MEN banned from the press conference today | Some journalists banned for running articles without approaching United for comment first

You really just have to look at him to see that's all he is.


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A tory mp?
 
Half of them are just sh*t stirring trying to turn the players against each other, against the manager and the fans against both.

Most journalists are exactly what you describe - a lot more than the 4 who got banned. So why them ?
 
Most journalists are exactly what you describe - a lot more than the 4 who got banned. So why them ?
Isn't it all about printing stories without giving United a chance to comment. Journalists, that is pushing it a bit, are more like gossip columunist than sports writers nowadays.
 
Isn't it all about printing stories without giving United a chance to comment. Journalists, that is pushing it a bit, are more like gossip columunist than sports writers nowadays.

I am sorry - but that is just BS from the club. Let's just say that these writers are correct - and any of them go to United and ask for a comment - what will United say ? That there isn't an inch of truth in the stories. It reminds me of that story with OGS and the Spurs-rumours in 97-98. In a moment of frustration during an international break - OGS told a local reporter that he thought of leaving United due to lack of game-time. The reporter whose paper was the equivalent to Stockport Daily or Salford Gazette - thought he had got the scoop of a lifetime, whereas OGS realized that the comment would not go down well with Ferguson so he backtracked. The reporter printed the story and OGS claimed it was a lie - but admitted several years later that it was correct, and that he had felt really bad about accusing the reporter of lying but he feared Ferguson would kick him out.

United, just like reporters will say and do what is best for them - and even if there are 5-6-7 players who want ETH gone - they will of course never admit it. So if you print a story like this - true or not, there is no point to contact the club -. because the club will deny it - true or not.
 
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the patterns of play

Ferguson had a plan on how he wanted to play - at times he didnt have good enough players - but the plan was always there. 2 wingers - 2 attacking fullbacks, 2 box-to-box midfielders, a striking partnership. Sure he tweeked it at times, but that was always his preferred way of playing.
 
Most journalists are exactly what you describe - a lot more than the 4 who got banned. So why them ?
4 is a good sample size. And United have already said the why

"We believe this is an important principle to defend and we hope it can lead to a re-set in the way we work together."

It is a fair warning for all journalists to be fair and not go about spouting whatever they want just because club won't react.
 
Why do people care about what the media or rival fans think of this? This is part of the problem, some people put too much stock into what the media says.
 
The absolute brass neck of MEN.. if they cared about the club as much as they propose to, they’d get in touch with the club directly and point out which players are selling stories from inside the dressing room, instead they choose to publish said stories to stir the pot and see what sticks, then when the club decides enough is enough.. they’re actually paragons of virtue and its the clubs fault for not looking closer to home???
Parasites…they should be boycotted for this kind of stuff
We should do what City do and ask them to justify every word they print

You’re not actually being serious here, right?
 
This is the kind of move that looks fine when the club as a whole is in a good condition, but having a bad run of form e.g. under Fergie. But when the club is struggling, it just looks like pathetic flailing.
 
Some of you lot would fit right at MEN. Spouting stuff like club shouldn't have done this when ETH was struggling to get some wins. How can we do this when the club admins have been failing at recruitment.
Just waiting for someone to say the journos should not be banned when OT needs to fix its leaking roof.
 
We all predicted a fight would be picked with a player next, who knew EtH was thinking on a much bigger scale and targeting the media.

Sure he hasn’t made this decision alone but it’s a massive mistake. You do things like this when you have cache and job security. The wolves will be circling round him like we’ve never seen before.

He’s not SAF or Jose, he’s not built for this beef.

Bits in bold.

Only mistake was it should have been done sooner. Underestimating him if you think he's not built for it. His very first press conference he showed he was a no nonsense character.
 
I understand what you mean but journalism is also not checking only one side, if there even is one. This is just lazy journalism and even if it is true which wouldn't be surprising, his text just smells like he is just fishing for reactions. Nothing else. Just pure negativity. You can even look at what he wrote today. He knows what he did. You can really feel desperation.

