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But we should have known that that's the only way a release clause is activated.Its more likely to be that we had to pay the full fee up front. Nobody wants to do that anymore.
But we should have known that that's the only way a release clause is activated.Its more likely to be that we had to pay the full fee up front. Nobody wants to do that anymore.
Wouldn't go as far as saying Fábregas or bust; a definite improvement on Cleverley would have done it for me. Fellaini, however, isn't that player: he's different to Cleverley, better at some things, worse at others. He will not improve our team's quality, he's merely an extra body who can be a slightly better deputy for Carrick than Jones. But at 27.5m he can't really be a squad player.My attitude was if we're going to kick Cleverley out of the first team it should be for someone truly world class, much like Van Persie's quality was what justified demoting Danny. Fabregas or bust, in other words. Considering the stick Moyes is getting for signing just the one CM, it stands to reason that he simply couldn't take that attitude because of our moaning gobshite fanbase.
Yeah there is, my point was that with Fabregas we'd be far less reliant on that happening. Rooney, Kagawa and Nani are our most creative footballers and there have been question marks over all three this summer. Hopefully things improve with them now.I think with Fellaini and Carrick as a platform we can do what we want with the front 4. And we have enough creativity in the squad in my opinion, just unlocking it is now Moyes' job.
That three than midfield would have taken away one of Uniteds best aspects though, two potentially world class number 10's in Kagawa/Rooney.I do too, I don't really blame the club for Fabregas, except making it so public was a bit silly is all. I'd have been a lot more confident about using a player like Fellaini in midfield if we had someone as absurdly creative as Fabregas in there too, and a three man midfield with them and Carrick would've been great in the big games. It's a shame it was never possible. I'm not sure Carrick and Fellaini alone is going to solve creativity issues, that's why we need Kagawa & Rooney more involved and/or our wingers to get back to form now.
I'd have preferred Carrick & Fabregas with Fellaini as a squad player who we use when we rest them and want a midfield three. That's why I said "big games" with the midfield three thing, not always. We've sacrificed key players to accommodate three man midfields in big games before, it's not a big deal, almost a necessity really.That three than midfield would have taken away one of Uniteds best aspects though, two potentially world class number 10's in Kagawa/Rooney.
I don't think we would have ever really moved to a 4-3-3 like that given the players we have. Fellaini coming in is exactly what we needed, more than a creative midfielder we needed some solidity in the midfield. Ideally it would have been someone like Vidal but Fellaini isn't a bad option.
Carrick and Fellaini together will give an excellent platform for the four attackers to play from. We just need virtually every one of them to sort their shit out and get back to close to their best
I think we were always after both and have stated all summer that Fellaini was a separate target from the likes of Fabregas & Herrera. Jonathan Northcroft had a interview early on in the summer with Moyes who stated he wanted a DM and a CM who can create but also add goals to the team - Fellaini was always the DM he wanted.Personally, I think we would have gotten both if it was possible, but one of them might have been the sum total either. Although they are different, the squad could be used to accommodate either to good effect? Anything is possible.
That's a fair point man, but I have a feelin Moyesy didn't want to go back & raid Everton because its kind of a cliché for a manager to raid the best players of their previous club - comfort purchases type of thing, but he brought half of Everton with him anyway..Moyes also must have had some doubts seeing as the signing was clearly a panic one at the last minute. Moyes was wary of paying £24 million for him weeks ago and in the end buckled as buying no one would have been worse.
Walcott would improve the team. Doesn't mean I particularly want him here.
It would be counter-attacking suicide. Carrick and Cleverley have completed 5 tackles between them (MC 2, TC 3) in their three games so far this season. Fellaini has already made 18 tackles and won 16 aerial duels.I'd have preferred Carrick & Fabregas with Fellaini as a squad player who we use when we rest them and want a midfield three. That's why I said "big games" with the midfield three thing, not always. We've sacrificed key players to accommodate three man midfields in big games before, it's not a big deal, almost a necessity really.
Still, all hindsight really, not worth focusing on now.
Carrick has made 6 to be fair, but I completely agree with you that Fellaini was the type we needed.It would be counter-attacking suicide. Carrick and Cleverley have completed 5 tackles between them (MC 2, TC 3) in their three games so far this season. Fellaini has already made 18 tackles and won 16 aerial duels.
Statistically the cat is out of the bag that Michael Carrick only tackles when he thinks he needs to. That can be very dangerous.
