MadDogg
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Why do you think McTominay gets on the ball and passes it significantly (over 20%) less than any of our other midfielders?...or nonsense.
Why do you think McTominay gets on the ball and passes it significantly (over 20%) less than any of our other midfielders?...or nonsense.
For the most part Fred has been better all round than McT.McTominay does tend to do the long diagonal pass to the winger/fullback more often than Fred, but otherwise Fred tends to play the more attacking passes and create more goal scoring opportunities. He also passes it long more often (both in total and percentage).
For instance, going by fbref.com stats, Fred has attempted 183 long passes in the league this season while McTominay only 117. Fred is also ahead in pretty much every other passing stat, passing significantly more often, more forward passes, more long passes and a higher success rate. He's also contributed (via passing, dribbling, winning the ball, etc) directly to us taking 40 shots this season while McTominay has only contributed to 21. Fred has played an extra 90 minutes but that's obviously not going to explain as large a gap as there is.
That's exactly how I see it. McTominay has had a few really good games and an argument can be made that they are better than Fred's good games, but Fred's average performance this season (and last season) is better.For the most part Fred has been better all round than McT.
But McT has had some very poor games where he barely did anything right. It might be true that McT in form is better than Fred in form and I tend to feel McT will prove the better player in the long run, passing, creating and, of course, scoring included.
Yeah they should be squad players but not starting games regularly that's for sureThe lack of genuine quality sometimes shows and I think we saw it today. Generally poor in possession and sorely lacking composure and leadership when it was needed.
But I still like these guys. There’ll always be room for them in the squad.
one of the problems is they are too often, too far behind our attacking players to support them. They are so concerned with protecting the 2 central defenders, which they do well enough. We have to be more proactive in these games against the big 6. Chelsea had Giroud up top yesterday, we really didn't need that defensive approach. We can't sustain pressure when our 2 central mids are set up so defensively. Lack of pace is always our issue with our central defenders, but Giroud isn't a player that will exploit that weakness.I thought they did their job. The problem was the 4 players in front of them.
I disagree, I don't think they're too far behind our attackers at all. Both players are very mobile and can often be seen bombing up the pitch as part of the attack, McT has contributed several goals from getting himself forward. Over a year ago you could argue they were too defensive, but they've demonstrably been working on this and both players are becoming much more comfortable getting forward. Yesterday's lack of creativity and fluidity is with Rashford, Greenwood, James, and Bruno.one of the problems is they are too often, too far behind our attacking players to support them. They are so concerned with protecting the 2 central defenders, which they do well enough. We have to be more proactive in these games against the big 6. Chelsea had Giroud up top yesterday, we really didn't need that defensive approach. We can't sustain pressure when our 2 central mids are set up so defensively. Lack of pace is always our issue with our central defenders, but Giroud isn't a player that will exploit that weakness.
yesterday for me they were much too defensive, they actually did an analysis on the feed I watched and Scholes highlighted the gap between them and attack. At times it was nearly like having 4 central defenders to match up against a target man in Giroud. That defensive set up could be needed against say a Man City but not that Chelsea team. What happens in that set up, is when Fernandes is having a poor game, we've nobody else able to play the attacking passes.I disagree, I don't think they're too far behind our attackers at all. Both players are very mobile and can often be seen bombing up the pitch as part of the attack, McT has contributed several goals from getting himself forward. Over a year ago you could argue they were too defensive, but they've demonstrably been working on this and both players are becoming much more comfortable getting forward. Yesterday's lack of creativity and fluidity is with Rashford, Greenwood, James, and Bruno.
Yeah we do but clearly no one has told the club because looks to be zero interest in signing oneWe need at least one of Matic or Pogba to be in the side - without them, our passing from deep is shambolic.
The problem we have is that Pogba will be sold in three/four months time and Matic has needed replacing for two years now. We need to sign a central midfielder this summer if we're to have any chance of progressing next season.
Disagree, think McT has been improving constantly. Not always great, but reliable and we miss him when he's not playing. There's a reason Mourinho and Ole both love him.McTominay is nothing more than a Tom Cleverley level player, the type of player that will be eventually phased out and end up at West Ham or the likes of as United continue to improve their midfield.
Yeah he's an energetic workhorse which both of them love but greatly lacks the technical ability for a Utd midfielderDisagree, think McT has been improving constantly. Not always great, but reliable and we miss him when he's not playing. There's a reason Mourinho and Ole both love him.
Think we see him slightly differently. I'm not saying he's Zidane, but he's better technically than a lot of people give him credit for, and I think he's always getting better. I think he's much better on the ball than Fred, for example. A midfield two of Scott and Donny could be interesting, but don't think there's much chance of that.Yeah he's an energetic workhorse which both of them love but greatly lacks the technical ability for a Utd midfielder
I’m torn, he surprises me at times with his quick feet etc, but then I also watch him at times and think “just an athletic Darron Gibson”McTominay is nothing more than a Tom Cleverley level player, the type of player that will be eventually phased out and end up at West Ham or the likes of as United continue to improve their midfield.
Agree...I am in agreement. I know some fans say give him a new contract after few good performances, but Pogba is notorious for that. He gives us 3/4 good games then gets complacent. If he wins us a trophy this season, it would be good but either way, I do feel we should build without him.
Yeah will give you that he is probably better on the ball than Fred and totally agree there is no chance of seeing Donny get a start because he can't even get an opportunity when Pogba is out injured which tells you everythingThink we see him slightly differently. I'm not saying he's Zidane, but he's better technically than a lot of people give him credit for, and I think he's always getting better. I think he's much better on the ball than Fred, for example. A midfield two of Scott and Donny could be interesting, but don't think there's much chance of that.
IMO you’re spot on with that.Yes we do need both, they’re our best midfield partnership.