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My point is from what I know about him I never heard anyone ever say he is a winger.
We gave so many players so many chances at all different positions trying to get the best out of them, you would think someone like Mason who is already a proven goal scorer would get a run at what is obviously his natural position.
My point is from what I know about him I never heard anyone ever say he is a winger.
We gave so many players so many chances at all different positions trying to get the best out of them, you would think someone like Mason who is already a proven goal scorer would get a run at what is obviously his natural position.
Imo it's simply because he was playing against the youth teams. Lingard would dribble past most of them but we all know how he'd do in the PL. It's just a problem of levels I think. I haven't seen him doing such in the PL.I've said it before but he's keeping his game simple at the moment, he showed fantastic dribbling ability in the youth teams. His crossing's quite good as well, he even got an assist from a cross for Fernandes against Brighton last season. Not that I think he should play as a traditional winger either, there's just a lot more to his game that he's still yet to showcase.
We'd have more of a chance winning the league with a world class no.9 and Greenwood on the right than Martial as no.9 and a world class right winger. It's not a dig at Martial btw.
I think people are exaggerating with Greenwood not being a natural right winger. He killed it there last season. And tbh, asides from Sancho alot of people saw the other right wingers we could get as back up to Greenwood
I get that Greenwood is the best we have at RW but I hate the constant lazy talk that he can just stay out there for the time being. Lazy comparisons to the likes of Henry who learned his trade as a winger. This kids an immensely two-footed finisher who is perfect to grow into the no 9 that weve needed since RVP.We'd have more of a chance winning the league with a world class no.9 and Greenwood on the right than Martial as no.9 and a world class right winger. It's not a dig at Martial btw.
I think people are exaggerating with Greenwood not being a natural right winger. He killed it there last season. And tbh, asides from Sancho alot of people saw the other right wingers we could get as back up to Greenwood
Player development is nonlinear. Messi and Ronaldo didn't develop at the same rate.Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
Lingard would agree too!Player development is nonlinear. Messi and Ronaldo didn't develop at the same rate.
Greenwood’s not really had consistent games so far this season, 6/10 is generous based on his contribution so far. He’s not really made 9 appearances either, he was subbed on late in 4/9 games he played, he’s got 319 minutes to Haaland’s 1031. At the moment he doesn’t play striker so it’s a bit pointless comparing his and Haaland’s goal output until Greenwood gets the opportunity to play up top, you’d be better off comparing his numbers with Sancho as they actually play the same position.Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
You lost me there mate.I’d rotate Martial and Rashy on the left, Mason and Cavani in the no 9, New RW and James on the right. Players in the proper positions.
A little bit harsh to expect him to match Haaland's numbers ain't it?Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
It was harsh now, but it wasn't that harsh last season. Point is, liken many of you here, I really believe him to be generational type of talent too. Remember we even compare him to L.Ronaldo, Rooney, Owen etc at same age.. but its seems he is bit far behind now - the real generational talent seems to be Haaland only.A little bit harsh to expect him to match Haaland's numbers ain't it?
2 goals in 9 games with maybe 2 starts.Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
I’d rotate Martial and Rashy on the left, Mason and Cavani in the no 9, New RW and James on the right. Players in the proper positions.
Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
He is. I've absolutely no doubt about that. I haven't seen such natural talent since Messi I think. My only worry is how his mentality would develop. And his strength and heading.It was harsh now, but it wasn't that harsh last season. Point is, liken many of you here, I really believe him to be generational type of talent too. Remember we even compare him to L.Ronaldo, Rooney, Owen etc at same age.. but its seems he is bit far behind now - the real generational talent seems to be Haaland only.
Haaland imo is just a freak who happens to fully physically developed at an early age. And he has the mentality of a full grown up as well.
He is. I've absolutely no doubt about that. I haven't seen such natural talent since Messi I think. My only worry is how his mentality would develop. And his strength and heading.
Haaland imo is just a freak who happens to fully physically developed at an early age. And he has the mentality of a full grown up as well. Like Messi, Rooney. Most of the non freak players would get ready physically and mentally by the time they reach 20-22 yo. Some even later. Not everyone is like everybody else.
People will call me crazy but I'm of the opinion that one day he'll be better than Haaland. Haaland for all his blessing physically imo is quite average technically. He'll be a really great goal scorer but not as great footballer as one day Greenwood will be. He's scoring for fun in the Bundes but anyone watch that league would know how shite most of the defenses there are. The current Greenwood, if he is playing in that league, and for Dortmund imo would have at least the same number.