As a newspaper, talk about Munchen, talk about other stuff to get our emotions are really low class. They should make a apology tonight. Disgusting. Or our club should ban them even more. They talk about that they represent us. They don't. They represent them self. Nobody else. We don't need them to tell us what is happening at our club. We have our own sources. If they want to be journalists, they have lot to learn from former journalists.

The text involving Munich is indeed terrible. But the earlier one is fine. You can't really check "both sides". You can't ask ETH: Some players/staff are unhappy, can you confirm/deny?

Obviously if people think that a reporter is just inventing things, then there's nowhere to go with the discussion. But most don't, especially ones who work for decent media outlets. Over the past decade we've have loads of inside stories about problems at United and while supporters regularly tried to dismiss them as nonsense, they probably tended to be more right than wrong.
 
If it comes from people at the club, it's not speculation.
The issue is that they haven't taken the basic journalistic decency to corroborate reports.
 
How do you know that?
Because they failed to corroborate this with the club. They are also exagerrative, unless you think they had a direct word from 50% of the dressing room.
 
Journalism is supposed to be investigating and reporting the truth (using actual evidence) about matters of interest to the reading public. Not gutter ball narcissitic sh*t stirring

This is football journalism. Reporting of problems within teams is part of the job. That will be based on things you hear from people who are part of thost teams. People who will always do it annonymously beacause they'll want to keep their jobs. You're not going to get "actual evidence".

You have to trust the reporter that he's doing his job professionally. Or not trust him and disregard everything he writes.
 
This is football journalism. Reporting of problems within teams is part of the job. That will be based on things you hear from people who are part of thost teams. People who will always do it annonymously beacause they'll want to keep their jobs. You're not going to get "actual evidence".

You have to trust the reporter that he's doing his job professionally. Or not trust him and disregard everything he writes.
The journalists that have been banned have a familiar track record of waiting until we lose before giving notes of dressing room unrest. It's quite obvious that they are not reporting impartial news but are waiting for predatory clickbaits.

It's also evident their sources are from those frozen out. Who do you think said sancho is "training like a beast"?
 
Because they failed to corroborate this with the club. They are also exagerrative, unless you think they had a direct word from 50% of the dressing room.

There's a difference between asking for a comment and corroborating.

They should have asked he club to comment, but you can't expect United to say 'Indeed, some players and staff have lost confidence in the manager'. True or not, it will never be said. And actually, the club will not really know what every single person thinks.

Corroborating is based on finding more than one source an the club who will say similar things. Only the reporter knows whether he did that or not.
 
There's a difference between asking for a comment and corroborating.

They should have asked he club to comment, but you can't expect United to say 'Indeed, some players and staff have lost confidence in the manager'. True or not, it will never be said. And actually, the club will not really know what every single person thinks.

Corroborating is based on finding more than one source an the club who will say similar things. Only the reporter knows whether he did that or not.
You can argue they likely did neither. Just follow their track record on what they've historically reported.
 
The journalists that have been banned have a familiar track record of waiting until we lose before giving notes of dressing room unrest. It's quite obvious that they are not reporting impartial news but are waiting for predatory clickbaits.

A) So? Do they work for United and need to show support when we're down?
B) Just like with fans, moods in the dressing room tend to be dictated by results. So it would hardly be a shock if there's unrest when we lose.

It's also evident their sources are from those frozen out. Who do you think said sancho is "training like a beast"?

The Sancho thing is evident with one article and is indeed silly. But it's just one player and one issue.
 
You can argue they likely did neither. Just follow their track record on what they've historically reported.

I am also using my eyes: Someone is clearly wrong at United. So it's not a shock to read those reports.
 
The text involving Munich is indeed terrible. But the earlier one is fine. You can't really check "both sides". You can't ask ETH: Some players/staff are unhappy, can you confirm/deny?

