In a nutshell, because though he said he wanted out in August, SAF and Gill thought they would be able to convince him to stay. Might have assumed at that stage he was just posturing to try and get more money.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
You did get a rough ride although some of it was good crack, I would say what is happening now will take the heat off Tevez and I do agree his alleged betrayal will pale to insignificance compared to Rooney. It is sad thoughhaha...just took a step back for a while. Just read posts and didn't comment...waited til the hate died down.
Mourinho's just said he doesn't see Rooney leaving but, "if he's for sale they should call me."
We have a habit of striking back when people least expect it though. Remember 06/07? We were predicted to finish fourth, and even fifth by a lot of people. "Where are the goals going to come from?". We ended up having arguably our best season this side of the century in terms of playing excellent football. That's why I'm not too worried. And I'm not worried that SAF will quit just yet either. He'll keep going until his health stops him, and as far as I know he doesn't have any problems in that department.
I doubt we'll win the PL this year, but with a bit of investment in the squad next summer, preferably in the central midfield, left wing and a striker, and we'll be back with a vengeance.
There's no such thing as an irreplaceable player.
I doubt we'll win the PL this year, but with a bit of investment in the squad next summer, preferably in the central midfield, left wing and a striker, and we'll be back with a vengeance.
There's no such thing as an irreplaceable player.
Apologies if this has been posted already.
An Open Letter to Wayne Rooney | Manchester United Blog | The Stretty Rant
An Open Letter to Wayne Rooney | Manchester United Blog | The Stretty Rant
Apologies if posted, but this article sums up things nicely imo:
No one man is bigger than the club. feck Rooney, United will never die
The rate it is going we should be there by Friday
i know, i was jesting with the lad
IF Rooney joins City, what will him and Tevez have in common?
A> they're both pig ugly!
The Daily Mail is reporting the reason Rooney wants out is the lack of ambition being displayed by the club. We are too cheap, is the wording. Basically, he looked around the dressing room and didnt think what he saw was up to scratch.
Even if Rooney comes out and says hes not looking to join another club but he needs a break from football to care for dying puppies and will return I will still maintain hes a great player but not world class - unless he does something where i think "yeah hes lived up to that potential we when he first arrived"
I mean honestly can anyone sit here and say Rooney has developed exactly how they expected him to? That kid who could dribble past players and beat men for fun, shooting and scoring from outside the box, picking players out with the accuracy of a Scholes is long gone and that kid was definately on the path of being world class, the guy who plays for us now while talented isnt world class
If he came out now and said he's fecked up and he wants to stay and sign a 5 year contract I for one would be happy. There's a lot of drama from the usual suspects in here at the moment, and a lot of nasty shit being said. Don't get me wrong; if he goes on to join city then fine, he deserves all he gets, but I'm biding my time.
SAF says it was out of the blue (ahem) so we had no sale/purchase lined up.
The fans are upset now imagine if we'd sold him without a fight or a warning in August - anger at the management, the owners, all hell would have been let loose.
SAF may even have thought he could get a "tired/depressed after the WC failure" Rooney to cheer up and sign.
Great white knight? feck off with your childish fanboi-esque comments and read my posts.
I'm not defending Rooney whatsoever. Y'know why i'm not? Because we don't know the full story! It's a shame that you and the rest of the clowns that did exactly the same after the Beckham red card and the Ronaldo winker incident haven't learned a thing and can't take a similar stance.
How the feck do you know that nothing has been said to SAF/the club other than that he wants to leave? Are you really that naive?
I would reckon he will blame it on the Glazer's to and try and get some sympathy from the fans, I hate the Glazer's with a passion but they have nothing to do with this git leaving the club and he is not getting away with that one. The Glazer's are probably the only one's pleased Rooney is leaving, 50m more down the interest blackhole
It would smack of a hell of a big gamble if that were the case.
Fergie used the word "adamant" today, I think.
There's shit going on here that we don't know about. Not even a hothead like Rooney does something like this, surely?
I hear the arguments that he might be disillusioned by our lack of spending but you'd at least give a manager like Fergie the benefit of the doubt on that score, surely and you'd ask for some reassurances before you just demanded a transfer.
