This keeps being mentioned over and over again and it's starting to really piss me off
. Martial in a very familiar position against Everton. In his very short, you could easily find more games with him playing on the left than as a striker.Memphis Depay vs Anthony Martial
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. Martial in a very familiar position against Everton. In his very short, you could easily find more games with him playing on the left than as a striker.You are missing the point. Im saying option 1 is better and performs better then option 2. What LVG is doing is making sure Rooney is in the team which is absolutely ridiculous considering his form this season. And yes before you start mentioning Memphis, Memphis has been A LOT better then Rooney this season. And that says a lot when we consider Memphis a deserved bench warmer atm. its just pure bias to punish Memphis for bad form, while keeping Rooney in the squad regardless of his form. Memphis should have played over Rooney in a fair world. And ppl wil say the sub/change was brilliant, you dont know how it would have been with Memphis there and Martial as a striker and neither do I. But you cannot convince me that you find Rooney's contribution to the team worse then Memphis.
What should be played:
Memphis - Martial - Mata (OOP)
Herrera
And if Memphis doesn't perform? Then put Young in. If Young doesn't perform or is injured? Then play Perreira. But you cannot, and i cannot tell this enough, keep Rooney in that XI every week with the way he performs. Its a disgrace to the other players in our squad who simply perform better, but sit on the damn bench for no legit reason at all. And this also applies to putting great performing players out of position for Rooney to fit in.Herrera
Depay needs to relax & not try to be the next Ronaldo. The thing van gaal said about di maria was obviously his sudden big head once he joined.
Martial is purely level headed & its all about growing.
Martial is purely level headed & its all about growing.
You can tell Martial is class by watching him, he does all the things you want from a footballer and is just good at football, he definitely outshines Memphis.
I have been a bit let down by Memphis but saying that at times he has had some really good moments so hopefully he will show that more often.
I have been a bit let down by Memphis but saying that at times he has had some really good moments so hopefully he will show that more often.
just don't remember all these chances that he missed
I think Martial's attitude and calm head helps alot on the pitch. He doesn't get frustrated and isn't trying to force anything but plays simple when he needs to.
Memphis holds on to the ball for too long and tries to dribble through a wall, he got alot of talent, it's just that he needs to not try so hard and instead pass himself out of the problems quicker
Memphis holds on to the ball for too long and tries to dribble through a wall, he got alot of talent, it's just that he needs to not try so hard and instead pass himself out of the problems quicker
I don't have any doubt that Memphis will come good... He has shown plenty of moments of quality, it just hasn't been sustained throughout a match or consistent. He's clearly still getting to grips with the league, and that'll take time. He gets in plenty of good positions even when he's out of form, so once he gets his confidence back I'm sure he'll start banging in the goals. He's not on the same level of Martial is, but then again, I don't think there's a u21 player in the world who is. Once he gets more accustomed to the league and at United, he'll be fine though.
I can only judge what we've been given and not speculate speculations. The match against Everton was the best performance of the season and Memphis was nowhere to be seen. Tbh, if it were up to me, neither Rooney nor Memphis would start but I accept that Rooney will all the time because he is such an important player at the club. Memphis truly deserves to be benched right now, he's been really bad. I'd rather have Rooney/Martial in any combo than have Memphis start and play with either of them at the moment.
next season Memphis will be fine I feel. He started almost all matches so far....he has the talent. Needs to be tougher mentally.
Smalling is one of the best defenders in the world now?
Absolutely. I can't name five centre-backs who have been better than him this season so far in Europe. Can you? He's been outstanding.
And I watch way too much football all acroos the top leagues.
Shouldn't we first wait for 2-3 great seasons before putting such claim?
I said so far this season, so why wait 2-3 great seasons? I haven't put in a bold claim like 'he's been one of the best in the world for three seasons's running'. His current level is world class and top 5 in Europe IMO, that's all I'm saying. But I'm going off topic here...
How many leagues do you follow?
One of them is a footballing freak who the club spent a mini fortune on for what is now obvious reasons, and the other is a regular developing 21 year old prospect. There's no contest currently.
Give Depay time and in sure he'll reach a high enough level though. LVG hasn't being starting him up until now for nothing.
Give Depay time and in sure he'll reach a high enough level though. LVG hasn't being starting him up until now for nothing.
Totally agreed. Smalling has been superb, one of the best CB around Europe, at least out of the top tier teams.
What i dislike about Memphis is his general attitude and lifestyle. Not that i have anything against it, but I have seen it so many times, that i just can't fool myself again, not when a footballer has it. While he is still young and has the time to sort it out, i think if he is to be a great player he needs to settle down. I do believe a lot in Martial's type of player tough with that Bergkampesque coolness he has.
