They can not care all they want, but judging the transfer as failure before it even happened, based on one bad season where whole team was toxic and terrible while he had several great seasons before that is not justified, it is beyond stupid.
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We are signing a player who most on here would have said has been one of the worst in his position in the league for the last year. Not being particularly happy about that is not stupid in the slightest.
Most on here wanted / still want to sell Rashford and (weirdly) Bruno
It is not stupid if people have goldfish memory, yes. But again, not surprising, Caftards do operate like that in general.
Some also debating whether its time to sack ten Hag...
Not just assuming that he is going to magically recover his form when he's been poor for a full year is again pretty logical.
You sure about that?
That is the thing, you don't have to assume he will magically recover his form, but there is also nothing magical about it, it can happen, there are countless examples of it. On the other hand, people don't have to assume the worst possible income, you see? Nothing logical about being a negative Andy moaning through every fecking possible transfer target out there. It is called being a miserable git.
He apparently impressed him greatly during Getafe v Ajax, in which Ajax were eliminated by Spanish giants.Just waiting for a picture of him having worked with EtH previously
It seems that you've completely ignored that Chelsea were a complete train wreck last season playing under 3 different managers. A lot of players in that squad had one bad year.
Nah, it is all black and white you see, once player has one bad season, it is over, he might as well finish his career judging by Caf logic, never mind he was great for years before that. We don't do contexts here.
They've been taken over by a well respected manager though, who's had time to assess him, and has decided that he doesn't want to keep him despite his first choice left back being injury prone.
Cafe Logic: Sack ten Hag because there's no sign of a system; Mount and Hojlund are failures; Sell Rashford, Bruno and Casemiro to the Saudis; One bad season you're done etc etc. At least we can say there's some good comedy on here.Nah, it is all black and white you see, once player has one bad season, it is over, he might as well finish his career judging by Caf logic, never mind he was great for years before that. We don't do contexts here.
Which also doesn't need to mean anything, we are talking about Pochetino here. Much better managers have had bad player assessment before.
Moaning about every possible signing is silly. Moaning about signing a player who has been one of the worst in his position for the last year is logical.
Over time many players who have been deemed surplus by well respected managers have thrived elsewhere. So why are some writing off Cucurella already?
Once we got him, its the second player from the same club that come us. Has it ever happened before? Not counting Rafael&Fabio. Don't mind getting him althought I personally would prefer to see Alvaro got more chances. But I understand that ETH need some proper LB to cover for Shaw absence, though as many said his performance for Chelsea last season was trash. He might come good, or continue to be trash over here too.
He's not at all a great player and even if he was there is little chance of him showing it in ten Hag's current ridiculous midfield set up.
The two bolded quotes. Potter might have been his manager at Brighton but that was the only piece of continuity, he had different team mates and Potter utilized a different system at Chelsea to reflect the players he had available. Potter being in the dugout was no guarantee that he would instantly find the same form he had at Brighton and like it or not things turned bad quickly for Chelsea last season and he slumped with the rest of the team. I think the fact Potter was there for a chunk of the season is very much overstated, especially when you hear how little control he had over the squad or how little respect he was given by the players.
You don't name names but if you are referring to Mount as a meme then you need to give your head a wobble.
It comes down to the chance you put on him returning to his Brighton form. I'm going to assume you see it as very likely (80%+) but that's not the only valid view here, especially given it's a loan and he's not got much time to learn the system.Nah, it is all black and white you see, once player has one bad season, it is over, he might as well finish his career judging by Caf logic, never mind he was great for years before that. We don't do contexts here.
A full season is a long time to be shit and when it happens to be moving to a big club that's the trigger it's obviously cause for concern.
Nah, I see it more as 50% chance, of course I have doubts, anyone would, but there is difference between having doubts but hoping for the best and just giving up on the player in advance. I am just tired of moaners.
Also, this is a loan, it is as risk free as it can be, worth a shot.
Not a fan, but we desperately need a LB who can play the ball out from the back. This is just based off our 1st 2 games of the season, but it's clear that Shaw had a very important role that Ten Hag obviously doesn't trust Doze-alot or even Malacia to do.
Cucurella fits this profile to a T.
