I am in favour of Qatar but don't want him back.
Mason Greenwood (Please post respectfully)
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The biggest conundrum about Greenwood, ignoring the moral side, is this guy could overperform his xG consistently or that is to say, score when getting zero to no service.
And we just don't have anyone like this in our squad. If we did, I don't think many of us would care.
And we just don't have anyone like this in our squad. If we did, I don't think many of us would care.
You and a few others are really great at imagining things when it suits.
Not black and white for me, there needs to be some meaningful show of contrition and not just words or statements.
He needs to acknowledge that what he did is unacceptable and there are no excuses or mitigating factors, I think he needs to be involved in something publicly that provides support to women who have suffered assault and abuse, this would need to be financial and physical support
he needs to be involved personally
If that happens then maybe redemption can be possible, the Women's team need to be on board with this as well as the men's, otherwise he should be gone
He needs to acknowledge that what he did is unacceptable and there are no excuses or mitigating factors, I think he needs to be involved in something publicly that provides support to women who have suffered assault and abuse, this would need to be financial and physical support
he needs to be involved personally
If that happens then maybe redemption can be possible, the Women's team need to be on board with this as well as the men's, otherwise he should be gone
This is spot on. Just because he got away with it doesn't mean he never did it, people keep bringing up the fact she's back with him but they're forgetting he was charged with controlling and coercive behaviour
I know about consensual roleplay and for me that wasn't it. He sounded legitimately frustrated/angry and she sounded legit upset unless they should both be in Hollywood winning Oscars.
I'm no and more in favour of Qatar over Ineos (though I'm okay with either).
Voted yes.
He's a young academy lad who made a mistake, he's not the first and won't be the last.
We need him more than anything, if we bring a striker he can rotate with him next season until he builds up some form.
He's a young academy lad who made a mistake, he's not the first and won't be the last.
We need him more than anything, if we bring a striker he can rotate with him next season until he builds up some form.
I don’t want him back at United. And I’d prefer Qatar ownership to Brexit Jim.
Regardless of what happens, the club need to make a decision soon. We can't have another distraction threatening to disrupt our preparations for next season.
Eriksen will never start a big game again after today. He will start against the poor teams that we dominate alright.
No.
I'm also not surprised so many on here have voted yes.
I'm also not surprised so many on here have voted yes.
I want Qatar and voted "Yes" here as well.
Is it enough to say he hasnt reformed? Its very easy to judge but the facts are we dont know everything and the courts werent able to convict, without the full picture i refuse to cast judgement and will consider only the footballing element. That may seem shallow and I cant comprehend any facts eluded to the recording that would justify it but hes legally innocent and my interest in him is what he can do on a football field only, I cant judge him, I dont have millions of pounds at a young age and everybody around me telling me how amazing I am.
If he shows remorse, doesn't he deserve a second chance?
You don't see why beating the hell out of a defenseless woman is on a completely different spectrum than anything you just listed?
Sleeping with someone underage is rape. They aren't old enough to give consent
Agree.
Did you hear the audio or see the pictures?
Nobody would bat an eyelid if he wasn’t a United player
No.
If we are sold to Qatar then we can as well have Greenwood back.
Go away.
You ok with what you heard on those tapes?
I hope lessons are learned, and i believe in second chances. I really hope he's sorted his shit out and the whole experience has been sobering for him. Any more silliness and he's gone before it even hit's the news.
This, in a society where its so accepting of everybody having their views and respecting feelings you are very quickly cancelled if it doesnt fit what some others think/ want.
I see and appreciate what you mean
Yes, but I thought it sounded like an interaction that is possibly normal for them as a couple.
I don't know and the charges are dropped and he's still with her.
So it may not be perfect, but I'm not a fan of throwing someone's life away based on what I just said.
Charges dropped, back with the same girl and she's pregnant.I'd reintegrate him back into the team but i think the negative publicity will force United to look to move him on.
He is a fecking idiot though.
He is a fecking idiot though.
I feel we played a part to grow his ego back with the Iceland thing. We should have punished him harder then.
Now, I voted no. The recordings were awful.
(I think we did with Maguire the exact same thing with the Mykonos incident. We really did nothing to overblown his confidence. Not that I m equalling Maguire's football clown behavior with what Greenwood did out of the field)
Now, I voted no. The recordings were awful.
(I think we did with Maguire the exact same thing with the Mykonos incident. We really did nothing to overblown his confidence. Not that I m equalling Maguire's football clown behavior with what Greenwood did out of the field)
Those that are trying to plead his "remorse", you wouldn't fight this hard for him if he was Scott McTominay.