Obviously if people think that a reporter is just inventing things, then there's nowhere to go with the discussion. But most don't, especially ones who work for decent media outlets. Over the past decade we've have loads of inside stories about problems at United and while supporters regularly tried to dismiss them as nonsense, they probably tended to be more right than wrong.
You always need to ask the other part and if they don't want to comment just put that in you text. Something like declined to comment on the issue. It is not hard. Professional. This falling of standards are showing everywhere. Not just journalism. People don't seem to have honour in their work. It is all about self promotion. That is why he wrote other article like he did.

I don't know if he invents things or not. What can be read from his previous articles is that he likes to write about negativity when it comes to ManUtd.
 
A) So? Do they work for United and need to show support when we're down?
B) Just like with fans, moods in the dressing room tend to be dictated by results. So it would hardly be a shock if there's unrest when we lose.
What do you mean so? If they are literally waiting for us to lose before giving leaks of unrest isn't it obvious what they're doing? It should be.

There isn't unrest every time we lose, but they report it far too often. That's my point.
The Sancho thing is evident with one article and is indeed silly. But it's just one player and one issue.
Players like Sancho are the bread and butter sources of these mugs. That's why all they would ever post is negativity.
 
I am also using my eyes: Someone is clearly wrong at United. So it's not a shock to read those reports.
Of course and I agree, but that doesn't mean the extent of the issues relate to truth in the journalists words. They say there is unrest like a washing machine cycle, it should be dead obvious what they're doing.

The smarter ones like Mitten, Winter, Reddy have actually tweeted along the lines of being bored of the leaks and critically analysing the true problems at the club. That's journalism. Not what these idiots have done.

It's like me going to America speaking to a racist and saying damn, America is racist. That's basically what Luckhurst and the others have done when they give their leaks, and they can turn around and say hey we have someone close at the club saying it.
 
What do you mean so? If they are literally waiting for us to lose before giving leaks of unrest isn't it obvious what they're doing? It should be.

There isn't unrest every time we lose, but they report it far too often. That's my point.

Look at this forum whenever we lost (Or win despite playing badly...). People are people. I wouldn't say that defeats bring automatic unrest. I would say that the unrest is always there and that naturally it's expressed more clearly after bad results when emotions are raw.
 
The smarter ones like Mitten, Winter, Reddy have actually tweeted along the lines of being bored of the leaks and critically analysing the true problems at the club. That's journalism. Not what these idiots have done.

Hearing from sources at the club what is happening IS journalism. If it's done well enough, with different sources, etc.

I'd say the true problem is that people just aren't happy with what they are hearing.
 
Look at this forum whenever we lost (Or win despite playing badly...). People are people. I wouldn't say that defeats bring automatic unrest. I would say that the unrest is always there and that naturally it's expressed more clearly after bad results when emotions are raw.
If ten hag lost the dressing room like has been chronically reported, we wouldn't have won the games we did. There's a ton of hyperbole in what those journalists have written.
 
MEN referencing the Munich Air Disaster and a black and white photo of Old Trafford. Absolutely pathetic.
 
For those defending MEN and Journalistic freedom of speech. Why are there so many sources banned in the caf?

Because in this day and age of internet and social media, it's easy for anyone to write absolute crap and send it worldwide within seconds. Doesn't mean the more serious media outlets are like that.
 
Hearing from sources at the club what is happening IS journalism. If it's done well enough, with different sources, etc.

I'd say the true problem is that people just aren't happy with what they are hearing.
It's not about being happy or unhappy. The banned journalists were not respected by many on the caf before Ten Hag took charge.

It's about them being inept at critically analysing the issue and having more than one side of the story to give more educated views.
 
Because in this day and age of internet and social media, it's easy for anyone to write absolute crap and send it worldwide within seconds. Doesn't mean the more serious media outlets are like that.

Ok, so in that case the club as an entity and business are in the right to ban such crap.