In any case, why didn't Rooney himself put in a transfer request if he felt that strongly?
Posturing perhaps but Fergie's comments today have surely put paid to that being a possibility. If it was posturing and negotiations were ongoing then surely Fergie would have come out today and said something along the lines of, "Rooney is injured and out of form, that is why I have left him out recently. He wants to stay at United and contract talks are in progress as we speak."
I'd like to hear Rooney's side of the story before making full judgement but if it turns out that he goes to City and is on £250k/week then that will be all the evidence I need about what has happened here.
I still think there's a twist in all of this.
Since when does an implication equate to evidence?Apologies if posted, but this article sums up things nicely imo:
No one man is bigger than the club. feck Rooney, United will never die
Cant see that happening Nick but yeah, if he comes out and says "sorry everyone, it has been the worst couple of months of my life, I have been under immense pressure and didnt know which way was up, but I realise I have been an idiot and all i want to do now is sign and prove my worth and get back into the team," then I will be a very happy man.
And everyone on here will agree he is world class again, as they though a few weeks ago.
And everyone on here will agree he is world class again, as they though a few weeks ago.
Most definitely
I think it's time for us all to take a step back and stop being drama queens. It's not the end of the world. No matter how good he may be at the end of the he's just a football player who will be replaced. United will continue winning trophies with or without him.
The thing is that Rooney informed the Club he wanted out in August. So why didn't we sell him then? Because it was too late in the transfer market and SAF hoped to persuade him otherwise. And he says he asked Rooney to "honor his contract and respect the traditions of the Club".
So why has it all blown up now? Because Rooneys personal life and poor form caused him to be dropped. On Sat Rooney expected to play and Coleen and Kai were pictured at the match - she was pictured smiling happily. But Rooney was on the bench. That must have been the last straw in Rooneys tiny mind and he authorized Stretford to brief the press on Sunday.
To me, that was a despicable thing to do, especially as it was hinted by Rooney's camp that SAF had mistreated him.
But SAF has turned the tables on him. By being totally open and honest in the press conference today, SAF has put the ball right back in Rooneys court. He has got to come clean now and tell us the real reason.
Rooney has crossed the line as far as I am concerned. I never want to see him in our shirt again.
So why has it all blown up now? Because Rooneys personal life and poor form caused him to be dropped. On Sat Rooney expected to play and Coleen and Kai were pictured at the match - she was pictured smiling happily. But Rooney was on the bench. That must have been the last straw in Rooneys tiny mind and he authorized Stretford to brief the press on Sunday.
To me, that was a despicable thing to do, especially as it was hinted by Rooney's camp that SAF had mistreated him.
But SAF has turned the tables on him. By being totally open and honest in the press conference today, SAF has put the ball right back in Rooneys court. He has got to come clean now and tell us the real reason.
Rooney has crossed the line as far as I am concerned. I never want to see him in our shirt again.
Won't happen, though. If this was a possiblity, Fergie wouldn't have talked about it.
Exactly.
If true that makes him a bigger wanker, he actually thinks he knows better than SAF? Thicker than we thought then.
I think Alan Green said it perfectly tonight (never thought id say that) that if Rooney really felt that the quality in the dressing room had dropped its up to him after all the good United have done for him to help the cause rather than jump ship.
That would be bullshit, surely. You'd wait until the end of the transfer window, not the 14th of August to drop the bombshell.
To answer the last bit first, yes I agree, there is something in this we dont know, it doesnt add up.
But to go back, I think we know now it isnt posturing. But the question wasnt about now, it was about August.
So basically, comments made in August, SAF thinks shit, Ill have to talk him around, throughout September he tries, meanwhile Rooney's form is poor, his stance isnt changing, his representative are refusing to even sit down and talk, into October and now Rooney is saying strange things to the press that are designed to bring the situation to a head, eventually you accept defeat and go public.
The situation evolves.
Bollox, read through past threads on Rooney and you'll see lots of posters who doubt that Rooney is world class.
For me he always blows too hot and cold to be labelled WC, how many times have we heard "he just needs a goal", and how many times do we talk about "the perfect partner to get the most out of Wayne"??
