organized, or well-coached team like Brighton.

He will look for us exactly how he looked for Chelsea, a terrible player. But then ten Hag advocates will continue saying ‘but it is just a loan’. Loans are supposed to improve teams, not make them worse (which is what Woug did for us last season and what Cucurella will do this season).
How, the feck, did Weghorst make us look worse? I notice you didn’t include Sabitzer there but I must just be a Ten Hag advocate.
Edit id also argue loans aren’t meant to improve you at this level but add depth to your squad. That’s all this is, addressing an injury crisis. We aren’t building our team around fecking loan signings
 

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How, the feck, did Weghorst make us look worse? I notice you didn’t include Sabitzer there but I must just be a Ten Hag advocate
He made us worse by being useless and playing the equivalent of 20 games while scoring once or twice. He made us worse by us effectively playing with 10 men in attack. He made us worse cause to accommodate him as 10, ten Hag was playing both Rashford (as 9) and Bruno (as 11) in their non favorite position.

Sabitzer was relatively unimportant. He didn’t do anything of note except in a game and we could have kept Donny to do nothing.
 
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He made us worse by being useless and playing the equivalent of 20 games while scoring once or twice. He made us worse by us effectively playing with 10 men in attack. He made us worse cause to accommodate him as 10, ten Hag was playing both Rashford (as 9) and Bruno (as 11).

Sabitzer was relatively unimportant. He didn’t do anything of note except in a game and we could have kept Donny to do nothing.
Of course Weghurst made us worse. As one commentator said, a centre forward without a goal threat is nothing. We tried to play long to him and yet he couldnt win headers or even hold the ball up. Probably one of our top 3 worst signings ever.
 

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Why do we want him? he's just Alex Telles with more hair.

Pwoah! that should get the pass completion stats up! which will no doubt please the Cafe-tards as they love to slag off the current team for losing possession.
 

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He was crap at Brighton, too. People justifying this transfer by referencing his time there probably didn't watch him.

Brighton have had many fantastic talents in recent years that warranted going to a top club. Cucurella wasn't one of them.
 

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He made us worse by being useless and playing the equivalent of 20 games while scoring once or twice. He made us worse by us effectively playing with 10 men in attack. He made us worse cause to accommodate him as 10, ten Hag was playing both Rashford (as 9) and Bruno (as 11).

Sabitzer was relatively unimportant. He didn’t do anything of note except in a game and we could have kept Donny to do nothing.
So you’re saying we were better with Ronaldo up top?
Sabitzer covered for Eriksen and made a good job of it. You’re overrating the expected impact of loan signings for some absurd reason.
We did keep VDB. He injured his knee in January and was out for many months hence another reason why Sabitzer was an important stopgap
 

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So you’re saying we were better with Ronaldo up top?
Sabitzer covered for Eriksen and made a good job of it. You’re overrating the expected impact of loan signings for some absurd reason.
We did keep VDB. He injured his knee in January and was out for many months hence another reason why Sabitzer was an important stopgap
Absolutely. We would have been better with pretty much anyone else up top. Weghorst is comfortably the worst regular player I have ever seen play for United.

Just for context, Bebe who is a meme, scored as many goals as him while playing 7 matches instead of 31.