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Haha as is MartialCareful, Nani is a protected species on here.
Haha as is MartialCareful, Nani is a protected species on here.
It really is. I don't mean that I would not have him. Messi is the best player in the World but as I said Klopp wants players who will fulfill specific roles in his formation. Firmino is crucial to that formation. So which one of the front 3 would get dropped? I think Salah would be most likely.
It is the same with Martial, you know what you are getting with him. He will not run non stop for 90 mins like other strikers, but he is capable of moments of brilliance. What we have to do is either ensure that our formation caters to his style of playing or else find another number 9 who is capable of playing according to the formation and system that we want to play. No point in trying to fit round pegs in square holes and vice versa.
Yeah but Bruno is much better than Martial so of course he's a key player going forward. I'm talking about the present and the future, not living in the past with your (incorrect) stats.So clearly you judge things on what you the last game?
Bruno is not a key player, he has played 2 games
Martial has scored 13 league goals this season btw.
So a player that has done nothing is a key player because you are talking about the future?Yeah but Bruno is much better than Martial so of course he's a key player going forward. I'm talking about the present and the future, not living in the past with your (incorrect) stats.
Martial won't be here because he's inconsistent and shite. We haven't been able to rely on him for the last 5 years so what the hell is going to change?
Crazy statements aren't they? Messi sleep walks into any team on the planet regardless of system/personnel or tactics.Mate Messi can be a fecking hexagon nevermind a round or square peg . He plays ahead of any of Liverpool's front 3 . I think you just used possibly the worst example of proving a point by using Messi .
I get your point but Messi fits into any team in the world
...and if Bruno gets injured we're back with playing Lingard and Pereira, because half of the forum wants Pogba gone without even remote news of signing someone as good as him.Bruno is already an upgrade imo.
Sorry I found this statement funny. Half the forum didn't want Haaland means the other half wanted Haaland. So the half that always wanted Haaland screams to sign him? Sounds about right!Half of the forum didin't want Haland, then Rashford gets injured and half of the forum suddenly screams to sign striker in last days of a window.
Indeed, no logical error at all.Sorry I found this statement funny. Half the forum didn't want Haaland means the other half wanted Haaland. So the half that always wanted Haaland screams to sign him? Sounds about right!
Of course people who wanted Haaland had a point. I was one of them and I I am not even fully on board the Haaland hype train yet. We sold Lukaku and a much more suitable replacement would've cost us lesser than the fee we received from the sale. This is a pattern as you've suggested. We saw it with Fellaini and Herrera not being properly replaced.Indeed, no logical error at all.
People who wanted Haland had their point. I just hope we won't be in same situation in midfield after selling Pogba and I think we already witnessed something similar when we let go of Herrera and midfield's depth suddenly got reduced
to the point, we were often conquered by mid-table teams.
Totally forgot about Lukaku, after he vanished what we got is all pressure on Greenwood kid and Ighalo who's strongest club he played for was probably Udinese. This club is sometimes really slow in the market and if we ever want to return to Champions League and playing there year after year Ed, Ole and Glazers of all really need start being serious.Of course people who wanted Haaland had a point. I was one of them and I I am not even fully on board the Haaland hype train yet. We sold Lukaku and a much more suitable replacement would've cost us lesser than the fee we received from the sale. This is a pattern as you've suggested. We saw it with Fellaini and Herrera not being properly replaced.
We take half a step forward a two steps backwards.
What pressure has Greenwood got? I dont see the manager, the fans or anyone putting any pressure on him whatsoever?pressure on Greenwood kid and Ighalo who's strongest club he played for was probably Udinese.
With more players injured in attack and you know it can happen because United's luck is truly remarkable when it comes to uncalled injuries, the pressure may and probably will rise even further.What pressure has Greenwood got? I dont see the manager, the fans or anyone putting any pressure on him whatsoever?
Liverpool have a CB and LW who's best team was Southampton beforehand
A LB whos best teal was Hull.
That is something different if we have more injuries. If our luck is that bad even with Lukaku he would have the same pressure, if Lukaku got injured.With more players injured in attack and you know it can happen because United's luck is truly remarkable when it comes to uncalled injuries, the pressure may and probably will rise even further.
Ighalo's 30 years old, don't you think some bigger club would already scouted him if he was the real deal. Forgive me if I reserve optimism with someone who's ambition when still in his 20s was to go to China. He got things to prove here, not other way around.
Well since discussing this I have had the chance to talk to a mate who is a die hard ‘Pool fan. He says this discussion has come up many times on their forums and the concensus is that there is no chance that they would drop Firmino. If anyone would be dropped it would be Salah. But the majority would not swap any of their front 3 for anyone. Deluded possibly, but it is also hard to argue with their results.Mate Messi can be a fecking hexagon nevermind a round or square peg . He plays ahead of any of Liverpool's front 3 . I think you just used possibly the worst example of proving a point by using Messi .
I get your point but Messi fits into any team in the world
Exactly. We lost our main goal source in Rashford and what we have in return is a very talented kid and reserve option that never completed his big club move until now.That is something different if we have more injuries. If our luck is that bad even with Lukaku he would have the same pressure, if Lukaku got injured.
We looked at him during LVG era. Barca wanted him too. He is a reserve option, not a first choice ST.
