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This club will never give up on Rashy, the fact that he's a youth product and his off the pitch work, he's almost guaranteed a contract no matter how he plays.He really has become a shadow of the player he was. At 24 I think he should be on his last chance really for us. He could still have a good career somewhere but we should definitely not be rewarding him with a big contract unless he completely turns things around. We can’t afford to carry him. Maybe ETH/our next manager can bring his best out but do we want to risk it?
Kinda reminds me of an old thread.This. Ole may have pandered to him. However, why is RR not doing anything to cut that out. Give Elanga a chance regularly and bench Rashford if he doesn't sort out his laziness. No top manager would ever accept the lack of efforts in defensive duties as Ole and now RR is doing. Fergie too only ever allowed this kind of freedom to a genuine GOAT like Ronaldo.
Really feel Rashford has grown too big for his boots and needs to be pegged down a level or two for his own good. If he doesn't get the hint, ship him off.
Yep, I've never seen a player who's had so many excuses conjured up for him to absolve him of his shite performances. First it was the injuries, then it was the Euros disappointment and backlash. then it was the breakup with his missus, eventually we'll be claiming he feels chronically anxious over Russia's impending invasion of Ukraine. Turns out he's just been a bang average player we've overhyped to the moon.There's no point hoping there'll be any real or significant improvement in Rashford's performances.
Sure, he's got the capability to bang in a few goals here and there, but overall he's been a drag on the team for a couple of seasons.
I don't think the lack of effort in working for the team and the complete lack of defensive endeavour, is entirely down to laziness or any cockiness; I just don't think he has a a clue.
He has reached the point.he is reaching the point we should consider cashing in
Agreed. We've seen a lot of good dribbling from him in the past. He's been mostly shit for a year and a half, but that doesn't take away from the good performances that he's given us. He might never get back to the level he was at. That would be really sad, but people shouldn't try and say he's always been like this.He hasn't though. When he came through he had everything, he's been developed into what he is today.
Even when he first came into the team his movement in the box was class and he scored quite a few headers, he doesn't seem to have that at all anymoreAgreed. We've seen a lot of good dribbling from him in the past. He's been mostly shit for a year and a half, but that doesn't take away from the good performances that he's given us. He might never get back to the level he was at. That would be really sad, but people shouldn't try and say he's always been like this.
Imagine if it was Pogba or Martial doing that.Tweet
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Yeh. Rooney was like 40 y.o. Riquelme before United entertained of letting him go. That marketing (and asset) value is important.This club will never give up on Rashy, the fact that he's a youth product and his off the pitch work, he's almost guaranteed a contract no matter how he plays.
Unless Rashford decides to leave, we won't even entertain the idea. I'm not saying I feel Rashford should be sold but our decision makers are so sentimental that even if he needed to be sold they wouldn't want to.
He doesn't play smart so he can't afford not to play hard. When Pogba puts in more effort than you you're a full on defensive liability. The most disgusting thing about Rashford right now is he'll give the ball away cheaply and despite being the closest do nothing to press. All he wants to do is hang up top waiting to be released. That clip is in a nutshell why it's such a dumb way of thinking. You're not getting released if the other team scores so prioritize winning the ball back when it's close. We have so many players who expect to be catered to. Attackers especially are generally lacking in selflessness.Tweet
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Probably as a result of shite coaching. We seem to have developed a knack of coaching desirable traits out of our players.Even when he first came into the team his movement in the box was class and he scored quite a few headers, he doesn't seem to have that at all anymore
Honestly I think it’s a player who believes he’s better than he is. Yes he has a good PR team and he’s done some socially admirable things. But that has never meant he’s guaranteed to be immune from the typical trajectory of many players who are treated as sensations at an early age at a big club.The thing that annoys me about him is that he used to work his socks off under Jose. What happened, he's only 24
Not quite.He's unbelievably lazy. His running stats must be lower than Ronaldo's at this point, and he doesn't even have the excuse of being 37 years old.
I also theorized something similar earlier but it also doesn't make it better because it's not like he's told to avoid the ball when it enters his zone. That's not even pressing, it's fundamental effort or teams would never win the ball high. With Ronaldo being immobile it makes no sense to give the wide men lesser duties. I dont think Rashford has been told to do so, I think he's the one making the decision to do so.Im not ruling out the idea that hes told to wait on the oppositions backline to help a counter. I think this confuses him on when he should sprint back and help the team and when he should stay up
I’ve noticed him seem to make more of an effort to press under Ralf. Although it’s actually annoying to watch because it highlights how he could have made more of a defensive effort under Ole, yet chose not to, for some strange reason. There’s been a weird culture at this club the last few years where Martial, Rashford and (to a lesser extent) Greenwood have simply not been arsed to help out when we lose the ball without ever getting called out for it, by team mates or managers. Signing a new striker who presses less than anyone in Europe is obviously not ideal in fixing this rotten attitude.Not quite.
His pressing rate is in the average range. He's actually improved massively since last season where he basically did none.
https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/11160/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report
Ronaldo, on the other hand, is the worst presser in the league among attackers.
https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/scout/11160/Cristiano-Ronaldo-Scouting-Report
A bad moment from him in that game though.
It's Ole's fault. They were not coached to play that way.I’ve noticed him seem to make more of an effort to press under Ralf. Although it’s actually annoying to watch because it highlights how he could have made more of a defensive effort under Ole, yet chose not to, for some strange reason. There’s been a weird culture at this club the last few years where Martial, Rashford and (to a lesser extent) Greenwood have simply not been arsed to help out when we lose the ball without ever getting called out for it, by team mates or managers. Signing a new striker who presses less than anyone in Europe is obviously not ideal in fixing this rotten attitude.
Looks that way. And even if the manager wants them to press and they’re not following those insurance that’s still on the manager.It's Ole's fault. They were not coached to play that way.
Signing Ronaldo was a distinct lack of vision which has been typical of the club since SAF retired.
I think its down to a lack of coaching. Ole has no idea how to train press triggers and Jose wasnt a huge advocate of pressing high. He preferred to keep it compact and narrow in the middle.I’ve noticed him seem to make more of an effort to press under Ralf. Although it’s actually annoying to watch because it highlights how he could have made more of a defensive effort under Ole, yet chose not to, for some strange reason. There’s been a weird culture at this club the last few years where Martial, Rashford and (to a lesser extent) Greenwood have simply not been arsed to help out when we lose the ball without ever getting called out for it, by team mates or managers. Signing a new striker who presses less than anyone in Europe is obviously not ideal in fixing this rotten attitude.
I don't think either of those players would get criticism in that situation, you cant ask players to press and counter press and then moan at them when they stay high and when the ball by passes them into midifeld, and the moan when they don't sprint 30-40 yards back to close a player down who isn't posing a threat. There is plenty of players back to deal with that situation they just don't deal with it at all.This clip, haha. If it was Martial, or Pogba, or just about anyone else, they'd be getting torn to shreds. But because it's Rashford it's all swept under the carpet. "One of our own"; "He loves the club" etc. The excuses made for him are endless. If I were another player in the same team, I'd be pretty pissed off at the special treatment he gets, while everyone else gets it.
I think a lot of people confound criticizing his performances with attacks on him personally and his off-field activities. And they are afraid to do that. That isn't it, though. Ultimately this is a football club and he has settled in to be an average footballer who simply doesn't make the cut and needs to be released.
Looks like he's believing his own hype now for a while. Happens all the time at the club these days.The thing that annoys me about him is that he used to work his socks off under Jose. What happened, he's only 24
