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Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Don't lose your shit. Read my clarification and my posting history before that.
Greenwood wasn't convicted by UTD. He was let go. He is getting paid his full salary while the club look for destination for him. He is a free man and he can be employed by another employer. There was evidence that Greenwood committed actions that hurts the club standing among the public. There hasn't been any explanation from Greenwood camp about the audio and pictures otherwise. The club has a responsibility to maintain its moral and its image and were right to do so. If Greenwood is innocent I would and a lot of other fans would like an explanation of the audio/video. If he can't provide one, I am okay with letting him go.
And again he's free to play for anyone else and I am sure there would be clubs lining up to get him. So he won't suffer financially.
That's exactly what it sounds like. More concerned with the backlash and the damage to the brand than standing by somebody they believe to be falsely accused..
Yes, those who blindly believe Mason Greenwood is guilty.
It was only ever going to end this way.
The more I think about it, the more I think that 'he did not do much wrong, but didn't want to blame the mother of his child' makes not much sense. The stakes were quite high here, and if she lied, I think it was to their advantage to clarify this, rather than for him to lose the job and tens of millions during his career.
Speculation but I think it is likely that he was abusive towards her, or they were mutually abusive (there was something along these lines in some small forums before the incident happened). So while he probably didn't rape her, the evidence would have been that he threatened to rape her and/or was physically or verbally abusive towards her. With the media and fan backslash, the only way for this to end with Greenwood staying at United would have been for evidence to come out, and if that evidence was 'he is not a rapist, but he is abusive' all it would do is further destroy their lives while still end with him out of United.
Which is why it made sense to end his contract, and for him to get a clean break (pretty sure he will get a job as footballer assuming he is has not become shit).
Speculation but I think it is likely that he was abusive towards her, or they were mutually abusive (there was something along these lines in some small forums before the incident happened). So while he probably didn't rape her, the evidence would have been that he threatened to rape her and/or was physically or verbally abusive towards her. With the media and fan backslash, the only way for this to end with Greenwood staying at United would have been for evidence to come out, and if that evidence was 'he is not a rapist, but he is abusive' all it would do is further destroy their lives while still end with him out of United.
Which is why it made sense to end his contract, and for him to get a clean break (pretty sure he will get a job as footballer assuming he is has not become shit).
He's only 21. There is no "could have". He has his whole career ahead of him.
This isn't about differing opinions on light hearted subjects like football though is it? Which is what I come here for. Finding out alot of posters on here are sympathetic to scum like greenwood makes it very tough for me, and I'm sure many others, to go on discussing football matters with those same people.
I've had someone very close to me go through what the victim has gone through, I know it all to well, all the signs and everything, I'm not going to say anything more than that because it upsets me too much.
So I think I'm done posting on the cafe now, good luck to all the decent posters on here, and feck off to the rest of ye.
Any FFP implications? More money available for transfers in due to wages saved?
He's getting a second chance?!
It doesn’t matter what they think, I’m afraid. It only matters what the average Jo(e) thinks and you will see from this thread that a lot of pretty vociferous posters think he is guilty and don’t appear to be interested in any views to the contrary. I personally am not taking a view on it, except to say that if he isn’t guilty, but may be prone to stupid and selfish behaviour then perhaps there is a path to redemption
Arguably his career shouldn’t be over but sponsors don’t usually care about that, or the facts (whatever they may be) they only care about perception.
England and Man Utd isn’t ahead of him so I disagree
The mob is happy, they were out for blood irrespective of the findings outlined in the statement. It is shameful on many levels, the club is weak along with the great minds who had already passed along their judgment. As any story that triggers this much outrage, it will soon be forgotten. There will be another collective cause for those great minds to be offended by, it’s the world we live in. Quick to judge and quick to forget.
You'll be missed
Yep, no-one making those kinds of statements can have worked in Support Work, Social Services or Relationship Counselling, let alone clinical Psych. You can't use staying or leaving in of themselves, or his decision not to press counter-charges if she indeed fabricated evidence, as indicators of anything either way in isolation.
Ah ok. Didn't see it in the statement.
Honestly, I would be a little worried for her now Mason has not got what he seemingly wanted. Even more so, if his career nosedives.
Is that United responsibility to keep him on, just because they feel there may be reprocussions down the line for her?
If we sell him it be 100% net gain I guess
Adam Crafton said this:
"In the end, the club confirmed on Monday that they would work with the player to continue his career elsewhere and the club say they do not expect an eventuality where a loan move leads to the player representing United again in the future.
A loan move away from the club would allow United to retain commercial control of a footballer who, before his arrest in January 2022, was widely deemed to be the best young forward in English football. This would either be with a view to selling Greenwood further down the line if he can restore his value on the field, or, hypothetically, to one day bring him back to Old Trafford, but the club insist they do not expect this to happen"
https://theathletic.com/4790552/2023/08/21/greenwood-man-united-u-turn/?source=twitteruk
Are you saying you weren’t offended by the pictures and audio?
Or in love? The same way people who are abused stay with there partners.
Harsher word than appropriate maybe but he's right about the quality of posters though.
Not from united.
Must admit FFP is the last thing I considered or cared about following this series of events
Apparently she didn't post it - she was hacked.
The narrative is she never intended the video/images being released or to press charges etc
Ah yes. The witch hunts where innocent women were drowned or burned at the stake. Very similar situations.
This you?
From the ownership thread?
I've been on the fence about this whole thing, but I'm starting to hope the Qatar bid wins purely for the utter meltdowns certain posters on here are going to have
Thank you @moses
I don’t think he does, really. He’s good at giving his own opinion.
You wouldn't put anything past the guys who run Utd. Full on wildcards.
Which posts exactly? Or are you generalising?
I’m yet to see a single person deny what was seen or heard. What has been revealing is how many posters see any view that doesn’t parrot theirs in the worst context possible.
This is meant to be a forum, with discussion.
Genuine question. @moses @Ainu is classing all opposing views as despicable being dismissive?
In no world does Mason Greenwood experience the same redemption story as Johnny Depp. Depp was much loved before the trial, his charizma is off the charts and he won his case.
Greenwood is a branding nightmare for the club.
Bad decision football wise as we desperately need him on the RW.
Good decision from a branding perspective and impact on the women's team.
Not going to comment on his charges beyond that the charges themselves are serious and unexcusable. But at the end of the day, none of us have enough information to know what exactly happened and I for one don't care to be judge, jury, and executioner given the severe consequences on the lives of the two individuals and their future child.
Good decision from a branding perspective and impact on the women's team.
Not going to comment on his charges beyond that the charges themselves are serious and unexcusable. But at the end of the day, none of us have enough information to know what exactly happened and I for one don't care to be judge, jury, and executioner given the severe consequences on the lives of the two individuals and their future child.
Loan with no obligation to buy next?
But he was never even charged with rape in the first place...
Nothing to do with sides arguing events, the poster was just plain wrong
But they're not stopping him from having a second chance. So he gets a second chance.
His career isn’t done mate.
He’s one of the best young forwards in England - possibly the best.
Utd isn’t the right place for him to be, but he’s now free to restart his career.
Yeh I was clearly messing about with that, hence the laugh emoji. People were having crazy meltdowns that day and it was funny to read. This isn't in any way the same thing, but well done. Jesus
If he is not sold right now and only loaned then that eventuality absolutely exists irrespective of what suits are Briefing right now .
Yet she didnt come out day one and say this?