Oh do not get me started, what you have described there is good transfer and business sense, you cannot expect that from Ed.If only we could fully focus on signing Bruno in the summer instead of wasting time on Eriksen and Dybala, we could have all winter in searching for a fully proper striker that can take the pressure of situation we are in and we'll need points badly by the way. Another season in Europa can finally result in Adidas starting looking elsewhere, then both Ole and Ed will be in trouble.
Yea I want more players, but our replacement first choice is already here....and if Bruno gets injured we're back with playing Lingard and Pereira, because half of the forum wants Pogba gone without even remote news of signing someone as good as him.
One step forward, one step back. Doesn't sound like a good idea of building a strong team, even if Bruno is better footballer than Pogba after two games he played for United.
Half of the forum didin't want Haland, then Rashford gets injured and half of the forum suddenly screams to sign striker in last days of a window.
Great, now think about that club like Manchester United can have truly quality squad depth where Pogba and Bruno can support the same position if one gets injured or simply play together to overwhelm opponent with creativity and both of them capable of scoring from midfield.Yea I want more players, but our replacement first choice is already here.
Won't be surprised if we offer Ighalo contract this summer, because more than half of budget will be thrown at Borussia for Sancho.It's not like other clubs can do it, Real last year, Chelsea with Ziyech.
How can you even type this, he's played a single game for us. Martial, despite being 24 years old, playing in poor attacking sides and being maligned under Mou, has still scored over 60 goals for the club and has over 30 assists.Yeah but Bruno is much better than Martial so of course he's a key player going forward. I'm talking about the present and the future, not living in the past with your (incorrect) stats.
Martial won't be here because he's inconsistent and shite. We haven't been able to rely on him for the last 5 years so what the hell is going to change?
Probably confidence, morale, all? But he's still a very skilled player in a very unconventional role right now. We need some other scorers to help him with the runs, etc...Its amazing how difference his performance is before and after a goal.
He goes from not being able to trap anything and giving the ball away to a silky touch and linking everything.
Was the same against Chelsea
What attitude did he show? That was a lucky goal thanks to an error from opposition, if we want our striker to score maybe create something for him. Running around like an idiot for 90 mins does not make one a good footballer, it just makes a lingard.Imagine if he could show that attitude for 90 minutes.
He scored the same goal against Newcastle I think? It's something he's starting to pay attention. And Lingard compared to Martial? Come on, you are not serious. This is a guy who has a shot accuracy higher than Rashford right now. Almost similar number of goals, if not more than Rashford, for the same number of games. He's not the problem.What attitude did he show? That was a lucky goal thanks to an error from opposition, if we want our striker to score maybe create something for him. Running around like an idiot for 90 mins does not make one a good footballer, it just makes a lingard.
I am not comparing lingard and martial rather questioning the logic behind these presumptions that if you close down a player you show good attitude and running around like a headless chicken makes you a good player.He scored the same goal against Newcastle I think? It's something he's starting to pay attention. And Lingard compared to Martial? Come on, you are not serious. This is a guy who has a shot accuracy higher than Rashford right now. Almost similar number of goals, if not more than Rashford, for the same number of games. He's not the problem.
14th goal.Was that his 13th or 14th goal of the season?
Isn’t a key player though, don’t forget.14th goal.
I thought it was. BBC website just not up to date then14th goal.
Can you imagine how many goals and assists both Rashford and Martial didn't play +3 months without eachothers having the suffer the likes of Pereira, Lingard and James as their main partners? Statistically they are both doing as well as we could expect under these circumstances, they are both going to outperform 18/19 Lukaku with worse support.Isn’t a key player though, don’t forget.
15th no?Was that his 13th or 14th goal of the season?
Never a truer statement said re LingardWhat attitude did he show? That was a lucky goal thanks to an error from opposition, if we want our striker to score maybe create something for him. Running around like an idiot for 90 mins does not make one a good footballer, it just makes a lingard.
Agreed. 15 would be good. Next season he must get 20+ if we're going to go somewhere.My mistake, 9 league goals in a team that doesn't create much and injured for 2 months of the season.
If he gets 15 goals this season, it would be a decent return.
Well said.Let's summarise Martial's season up statistically:
14 goals and 5 assists in roughly 2200 minutes this season.
- Same number of non penalty goals (13) and assists (5) as Rashford this season, having played 100 mins less than Marcus.
- Same number of combined Goals and Assists (19) this season as Harry Kane, having played exactly the same number of minutes.
- More combined G+A than Aubameyang and Griezmann who are on 18 and 17 respectively for the season (having played less minutes than both).
- 4 more goals than Firmino in all competitions.
- One goal fewer than Tammy Abraham (15) in all competitions, having played 200 mins less than the Chelsea striker.
He's by no means flawless, but a player that can put up numbers like that playing for possibly the most disjointed United side in recent history should be appreciated, and you really wonder what kind of numbers he'd have put up if he had the chance to play with likes of Pogba, Rash and Bruno more than he has been able to so far this season. He's a super talent and he's getting more confident as a goalscorer. If we were a rational fanbase, it would be commonly accepted that he's literally almost the least of our worries.
If he's not our most important player, he's very clearly up there. Our worst run of form this season remains the period in September-October when he was injured. Him and Rashford carry us offensively.