Sorry, should have said according to Whoscored. More weight to the fact that their shit is slipping a bit. Further to the point the obvious thing to play into Carricks strong point is to move ball players toward a crunch pass past Carrick. A huge % of those will be intercepts. For me, all the defending should be doing by Carrick is literally standing between key passes while someone is closing the ball carrier.Carrick has made 6 to be fair, but I completely agree with you that Fellaini was the type we needed.
It was whoscored manSorry, should have said according to Whoscored. More weight to the fact that their shit is slipping a bit.
He gets easily beaten by smaller players and is one of the most easily dispossessed players of the ball in the Everton team. He really needs to work on that part of his game.I agree. He's PL proven, Moyes knows all his qualities from their time at Everton, he's a goal threat and is perfectly capable in both attack and defence. I don't think we will be as overrun as much in midfield now. I think he will give us that steel.
Furthermore, Fellaini was dispossessed on an average of 2.4 times per game, compared with Carrick (0.8), Toure (1.2), Dembele (1.3), and Gerrard (0.8). When it came to passing, Fellaini had a success rate of 79.3 %, with Carrick (88.1), Toure (88.9), Dembele (90.9) and Gerrard (85.5) all bettering the Belgian by quite some distance.
We never disclose fees so it's hard to know for certain, seems 27.5 is the accepted fee going around though.What is the official sold price? Transfermarket has it as £28,512,000? Has it been confirmed as 27.5m by the club?
Everton's statement said 27.5m.What is the official sold price? Transfermarket has it as £28,512,000? Has it been confirmed as 27.5m by the club?
He's not the kind of player which allows you to have any sort of control over a game. I think Carrick will find it frustrating to play alongside him.He gets easily beaten by smaller players and is one of the most easily dispossessed players of the ball in the Everton team. He really needs to work on that part of his game.
He's far more solid than Cleverley, why would he get exposed?Is our first choice midfield now Carrick and Fellaini? That doesn't look particularly well balanced to me. Fellaini will be exposed unless one of the attackers or wide players drops in to help out.
As ever, the real details are how it is broken down by installments, how much up front. The buying and selling clubs will always put the best spin on things of course.We never disclose fees so it's hard to know for certain, seems 27.5 is the accepted fee going around though.
Yes, we'll be even worse off against teams who press high up the pitch and hassle us aggressively. That's a big concern.He gets easily beaten by smaller players and is one of the most easily dispossessed players of the ball in the Everton team. He really needs to work on that part of his game.
I've been saying for years that we need to sign a back-up/long term replacement for Carrick (Martinez was the dream). It seems obvious that Moyes sees Fellaini as that player. Can't pretend I'm thrilled with it, but I suppose it could be a lot worse. The defense couldn't be more fine, and Welbeck will eventually succeed Van Persie as our number 9. We have a small army of hugely talented under 25s, and will only need a couple of big signings down the line to replace the quality we'll lose from our over-30s.This means the midfield still isn't sorted; next summer Carrick, Vidic, Evra and Ferdinand will all be a year older, Van Persie will be 31 as well... the core of the squad is aging and it will be hard to properly replace them. Well, maybe with the exception of the CBs, if Smalling, Evans and Jones all fulfil their potential.
IdiotIs it too late to give the documents in unsigned or claim a fake representative did the deal?
This is is like arguing with a girlfriend, I never said anything of the sort.
I think as a forum we could be less hysterical about stuff we are not really that well informed on, but as your post here shows, hysteria is the way for now.
Those stats are from last season aren't they? If so he played as a number 10 so its pointless comparing him to Carrick et al. No shit he got dispossessed more.He gets easily beaten by smaller players and is one of the most easily dispossessed players of the ball in the Everton team. He really needs to work on that part of his game.
Preach!I think as a forum we could be less hysterical about stuff we are not really that well informed on, but as your post here shows, hysteria is the way for now.
Well, Fellaini was never a CM in the first place, so...He gets easily beaten by smaller players and is one of the most easily dispossessed players of the ball in the Everton team. He really needs to work on that part of his game.
I wasn't being hysterical, I was making a sarcastic and OTT post to prove my point, why can nobody see this?Preach!
He'll get exposed because he struggles to pass the ball.He's far more solid than Cleverley, why would he get exposed?
Attackers dropping back wont happen, your way off there. The main thing he will bring next to Carrick is a soild platform for the 4 attackers to play off
Everton's statement said 27.5m.