Imagine crying about others wanting to give a young talent a chance to shine.
But that’s the thing, I think they are both getting plenty of chances to shine. Similar to Asensio at Madrid or Coman at Bayern, but they are young and inconsistent.
The same can be said the other way around. With Mourinho it's always the player's fault after the team has a bad performance. Maybe there is more to it than that? I don't see any other top managers constantly get away with putting the blame on their players.
I'm convinced you have over simplified it. He is a young player. Inconsistency is a given. We are plain luck his first season was so good. Remember Sterling's debut year at Liverpool? The same has happened to him. Yet people were quick to write him off after two ify seasons. But look at him now? Martial honestly is developing as he should. Gradually and incrementally and the statistics for his all round game prove it. But for some reason fans and the press are too impatient to see him mature. And his keeping his emotions off his face mistakenly gives the impression that he doesn't care or has attitude or entitlement issues. But if you really think about, has any of the back room staff, come out this season to state Martial doesn't give his all behind the scenes and in training. Or that he is sulking? In fact the opposite is true. They only say good things about him. People really ought to be more patient with young players. Very few can be consistently good at the get go the way Messi, Rooney, Iniesta or Fabregas were as young guns.
Bang on again Chief. Right now Sanchez and Lukaku will offer much more over the course of a season, it’s shame people can’t just be patient with such young players and a shame if the reports about Martial are true. Both players with have to fight tooth and nail to get a starting place at any top club, it’s the nature of the beast.
I don’t think the issue is that the staff or fans want him sold, the issue is that he’s the one threatening to leave. You’re saying he should be given time, that’s fine, but he’s the one who thinks he deserves to start every week and he’s the one who’s the most impatient of all.
Football is like that. Not much we can do about it. Some players just don't fit somewhere but click elsewhere. Martial had a poor last season and he has not exactly set the league on fire this season. There is something not right and none of us can boldly assert that we know. Maybe it's the manager, maybe it's the kid, maybe it's something else. But whatever it is, Martial is just not hitting the heights with us.
You have a valid point here.
Is this like when commentators say Newcastle are a big club?
No it's because the Martial fan club will defend him regards of his horrendous displays. Pogba gets slated pretty much every game from almost everyone.
He's never looked like Ronaldo?! Unless you mean when he first arrived.
Completely agree with this point. I don't think it is just Martial though. There is Pogba too, there is a lot of Rashford noise through the media and even Fellaini is threatening to leave. This is my biggest disappointment with the current United set up.
No Sir, I saw the game and I agree that Martial was abysmal. But still in my opinion he was better than many of our other players on the pitch because some of them were just horrendous and not even trying and failing just failing. I don't really care about individual performances if the whole team is playing like dog sh't and there is no visible game plan and cohesion through out the team. Which has sadly been the case for many of the games this year, even though we have managed to win.
It's not so much a question of whether he cares though, it's that he plays like he doesn't. If you think of every great winger they were busy all game. They'd be looking for the ball to feet then next minute making runs in behind. Wingers don't walk around the pitch, especially when the ball is in their area of the pitch. I honestly think he looks lost at times when it is crowded around him. Maybe he does care, but when he doesn't try to engineer situations for himself and walks around instead, it looks like he isn't interested.
I know our history and the process many young players went through to become great players. I was in the stands encouraging a young Ronaldo whilst people around me were giving him abuse for being greedy or a "one trick pony". I knew this was just part of his development.
Very true. I think if you forget performances this year, the question has to be asked if the performance levels have been very average due to many over rating our players individually or over rating the manager?
This is not an insult. Not everyone has the capacity to fully understand.
It's a shame you can't contribute something meaningful to this thread. We're still waiting for you to explain who will replace Mourinho and what the clubs strategy will be moving forward. You seem to be basing your entire strategy around the club on keeping Martial happy and still, at no point, have you even bothered to explain why you think Martial is the answer to all the questions.
I have been supporting United before your parents ever thought about having you. I don't chase glory teams, that's what you seem to be doing. I don't have to answer shite. You're the one who responded to my post. I don't get paid to do make the decisions of the football club. Martial is not the only player looking to get out, there will be other players.
You're right, don't have to answer but I suspect that's because you don't have many answers and your reactions are 'knee-jerk' to a player apparently wanting to leave whom you believe to be potentially world-class. I, on the other hand, don't think he'll make it at United due to his attitude but whatever, each to his own.
I think we can add Ronaldo to that list too. We were never the same again after he left.
Difference is, Stam was pushed out and would've gladly stayed, Ronaldo spent 08-09 with his body in Manchester but his mind in Madrid. He was never going to stay but that's another discussion entirely.
Might as well throw Pogba on there as well, since they actually acted on that regret by spending a world record fee at the time. Now whether the regret was justified or not is another matter for some.
Didn't Rooney have his best season ever after Ronaldo left? I remember us being called a one man team (crazily) because of Ronnie, then being called it again because of Rooney afterwards.
Think that was the season he scored a ton of header goals
Yes it was a good season for Rooney but I think it is fair to say we were never close again to be the machine we were with Ronaldo in our ranks. What's interesting about Martial is that, like Ronaldo, he has not set the world alight in his first three seasons here and his first season was actually the best for him by some distance.
The problem is that Martial is nowhere near the player of any of the 4 players you have mentioned
We have enough injury prone players at the club without adding another to the physios list.
