Does retrospective action come into play when falsely accusing someone of racism too?
Mason Holgate
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I’m not lip reader but it’s seems pretty clear what he’s saying, but obviously not 100%.
What I don’t get is the delayed reaction from Holgate, he waits, then reacts, looks like typical teenage behaviour of trying to get out of trouble by making it seem the other person did something worse.
What I don’t get is the delayed reaction from Holgate, he waits, then reacts, looks like typical teenage behaviour of trying to get out of trouble by making it seem the other person did something worse.
"hijo de puta" is actually a term of endearment in Brazil.
Holgate is lying. I know this because Liverpool fans on an internet forum told me so.
Holgate should get banned for the push regardless of what else happens to Firmino. It was dangerous and totally unacceptable.
Holgate should get banned for the push regardless of what else happens to Firmino. It was dangerous and totally unacceptable.
Kenny's head blocks whatever Firmino says that sparks the reaction so lip reading what was said before that is irrelevant.
What does this even mean? You are coming across as in need of some sort of course on the world outside the shires.
It honestly doesn't look like Firmino says anything racial too Holgate. However, I also don't think Holgate is lying, id say he genuinely believes that he heard something like that. If Firmino has said it tho, a lengthy ban is deserved.
Reminded me of a quite memorable quote from not that long ago
I have no idea if firmino said anything, I guess the ref and lots of players are right there.
But is there a particular reason the phrase firmino clearly says is being bandied about even though in the footage that shows it somebody walks right in front of view of him the moments before holgate responds? It's like getting footage from the first minute as "evidence". Unless there's footage I haven't seen yet.
But is there a particular reason the phrase firmino clearly says is being bandied about even though in the footage that shows it somebody walks right in front of view of him the moments before holgate responds? It's like getting footage from the first minute as "evidence". Unless there's footage I haven't seen yet.
Thank Christ somebody has said this. Thousands of lip readers on twitter patting themselves on the back for reading something he clearly says.....before the alleged offence.
Exactly. So many Liverpool fans are already on their high horse despite the fact there is no real evidence to prove it either way. Why take the risk of looking like a dick later?
I mean he doesn't seem like someone who'd rail on about his race being superior or something like that, enough to make him racially abuse someone.
I've never even seen or know what a shire is.
If anything it corroborates Holgate's allegation as it shows Firmino insulting him looking for a reaction...
It's where horses come from.I've never even seen or know what a shire is.
Love him. What I also love about our crop of youngsters is that they’re all together and will fight for each other figuratively and literally.
I’m going to ask you one question that might throw a spanner in your theory then. What language do they speak in Brazil?
(I admit, people who speak said language have said he seems to have said the equivalent - but still, come on get the language correct or else it just invalidates everything you say)
Funny seeing Pool fans jump to the defence of Firmino so soon after the Rhian Brewster incident.
I'd love to pretend that its just a Liverpool fan problem but it isn't. Look at our fans reactions to the Lukaku incident. Football fans ability to blindly defend their club from criticism extends to serious topics.
It's clear what Holgate thinks he said
Which one?
His song and the fall out from that. Not sure why I used the word incident tbh.
Yeah, when you said incident I was wondering which one I missed.
Thanks for the clarification.
I must be shit at lip-reading. What's he saying?
Got the "ee's effing called me" instantly.
But took a few more views to get the second bit... which is quite clearly (now), the N word, and the English version now that whole Spanish Suarez one.
Would the ref's mic not pick up anything that might have been said. He was close enough. Or does the ref turn the mic on and off when making coms?
Please note that in at a late New Year's patty do totally pissed! However better to defuse this before it explodes when considering the background.
Are you sure that's what he's saying? I'm not convinced.
What Holgate did was a bit reckless and nasty, if Firmino called him a cnut or mothereffer I would say that was fair enough, no wonder he was a bit annoyed, to say the least. But if he also used the n-word or any racist terms, whether it was in English or Portuguese, then he deserves to be punished for that.
Holgate deserves some form of retrospective punishment also for what he did.
Holgate deserves some form of retrospective punishment also for what he did.
So far the only reason this has become an issue is because of Liverpool fans so good going.
You have to apply an accent. Then it looks fairly clear.
The ref doesn't seem too fussed either way
My bad. Your pedantic response.
Did you watch her match?
For any other thing that’s a great comeback. But getting the language wrong of a whole country isn’t a minor detail. It was central to your argument.
They speak Portuguese in Brasil and for that matter it is as good a Italian speaking lip reader or a french speaking lip reader says something.
As a matter of fact, I did.
What on earth that has to do with Firmino suddenly deciding to speak Spanish or decide without any proper information that Holgate is making it up I'm not sure and its pretty despicable to suggest he would make up a racial slur to try to get out of a card.
Flip it around and say if Mane claimed he'd been racially abused or one of your friends or colleagues. Would your immediate and only reaction be that they'd made it up? If not, why does your tribalism come into play so strongly?
If someone accused Winks of shouting racial abuse at them, I would wait for more information to come out before commenting. I wouldn't make comments based on little more than hearsay and my own football preferences.
Not learning anything from the Suarez debacle. Impressive stuff.
Exactly what he said in Portuguese: "está louco filho da puta" = are crazy son of a....
I just don't get it. How can you be so bloody sure that he's in the wrong and Firmino did nothing? In what other walk of life would you make such rapid judgements without any evidence whatsoever?
Dude he heard what was said to him hence the reactions... I truly hope this was nothing but judging it by Holgate's reactions there must be something there..