Unusual for Green all right, no the quality of the squad will be a lame excuse and will flat on its face, the wrath of the biggest club in the world awaits him and will haunt him. No getting out of this
SAF has just performed a wonderous piece of management, which most of the British press are in awe of. He also left the door wide open to Rooney should he decide to stay. In spite of what you may like to believe - you don't always know best.
What really is your point?
Rooney says he doesn't want to play for the club. So everybody is saying feck off Wayne, even if you piss off, we'll be still here, coz the club is bigger than the player.
More importantly, last season is a season that people point to and say "thats world class" while i have my doubts about that i'll admit never-the-less it was a great season by him but it was arguebly only one great season at the club out of his 6, the likes of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, Zidane... only got that title after years of consistancy at that level, Rooneys got one and hes world class for it?
While your point is correct, he was getting at the fact that people have already made up their minds that he is a cnut before knowing anything at all about the situation and the same people, if it turns out he hasn't been as much of a cnut as they thought, will take him back as the "Wazza" we have all loved over the years.
Yes, this can be the only explanation. I suppose it depended on how "adamant" Rooney appeared in August. Fergie said "he intimated to me in his own way" - now I don't profess to know Rooney personally but "his own way" doesn't lend itself to the word "intimated", I wouldn't have thought.
It put Fergie in one hell of a position though with just 2 weeks of the window left.yes and no. I blame the Glazers to some extent. I blame them that we are so overreliant on Rooney. I blame them that we have not seen any of the Ronaldo money spent on reinforcements. If we werent saddled with debt I think we would have a better squad that we do.
But even if we were still a plc we wouldnt be able to compete with City in terms of the wages they can offer. And that has to be a big part of this. It feels like the most plausible explanation anyway.
But I agree with others who have said it feels like there is a big part of this that hasnt come out yet. There is something else going on.
And yes, Cutch, the timing of Rooney's original declaration is all wrong. It doesnt back up what the mail is saying, that is just his pr people trying to paint him in a favourable light.
How insightful. Funnily enough that's the reaction most of your posts bring about.
I am aware people are saying today they dont think he is WC.
A few weeks ago most people wouldnt have said that. Whether you personally would have, I couldnt begin to guess. But there is a large proportion of people on here trying to rewrite history. I guess they are hedging themselves, emotionally. Fair enough, I guess.
Blaming the Glazers for this is retarded, you should work for MUST
Good posts guys.
Personally it won't be that simple. I've never been a kneejerk and I ALWAYS stand on the "optimistic" side (although I'd say I'm just a realist amongst a tide of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime) but this is too much for me from Wayne.
The cheating allegations I sort of refused to believe because they were only allegations and I simply didn't want to believe them. I said that if they turned out to be true I'd hate the man but still support the footballer (like I do with Rio) but if they weren't then I'd get on with it, especially because I never said anything bad about him at the time.
Now he's gone and done this and it's sort of broken beyond repair. He deliberately sought out the media while on international duty (note the cowardice) to go against Sir Alex's word. Obviously we now know what's come out over the past three days as well.
I'm still not going to come out and insult him because he's still our player and I'd love for him to score a hat-trick in this years CL final, grabbing us the win. However, I think he's seriously jeopardised any chance he had of being a club legend and, beyond that, has lost the respect - let alone love - we had. If he comes out, turns around and apologises tomorrow it'll be a wonderful gesture and will help repair things, but it's like a ceramic plate that's been broken. That crack will always be there and there'll be times when we'll look at the plate and all we'll see is that crack.
I think anyone who's had a girlfriend who's said she wants to end it knows this feeling. You can't win from here. The best you can hope for is an amicable split (we get a ton of cash, a valid reason [he feels his life in England is too difficult but he still loves the club and is sorry it's worked out like this] and he goes far away to a club we don't hate [Italian, preferably]) while there's the messy split or her turning around and saying that she wants to give it another go. It'll probably never be the same though.
What I'm trying to say here, in an emotional weave of words, is that I'm not going to say things I can't take back until after he's gone but I'll never forgot that he's said words that he can't take back. Until he leaves (at whatever age, be it retirement at 35) I won't say anything nasty and I'll support him, he'll even have a chance to regain my wholehearted support, but right now the respect is completely gone.
He has a reason and I can't properly judge him until he shares it.