Who cares once a trophy is won, it's all a facade. Sick of so many other clubs cheating and allowing rapists/criminals to play for their club and being rewarded for it yet United are expected to hold the moral standards.
Yes, in an ideal world these kind of people should be persecuted for their crimes but Greenwood was cleared of charges unlike other top players.
It’d be interesting to observe if there are people who are for one and against the other. Would be ironic and lacking self-awareness
Was always quite proud how Utd handled the situation. Especially compared to arsenal who had similar but handled it very differently
than again it also always felt a bit hypocritical considering we allowed Ronaldo to return
anyways it’s a big no from me. Release him and he can be someone else’s problem
than again it also always felt a bit hypocritical considering we allowed Ronaldo to return
anyways it’s a big no from me. Release him and he can be someone else’s problem
The charges are dropped and he is with the same girl.
He is undoubtedly a twat and a nasty piece of work, but I would say he deserves a chance to redeem himself. Then again, would I be saying that if he wasnt such a highly rated talent? Probably not.
We have seen Arsenal playing Partey all season despite the charges/allegations against him. There are probably plenty of other footballers who are complete knobs and have done all sorts of unsavoury stuff. Ideally, kick them all out, and especially from United. But still, charges have been dropped - if we are binning him off permanently then it is purely down to his personality and reputation (which was already a bit of a question mark - hopefully he has learned and grown up).
He is undoubtedly a twat and a nasty piece of work, but I would say he deserves a chance to redeem himself. Then again, would I be saying that if he wasnt such a highly rated talent? Probably not.
We have seen Arsenal playing Partey all season despite the charges/allegations against him. There are probably plenty of other footballers who are complete knobs and have done all sorts of unsavoury stuff. Ideally, kick them all out, and especially from United. But still, charges have been dropped - if we are binning him off permanently then it is purely down to his personality and reputation (which was already a bit of a question mark - hopefully he has learned and grown up).
That's rape.
I don't think it's worth it. It's hard to unhear that stuff as far as the public is concerned.
Even if there was a perfect explanation for what happened that largely absolved Mason for the known material, it is not going to make things hunky dory for us with our sponsors and with the media and public. So while losing his career with us would be terrible for Greenwood if we had the wrong end of the stick, I'm more fecking concerned about Man United than one footballer. That's just the harsh reality of a situation where there is no perfect outcome that sits pretty for everyone involved. So I'd take the one that gives us less problems as a football club, which impacts many, many people.
Besides, losing a career with us is not losing his entire career. I also think that if he's honest with himself he'd realise he's better rebuilding himself away from England. He needs to get fit, and get out of the spotlight and focus on football and he'd be far better placed to do that elsewhere. To me that feels the best situation for everyone.
However, I think we do have to do our due diligence no matter what we do. We have to completely understand the situation around the case and the sentiment employing him would garner, if we're doing that. And if we're sacking him we need to be legally informed so we don't get sued. So it's right the club takes it's time.
Even if there was a perfect explanation for what happened that largely absolved Mason for the known material, it is not going to make things hunky dory for us with our sponsors and with the media and public. So while losing his career with us would be terrible for Greenwood if we had the wrong end of the stick, I'm more fecking concerned about Man United than one footballer. That's just the harsh reality of a situation where there is no perfect outcome that sits pretty for everyone involved. So I'd take the one that gives us less problems as a football club, which impacts many, many people.
Besides, losing a career with us is not losing his entire career. I also think that if he's honest with himself he'd realise he's better rebuilding himself away from England. He needs to get fit, and get out of the spotlight and focus on football and he'd be far better placed to do that elsewhere. To me that feels the best situation for everyone.
However, I think we do have to do our due diligence no matter what we do. We have to completely understand the situation around the case and the sentiment employing him would garner, if we're doing that. And if we're sacking him we need to be legally informed so we don't get sued. So it's right the club takes it's time.
If we don’t give our youngsters a second chance then what’s next? For me as a father and grandfather he’s welcomed back because I don’t like this cancel culture.
Even if they decided soon, it still wouldn't resolve the problem of (assuming he stays) actually playing him in competitive matches without his presence becoming a disruptive factor to overall team play in front of oppo fans.
He can have his second chance somewhere else, thanks.
Fecking fortunate to get that too, I may add.
Fecking fortunate to get that too, I may add.
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