Cucurella fits this profile to a T.
If you can’t see Ten Hag’s system, maybe yous should watch some match analysis vids? There are many out there, easy to google, and it will help you along to understand more of the games.
Basic points:
- Defensive 4-4-1-1, attacking 3-1-6/3-2-5
- Defensive: Emphasis on high pressure with fast transition to attack
- Defensive plan B: 4-5-1 with out balls to striker and wingers for transition
- Attacking: Continuous off-the-ball movement to open spaces
- Full backs high up (or inverted play making FB with 8/10s pushing up) to create overloads and passing options
- positional play with positional rotation between players
- switch between maximal and minimal width to both stretch opponents and preserve shourt routes to goal
- more direct attacking style with 1-v1 on wings or balls behind back four
These are some markers of Ten Hag’s systems. We are on our way with most of them, some of them still requires more time and different personnel.
You keep saying signing, like we've spent 30m on him, he's an emergency loan that is going to cost 3m quid, who gives a flying feck?
Last season Antony and Martinez both came from Ajax. Need to go a long way back to find another example.
You my friend have a lot of patience. It's pretty obvious EtH has a defined system he's been trying to implement this season. Denying that is simply looking for another reason to moan.
In fact, isn't everyone's gripe the fact that the system isn't working at this point in time? They're not wrong by the way, it's far from seamless just now, it's a new system the players are obviously getting used to, whether it works out in future or not though, time will tell.
But there's a definite system, as there was one last season, and there are definitely patterns of play we're trying to implement.
£3M is actually a good deal for United. For Chelsea, I guess the hope is he plays well this season and we can then sell him for a reasonable fee next summer.
Calling a signing a signing makes literally no reference to the fee.
I would imagine those who think he's rubbish give a flying feck about the idea that he will be playing for us.
Hold up, is that some real meaningful analysis instead of the nonsense and ridiculous conjecture I’m reading from others!? Get ready for the shift in argument to “why hasn’t it been working already!?”
What do we play like?
Are we like a Pep team? No.
Are we like a Klopp team? No.
Are we like an Ancelotti team? No.
Are we like a Mourinho team? No.
Are we like a Van Gaal team? No.
Are we like ETH's Ajax? No.
The only thing I can say is we're a bit of everything and master of none.
Anyway this is the wrong thread to discuss the team.
Go and read @Grande short analysis, its bang on. Cucurella would be a great fit in ten Hag’s system.
Grandes analysis reads like a Klopp team. It's fine to want to be like a Klopp team, but it's not what we actually are at this current reality. The current reality is that we need players who can play in this high pressing system, it's true, but if it collapses ( which happens more often than not) then we need these players who are strong enough to play well despite the collapse. I don't see the latter quality in Cucurrella. That adaptability.
Cucurrella might be good for Liverpool. Maybe. Their system is set in stone and it works.
No, not really. But pat yourself on the back if you want.
Well, very soon, you are about to hear: i told you so
Starting for Chelsea tonight.
Surprising, the deal ist not really close then.
Ffs he's in the starting xi. Probably going to get injured and we have to keep him.
Two measured replies in one day! I’ll try less of the arrogant one-liners from now on, I swear.
I agree with you both, there are certainly elements that doesn’t work yet. We’ve seen this with Solskjær as well, actually, his attempt at changing style of of play from one season to the next too fast came crashing down IMO due to a combo of him being too little expert on the new style, wrong personnel for the job and Ronaldo The Trojan Achilles.
Most of us remember Ten Hag last year going optimistically ahead in pre season, with us securing vital cogs like Casemiro, Eriksen and Martinez, only to adjust heavily upon seeing the extent of what he had to deal with during the league start. Judging by his Ajax days, I’d say he took a measured half step towards his preferred game last season. This year is a further half step. Glazers/FFP is a clear hindrance, as well as the fact that the Solskjær/Rangnik crash landing and the enormous media focus on our troubles makes most of our players unsellable for any real money. So I expect we need one more summer to have something Ten Hag would really see fit to execute his ideas regularily at the very highest level, if I’m guessing a bit.
Guarantee if we weren’t negotiating for him be wouldn’t be playing