I regularly watch Premier League (obviously), Championship (Friday evening games), Bundesliga, 2nd German Bundesliga, La Liga (only Barcelona, Real, Atletico TBH), Serie A (mainly Roma, Juventus and Milan) and the odd PSG and/or Marseille game. I also follow my local team in a crappy European league ;-)
Ahhh a man after my own heart (except Serie A - I can't watch Italian footy at all).
Who's your local team?
Think Memphis is just taking a bit longer to settle, Martial flying on having the great impact at the start. Memphis was excellent for us in Europe qualifyers
This and the other Memphis thread is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read.
I swear the only criticism Memphis is getting is in the context of:
"I don't understand the criticism he's getting, he's not been great and has some things to improve but that's only because he's young and learning".
Which in turn seems to invite people to post something of the same ilk.
I swear the only criticism Memphis is getting is in the context of:
"I don't understand the criticism he's getting, he's not been great and has some things to improve but that's only because he's young and learning".
Which in turn seems to invite people to post something of the same ilk.
Funny how things can turn quickly - Martial looks to be the one who can contribute to the team from day one while Memphis is struggling. I thought it would be the other way around.
Memphis clearly expected his natural athleticism to carry him as it did in Holland, and it is in Europe. Now hes realising PL defenders are a match for him physically and he needs to develop his game more.
Martial has that extremely rare ability to just ghost past people without any fuss. You cant train that and you cant really defend against it either.
Martial has that extremely rare ability to just ghost past people without any fuss. You cant train that and you cant really defend against it either.
Memphis need to keep it simple at least for now,once he gets on with pace of the league he would be brilliant.
Martial right now one step ahead of the defenders,he's focused with the job and executes it efficiently.
Martial right now one step ahead of the defenders,he's focused with the job and executes it efficiently.
I wish I have so much time :jealous:
Three months are not enough to claim someone as one of the best in the world. A key ingredient to that billing is consistency. That takes more than three months. I like Smalling but people tend to go overboard with players here, either negatively or positively.
Good thing he had Ranieri then...
To be fair, he's been great ever since the sending off vs City almost a year ago.
Jardim has been very good with the young players, they definitely improved, Martial for example is a lot more disciplined and he works more for the team.I agree, and I am glad. But if he makes one mistake, the same people will turn against him and call him terrible. They were people calling for him to be sold after that game. He first needs to prove himself against us the top top talent to attain that status. Wouldnt you just relish Messi v Smalling?
Yeah well that's just the way of the Caf unfortunately. But I agree, if we reach the final stages of the CL this year it should give us more of an indication as to just how good he is.I agree, and I am glad. But if he makes one mistake, the same people will turn against him and call him terrible. They were people calling for him to be sold after that game. He first needs to prove himself against us the top top talent to attain that status. Wouldnt you just relish Messi v Smalling?
Haha, not really mate. It would be interesting to see though!
And he would actually get better by being tested against that class of players..If he could keep Messi in his back-pocket, what a moment that would be for him. I am also not very comfortable facing Barca yet, but one day that would be a sight to relish.
Looks like rough sailing ahead for Memphis. He's on a warning from LvG about not following the "philosophy" whatever that means.
Even if Rooney does play well and does score against City, there will still be negative opinions that tend to the extreme about him on here. That you can definitely count on.
If you want to keep Herrera on the field (which I believe in), then they are competing for the same position given Rooney's status. And I would pick Martial in that case, as you even stated.
Problem is, Van Gaal has already stated that he prefers a second striker for the numer 10 position, so even with this form I don't think Herrera will last long in the starting eleven, sadly. It clearly depends on the opposition and whether we need another body in midfield or not, but I think Rooney will play behind Martial in most games.
Memphis is trying too hard to be the protagonist. He needs to settle down, work on the basics and things will come together for him eventually.
Martial does seem to have better natural abilities, but striker is the hardest position in football, so he'll come into dry patches and whether he can work himself out of those will determine his standing as a player.
Martial does seem to have better natural abilities, but striker is the hardest position in football, so he'll come into dry patches and whether he can work himself out of those will determine his standing as a player.
Attitude is the difference between them at the moment.
Memphis is still trying too hard, whereas Martial looks Berbatov-esque at times and probably isnt effected by the media attention as he speaks no english.
Memphis is still trying too hard, whereas Martial looks Berbatov-esque at times and probably isnt effected by the media attention as he speaks no english.
Attitude is hardly the only difference. Martial looks streets above as an attacking player.
Too soon way too soon for this
This. There is huge difference in their ability. Huge.