Mason Greenwood (Please post respectfully)

Do you want Mason Greenwood to return next year ?

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Charges are dropped and he's still with the same girl.
Thats enough for me, always felt a bit overblown.
Not a fan of canceling people just because you have an unproven opinion about them.
Bring him back in
 
What he was accused of doing is reprehensible , but I believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance .and would rather live in a society where there is redemption for people and they are not just cast aside forever, especially someone so young who has so much to learn in life.

There would have to be conditions in that he must show real remorse and a real commitment to change his attitude.

If he met those I would consider having him back next season.

But I live in the real world and in the end of the day it won't be ETH or even the board who get the final say , it will be the corporate sponsors and the merest whiff of a social media campaign will see them running for the hills. The board will then decide the easier option is to cut their loses on him and terminate his contract with a hefty pay off.
 
From a pure football perspective, he's been out of the game for too long at a critical stage. He'll never be able to play without distraction from opposition fans.

From a human perspective, I'd rather we didn't have players with baggage like this known for certain things.

My view is his career in England is over, but United are in a precarious position whereby it costs them money to sack him given there are no criminal proceedings going against him now.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
Charges are dropped and he's still with the same girl.
Thats enough for me, always felt a bit overblown.
Not a fan of canceling people just because you have an unproven opinion about them.
Bring him back in
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I mean did you hear the recordings?
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I believe in second chances. Especially if he's with the same lady and the courts see him as innocent.

I'm sure all of you are saints.
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It's a little disingenuous to claim the courts see him as innocent when it never got that far. It was determined that there was no longer enough evidence to continue. In general, abuse victims going back to their abuser or defending them is nothing new so I don't think we can really draw any conclusion from that.

If you've listened to the audio and seen the photos I don't understand how you can throw in the 'saints' line.
 
Casemiro - Eriksen
Antony - Bruno - Rashford
Greenwood​

Assuming he wasn't an asshole would this attack have scored more than 58 league goals this season? Would we have won EL/FA cup?
 
Vidyoyo said:
How is that even slightly fair on the girl? It seems really selfish to feel she should have to explain her personal life to the public so that fans of a football club can sleep a bit easier and benefit United's PR team.
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I agree it wouldn't be fair on her. However, those audio clips and photos were released on her social media account, and she is now back in a relationship with this public figure. At the very least, I think she deserves to fully tell her side of the story. If what she says doesn't fit the club want to hear PR-wise, then we terminate his contract
 
From a pure footballing aspect he’s obviously an asset worth keeping, he has massive potential as a footballer but what he did I don’t think can be overlooked. Laying hands on a women is simply unacceptable.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
Charges are dropped and he's still with the same girl.
Thats enough for me, always felt a bit overblown.
Not a fan of canceling people just because you have an unproven opinion about them.
Bring him back in
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I think they're engaged and she's pregnant as well so it's mostly about the sponsors at this point
 
Withnail said:
Nope nope nope.

We've all heard the tape. There's no explaining that away. I'm a little taken aback and saddened that the poll is close.
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You'd be surprised at the amount of consesual roleplay of that kind of nature that goes on. That's not me saying that's what happened, but it's the only explanation I can think of that isn't disturbing.
 
Absolutely not.

Let him take his abusing attitude to Turkey or something. One of those clubs will take him I'm sure.
 
arnie_ni said:
38 yes' already....
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Roughly 65% of this forum want Qataris so why is it a surprise. That regime have done far worse things than Greenwood have done too.

Where do people draw the moral line? Overlooking all that stuff but drawing the line at Greenwood makes no sense to me. You're either pro both or against both in my eyes.

I'm against both FYI.
 
Yes, i think only about a football sense and the fact he wasnt convicted, I dont worship these people for their personalities, my interest is what they can do with a ball, Im sure lots of players have done dispicable things and it seems that the video being shared has made the outcry far worse. Is it true that hes now marrying this girl and they are having a child together? Its for her to forgive him but I appreciate everyone will have very different views on a sensitive subject and we have to respect that but my interest and decision is based solely on football
 
Footballers are privileged people that should represent the club in a positive manner. He did not do that in any way possible. We cannot support domestic offenders and pay them 100 thousand grand per week. Get rid.
 
Berbaclass said:
He's not allowed the opportunity to learn from that and become a better person?
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He should be doing that before playing again for United. If he hasn't learnt from the situation and become a better person, there's no way we should be entertaining bringing him back into the fold.

Edit: how do you feel the Women's team will feel about him coming back into the fold? Some may feel uneasy about it all.
 
Berbaclass said:
Not for me. I found Greenwood frustrating and incredibly greedy
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That's a label that fits Garnacho perfectly as well, the difference is that Greenwood was more effective with goalscoring.

I know we're into "who's the better of the 2 amazing talents" territory, but Greenwood's ability to score from half chances is something we're really short of.

Basically I think the footballing argument against him is a very weak one, it needs to be about whether there's a way back for him and that's difficult given how little we know about what actually happened.
 
Really hard to say for many reasons. I don't know exactly what the situation is or was, but I do know that it looked really bad. So from a personal point of view I don't want him around.

However, from a footballing point of view it's more difficult because he is a very talented player and the fact that I don't know what happened does mean that it's more difficult to write him off. From a purely footballing perspective, imagine him and Garnacho in our attack next season...
 
Regardless of what anyone’s views are on whether he should return, my biggest concern if he does is the media circus, social media focus and opposition fans focusing on him the whole season. It will most likely be as disruptive, if not more than the Ronaldo saga. I can imagine ETH being asked about it every press conference. I’m not sure it’s wise for us to invite that drama.
 