As I said, he's quite fully developed. And of course he's much better than the current Greenwood. That's no doubt.Err... Haaland did score like 16 goals in 12 CL games so far... the record holder.
Ok sign 2 RW’s if you want, except we won’t.You lost me there mate.
He plays both sides and mostly the right for us. I’d upgrade him but if we get a top RW in then he will do as back up.Dan James is a LW.
What I mean is, its not like we see many players scoring 16 goals in 12 CL games from any clubs, no matter how well developed they are. Those who have these numbers, usually end up winning Ballon D'or.As I said, he's quite fully developed. And of course he's much better than the current Greenwood. That's no doubt.
What I tried to say was his number in Bundes and Greenwood number in the PL is not comparable. And Greenwood, despite how limited he is now imo would score for fun in that Bundes, if he's playing for a team like Dortmund of course.
He surely may one day, once he moves to a top club and continues to score there. In the bigger stages. He is and will be a really great goal scorer.What I mean is, its not like we see many players scoring 16 goals in 12 CL games from any clubs, no matter how well developed they are. Those who have these numbers, usually end up winning Ballon D'or.
Last season at one point I really thought he is going to be same level as Haaland, maybe even going to be better as he seems to have higher ceiling.
But this season, it has been Haaland 10/10, Greenwood 6/10. Not even close.
Haaland, 20 years old, 17 goals in 13 games
Greenwood, 19 years old, 2 goals in 9 games
He surely may one day, once he moves to a top club and continues to score there. In the bigger stages. He is and will be a really great goal scorer.
As I said, people will call me crazy. Maybe I'm. Maybe not. But I haven't seen any better natural talent than Greenwood since Messi. That I'm sure about. I'm only not sure about how that talent would develop. But I choose to believe.
Tbh no. I don't rate Neymar really high.Neymar? Mbappe?
I think he’s a big talent, and hopefully he maximises it. He’s at the best club to do that, and got the right manager as well. OGS managed him superbly last season. Clearly there are difficulties this season, but I’m confident he will get through them.
I agree with some of this, but I wouldn’t regard Greenwood as rapid. Pace is probably the least of his strengths. He’s not slow but he’s not rashford/James pace either.He is a deadly weapon against tired defenses. I say play Martial/Cavani/Rashford trio from the start (more reliable) and then switch one of them with Greenwood. He is feckin rapid forward, and looks fully in control over the ball when running. He only loses the ball due to bad decision making (not due to heavy touch like Rashford) which is no big deal really.
He is insanely talented, I think Ole's managed him wisely.
I agree with some of this, but I wouldn’t regard Greenwood as rapid. Pace is probably the least of his strengths. He’s not slow but he’s not rashford/James pace either.
https://www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/...an-utd-player-in-premier-league-season-so-farGifted Academy product Mason Greenwood recently threw his name into the hat to become United’s fastest player this season by producing a blistering top speed of 37.60 km/h. That is higher than any other Red this campaign.
No significant difference. He's in the top Tier in the League anyway.I agree with some of this, but I wouldn’t regard Greenwood as rapid. Pace is probably the least of his strengths. He’s not slow but he’s not rashford/James pace either.
Liverpool has, and probably Chelsea. Speed is the last thing the PL team lacks I think.No significant difference. He's in the top Tier in the League anyway.
I wonder if any team has faster front 3 in EPL.
I’ve seen this stat churned out a few times regarding this point. He recorded the fastest speed and overtook Fred who was in 1st place. There’s so much context missing from this.
Agreed that Rashford and James has better acceleration but it's rather a small gap and you saying pace is the least of his strength is not correct at all.I’ve seen this stat churned out a few times regarding this point. He recorded the fastest speed and overtook Fred who was in 1st place. There’s so much context missing from this.
Pace over a short space and explosive acceleration would not be factored into this. Also just because he clocked the highest doesn’t make him the quickest. The others might not have had the opportunity or moment to achieve the same.
Its clear to the naked eye that Rashford and James are our quickest players.
I agree with some of this, but I wouldn’t regard Greenwood as rapid. Pace is probably the least of his strengths. He’s not slow but he’s not rashford/James pace either.
To the naked eye I don't see any difference between Greenwood, Martial and Rashford - I believe all 3 are rapid.I’ve seen this stat churned out a few times regarding this point. He recorded the fastest speed and overtook Fred who was in 1st place. There’s so much context missing from this.
Pace over a short space and explosive acceleration would not be factored into this. Also just because he clocked the highest doesn’t make him the quickest. The others might not have had the opportunity or moment to achieve the same.
Its clear to the naked eye that Rashford and James are our quickest players.
