horsechoker
The Caf's Ezza.
A tory mp?You really just have to look at him to see that's all he is.
A tory mp?You really just have to look at him to see that's all he is.
Half of them are just sh*t stirring trying to turn the players against each other, against the manager and the fans against both.
Isn't it all about printing stories without giving United a chance to comment. Journalists, that is pushing it a bit, are more like gossip columunist than sports writers nowadays.Most journalists are exactly what you describe - a lot more than the 4 who got banned. So why them ?
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the patterns of playYes hard - but every single player respected him and ran their socks off for him
Isn't it all about printing stories without giving United a chance to comment. Journalists, that is pushing it a bit, are more like gossip columunist than sports writers nowadays.
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the patterns of play
4 is a good sample size. And United have already said the whyMost journalists are exactly what you describe - a lot more than the 4 who got banned. So why them ?
The absolute brass neck of MEN.. if they cared about the club as much as they propose to, they’d get in touch with the club directly and point out which players are selling stories from inside the dressing room, instead they choose to publish said stories to stir the pot and see what sticks, then when the club decides enough is enough.. they’re actually paragons of virtue and its the clubs fault for not looking closer to home???
Parasites…they should be boycotted for this kind of stuff
We should do what City do and ask them to justify every word they print
These days you can get banned from Old Trafford for being male.
We all predicted a fight would be picked with a player next, who knew EtH was thinking on a much bigger scale and targeting the media.
Sure he hasn’t made this decision alone but it’s a massive mistake. You do things like this when you have cache and job security. The wolves will be circling round him like we’ve never seen before.
He’s not SAF or Jose, he’s not built for this beef.
Different generation of players who put football first, not this lot of entrepreneursYes hard - but every single player respected him and ran their socks off for him
I understand what you mean but journalism is also not checking only one side, if there even is one. This is just lazy journalism and even if it is true which wouldn't be surprising, his text just smells like he is just fishing for reactions. Nothing else. Just pure negativity. You can even look at what he wrote today. He knows what he did. You can really feel desperation.
As a newspaper, talk about Munchen, talk about other stuff to get our emotions are really low class. They should make a apology tonight. Disgusting. Or our club should ban them even more. They talk about that they represent us. They don't. They represent them self. Nobody else. We don't need them to tell us what is happening at our club. We have our own sources. If they want to be journalists, they have lot to learn from former journalists.
It's not journalism if it's speculation, or not true, it's lies, and too many fans are too quick to believe the lies that the media push out.
The issue is that they haven't taken the basic journalistic decency to corroborate reports.If it comes from people at the club, it's not speculation.
The issue is that they haven't taken the basic journalistic decency to corroborate reports.
Because they failed to corroborate this with the club. They are also exagerrative, unless you think they had a direct word from 50% of the dressing room.How do you know that?
Journalism is supposed to be investigating and reporting the truth (using actual evidence) about matters of interest to the reading public. Not gutter ball narcissitic sh*t stirring
The journalists that have been banned have a familiar track record of waiting until we lose before giving notes of dressing room unrest. It's quite obvious that they are not reporting impartial news but are waiting for predatory clickbaits.This is football journalism. Reporting of problems within teams is part of the job. That will be based on things you hear from people who are part of thost teams. People who will always do it annonymously beacause they'll want to keep their jobs. You're not going to get "actual evidence".
You have to trust the reporter that he's doing his job professionally. Or not trust him and disregard everything he writes.
Because they failed to corroborate this with the club. They are also exagerrative, unless you think they had a direct word from 50% of the dressing room.
You can argue they likely did neither. Just follow their track record on what they've historically reported.There's a difference between asking for a comment and corroborating.
They should have asked he club to comment, but you can't expect United to say 'Indeed, some players and staff have lost confidence in the manager'. True or not, it will never be said. And actually, the club will not really know what every single person thinks.
Corroborating is based on finding more than one source an the club who will say similar things. Only the reporter knows whether he did that or not.
The journalists that have been banned have a familiar track record of waiting until we lose before giving notes of dressing room unrest. It's quite obvious that they are not reporting impartial news but are waiting for predatory clickbaits.
It's also evident their sources are from those frozen out. Who do you think said sancho is "training like a beast"?
You can argue they likely did neither. Just follow their track record on what they've historically reported.
You always need to ask the other part and if they don't want to comment just put that in you text. Something like declined to comment on the issue. It is not hard. Professional. This falling of standards are showing everywhere. Not just journalism. People don't seem to have honour in their work. It is all about self promotion. That is why he wrote other article like he did.The text involving Munich is indeed terrible. But the earlier one is fine. You can't really check "both sides". You can't ask ETH: Some players/staff are unhappy, can you confirm/deny?
Obviously if people think that a reporter is just inventing things, then there's nowhere to go with the discussion. But most don't, especially ones who work for decent media outlets. Over the past decade we've have loads of inside stories about problems at United and while supporters regularly tried to dismiss them as nonsense, they probably tended to be more right than wrong.
What do you mean so? If they are literally waiting for us to lose before giving leaks of unrest isn't it obvious what they're doing? It should be.A) So? Do they work for United and need to show support when we're down?
B) Just like with fans, moods in the dressing room tend to be dictated by results. So it would hardly be a shock if there's unrest when we lose.
Players like Sancho are the bread and butter sources of these mugs. That's why all they would ever post is negativity.The Sancho thing is evident with one article and is indeed silly. But it's just one player and one issue.
Of course and I agree, but that doesn't mean the extent of the issues relate to truth in the journalists words. They say there is unrest like a washing machine cycle, it should be dead obvious what they're doing.I am also using my eyes: Someone is clearly wrong at United. So it's not a shock to read those reports.
What do you mean so? If they are literally waiting for us to lose before giving leaks of unrest isn't it obvious what they're doing? It should be.
There isn't unrest every time we lose, but they report it far too often. That's my point.
The smarter ones like Mitten, Winter, Reddy have actually tweeted along the lines of being bored of the leaks and critically analysing the true problems at the club. That's journalism. Not what these idiots have done.
If ten hag lost the dressing room like has been chronically reported, we wouldn't have won the games we did. There's a ton of hyperbole in what those journalists have written.Look at this forum whenever we lost (Or win despite playing badly...). People are people. I wouldn't say that defeats bring automatic unrest. I would say that the unrest is always there and that naturally it's expressed more clearly after bad results when emotions are raw.
For those defending MEN and Journalistic freedom of speech. Why are there so many sources banned in the caf?
It's not about being happy or unhappy. The banned journalists were not respected by many on the caf before Ten Hag took charge.Hearing from sources at the club what is happening IS journalism. If it's done well enough, with different sources, etc.
I'd say the true problem is that people just aren't happy with what they are hearing.
If ten hag lost the dressing room like has been chronically reported, we wouldn't have won the games we did.
Because in this day and age of internet and social media, it's easy for anyone to write absolute crap and send it worldwide within seconds. Doesn't mean the more serious media outlets are like that.