The only questions for me would be, does he still have the ability after this interruption to his career, and if he does, will that outweigh the inevitable drama that'll surround him? He had talent, he was a joy to watch, if he still has that in him I wouldn't mind him back. No point being vindictive, this is a top end sports club, not a hippie commune.
 
Samid said:
Casemiro - Eriksen
Antony - Bruno - Rashford
Greenwood​

Assuming he wasn't an asshole would this attack have scored more than 58 league goals this season? Would we have won EL/FA cup?
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Could potentially work assuming he's still good after all this time. Not sure about Eriksen there for next year though, but that's for another thread.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Would it be tainted to get any money off his potential sale too? Not being snarky, genuine question.
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I'm really more coming from the angle of, is he worth the risk and trouble to bring back at the potential cost of negative publicity, team cohesion, and sponsorship? I'm not completely against the idea myself, but I'm just not convinced as of now that it's worth all the effort to bring him back.

If there's an option to offload him to recoup anything we can get for him, I'm all for it.
 
I dont care if the charges were dropped , they were dropped because she would not give evidence.
We all heard the tapes, he was not found not guilty and I dont care about the innocent till proved guilty, a jury was not given that choice.
I never want to see him a United shirt ever again.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Are you aware of the giant gap between saint and batterer. I've shoplifted, but I never in my life even entertained the thought of beating up a woman, let alone my significant other.
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What he did was terrible. Normal and everyday people do horrible shit all the time. For instance - being a shitty husband/wife or a lazy parent for years is horrible.

People on this very forum have probably cheated, taken advantage of, manipulated, lied, deceived, stepped on people to get ahead etc.

Also, not trusting the legal system is a huge can of worms. Innocent until proven guilty is fundamental. We also don't know the full story.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Roughly 65% of this forum want Qataris so why is it a surprise. That regime have done far worse things than Greenwood have done too.

Where do people draw the moral line? Overlooking all that stuff but drawing the line at Greenwood makes no sense to me. You're either pro both or against both in my eyes.

I'm against both FYI.
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But you voted "Yes"?
 
King7Eric said:
The girl and he are having a kid and by all accounts are back together.

And he was not convicted of any charges.
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This.

Added to the fact that we know literally nothing of the voice stuff. It’s 2023 ffs, it could’ve easily been edited together. She could’ve been hacked (as was suggested by her Dad).

We do know that NEW EVIDENCE equalled the whole thing being thrown out.

If they’re back together and are reportedly having a baby I would love to see them build a happy life together, that’s what I would love to see, that’s the best outcome here.

And even better if they do that with the support of Man Utd, with Mason playing his way back into the team.

At least listen to the explanation before condemning this young man. If it’s good enough for the police in one of the most high profile cases in football - it should be good enough for you.

Chelsea employed Alonso after he fecking killed someone while drunk driving and was FOUND GUILTY.

Then there’s Benzema, Ribery etc.

And again, this was dropped due to NEW EVIDENCE coming out, yet people are allowed to talk about Mason like it’s a given he was guilty… shouldn’t we also avoid libelling the player who’s been cleared of all charges? @Raoul @Damien

No one should be victim blaming *******, and likewise no one should be talking about Mason like he’s guilty after the whole thing’s been dropped.
 
For those talking about if the girlfriend forgives then we should too... My girlfriend used to live next door to someone who was domestically abused. He nearly killed her several times and hospitalised her more than once and she always went back. It's a phenomenon in domestic abuse. Just because she forgave him and his having his kid etc does not mean he is reformed.
 
Not going to vote or decide until more is known about what happened. There would need to be a lot of conditions.

At present it would be no.
 
SolskjaerHasDoneIt said:
Benzema & Ribery were accused of raping an underage prostitute and acquitted, just like Greenwood. I don't approve of Greenwood's actions but wtf is the point if people are rewarded for similar actions, clearly the people in charge of football don't care as long as they earn money. In fact, it's been proven that they enjoy the profits from murderers (City) so everything is game imo.
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I was thinking of the Valbuena thing.
On an emotional note, listing to the audio that was posted makes it very hard to cheer him on. Easier to compartmentalise closed doors
 
santeria13 said:
You'd be surprised at the amount of consesual roleplay of that kind of nature that goes on. That's not me saying that's what happened, but it's the only explanation I can think of that isn't disturbing.
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I think if that was the case we probably would have heard something like that already, whether from his camp or from hers, a long time ago. You're right that some people are into that kind of thing but I think things could have been squashed a lot quicker if it were the case.
 
Winrar said:
I'm really more coming from the angle of, is he worth the risk and trouble to bring back at the potential cost of negative publicity, team cohesion, and image with sponsors? I say no, but maybe someone can convince me otherwise.

If there's an option to offload him to recoup anything we can get for him, I'm all for it.
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Selling or loaning him out may be the path of least resistance this summer. He would probably get heckled to death by oppo fans if he came back.
 
doesnt matter what any of us want, if the squad/manager dont want to work with him then strap him to a rocket and send him to feckin mars
 
Wonder what percentage of the yes' here are pro Qatar and what percentage of no's are anti Qatar. Have a feeling it's similar in that one group cares about their morals over United success, and the other is 100% success and don't care about off field stuff. Everyone's entitled to their views.
 
Absolutely not. Also for the sake of United's PR he'll never play for us again.
 
bosnian_red said:
Wonder what percentage of the yes' here are pro Qatar and what percentage of no's are anti Qatar. Have a feeling it's similar in that one group cares about their morals over United success, and the other is 100% success and don't care about off field stuff. Everyone's entitled to their views.
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I would imagine this is broadly the case.
 
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