Disagree. For how good Ronaldo is he is an egotistical diva on the pitch, he isn't a team player. Would he be able to make the same runs Neymar or Suarez make? Would he be able to beat players as easily as they can now? He'd wait for his teammates to do the hard work and for him to finish the work with a goal, the exact same he does now at Madrid. He might score a few more goals but his overall play would not change at all, he'd still be as useful as he is at Madrid.
Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar are the finalists for the Ballon D'Or
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Disagree. For how good Ronaldo is he is an egotistical diva on the pitch, he isn't a team player. Would he be able to make the same runs Neymar or Suarez make? Would he be able to beat players as easily as they can now? He'd wait for his teammates to do the hard work and for him to finish the work with a goal, the exact same he does now at Madrid. He might score a few more goals but his overall play would not change at all, he'd still be as useful as he is at Madrid.
Compared to Neymar and Suarez, clearly.
So you had to go back nearly 10 years to find your example, case closed.
Back when people weren't so blinded by stats.. That's an American culture influence on our sport..next thing we are shooting at eachother ok maybe yes
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Nah, I don't think you'll find many actual football fans who'll complain about him being in the top 3.
Messi should win by a landslide though.
Back when the topscorers didn't score 40+ as a minimum...
See maybe I'm still blinded by having watched him so much more at United than at Madrid, but it seems wide of the mark when people talk about him like some kind of Lineker-esque 6 yard box goal-hanger.
Maybe he wouldn't be aperfect fit for Barcelona - he doesn't play tika taka, but then do Barca still?
He can absolutely make the right runs (you just don't score that many goal without being able to do so) and beat players with ease - his transition from his early years into the goal-machine of the last 7 or 8 seasons hasn't meant he's lost those skills from what I've seen of him.
You haven't watched him play this season, have you?
Cal?, do you think Ronaldo should win it this year by a mile?
Would be happy if Neymar gets it. Messi likely deserves it, but Neymar has been phenomenal in this year. be it the previous season or this one.
I think that Suarez should have been there instead of Ronaldo.
I think that Suarez should have been there instead of Ronaldo.
No, the moment Juve won the CL SF, Messi had won it regardless of what he did for the remaining months of the year.
He did rather well in the entire year though.
Has to be Messi.
Next year should be fun. Especially to see where Neymar figures in the shame of things for the calendar year 2016.
Next year should be fun. Especially to see where Neymar figures in the shame of things for the calendar year 2016.
This year started in january. From January to September, Messi was miles ahead of everyone. Miles ahead. And even more from february to June, when everything is decided.
Neymar's been really good in those two months without Messi, but there's no way he's been better than Messi this year. And for me, clearly, Suarez is the second best player in the world ahead of Neymar.
People get hyped with Neymar because of his Ronaldinho-esque moves. He's very good and the third best in the world without a doubt, but he doesn't deserve this at all. He'll win it in the future though.
Not really, a great 2nd half of last season, a disappointing Copa America, followed by a less than inspired start to this season.
a dissapointing Copa America? and why is that?
a less than inspired start of the season? He's done well until he got injured.
He was good at Copa America and has been good this season until injury. You have this weird tendency to play down all major tournaments from players who did not score 1 penalty goal against Iran (which made Ronaldo's 2006 WC great).
a dissapointing Copa America? and why is that?
a less than inspired start of the season? He's done well until he got injured.
He score 1 penalty during the group stage in the entire Copa America, and for Argentina/Brazil, failure to win the damn thing should always be considered "disappointing". I don't see what's wrong with my comment.
Funny you should mention 1 penalty goal in the entire tournament, as that's exactly what Messi did in the Copa America too.
I think there's a strong argument for Neymar deserving it even more, but Messi will win. If Neymar keeps this up, maybe next year could see a new winner.
He score 1 penalty during the group stage in the entire Copa America, and for Argentina/Brazil, failure to win the damn thing should always be considered "disappointing". I don't see what's wrong with my comment.
Funny you should mention 1 penalty goal in the entire tournament, as that's exactly what Messi did in the Copa America too.
He's not responsible for Higuain not being able to finish in the final. The team let him down. He was sublime in the semifinal without scoring a goal in a 6-1 win.
Well, considering you had no issue calling that 2006 tournament great for Ronaldo where he only got 1 penalty goal and did not even get a medal, you shouldn't really be giving stick to Messi yet again. He's had two very good international tournaments in a row.
Messi will win it and Neymar should come 2nd but Ronaldo will instead.
How so? Neymar has only outperformed Messi while the latter was injured.
I'm gonna ask you this: Has he been bad against M. City in both legs of UCL last season? Because he didn't score.....
Messi was clearly superior overall, clearly in the CL run-in, making the difference especially in the tie against Bayern. And Messi actually had a very good copa even though it again ended sadly, while Neymar let down his nationalteam big time with his stupid red card. It was clearly Neymar's worst year playing for Brazil in quite a while. It would be really silly (albeit not surprising) if Messi doesn't win this one. Neymar's time will come soon enough, no need to rush him into an award just because he was brilliant in Messi's absence for a few weeks.
Disagree. Messi bossed it in the business end of the season leading to the treble. Ran the show in La Liga including the winner against Atletico which if I'm not mistake won them the league. That solo goal in the copa del rely final. Looking on a different level in most of the big cl games. Basically as long as Messi was fit he was on a different level to everyone else. Neymar also cost his team at the copa. 2016 could be closer with Neymar having lifted himself up a level plus you never know if Messi will sustain his level of 2015.
Considering Ronaldo was 21/22, playing in a Portugal side that are nowhere near favorites for that tournament... Now compare that to Messi who's supposedly the bestest player ever eve playing in an Argetina side who were clear favorites for the Copa.
I've already said I expect him to win it, I'm not sure why you're still upset about it.
I didn't say he's bad because he didn't score, I merely said he's not at his end of 14/15 level at the start of 15/16.
There really isn't, Leo has been streets ahead of anyone.
During the Copa America he was at that level for sure. Vs Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia & Paraguay again he was the man of the match. Vs Chile the whole team didn't play well and Messi made the play to win the tournment but Lavezzi and Higuain...bah, I don't want to remember that.
Anyway, he played really well at the Copa America.
No chance. There's much more money to be made off Neymar and 'bad boys' like Suarez or Ibrahimovic. This election happens to award the best footballer in the world quite often, but it's about something else.
If you say so, I admit I didn't see all the Copa games and on the highlights he didn't look particularly great.
You can apply that to every other player out there. It's not like he's playing with scrubs either, in fact they're the ones suffering more with his presence than the other way around.
It's more the Benitez effect than the players, nobody said anything about whatever effect under Ancelotti
Aye, because their record when Ronaldo doesn't play is excellent.
Last time he missed games was against Real Sociedad and Sevilla last season. They won both with great performances from Benzema and James.
But that wasn't the point anyway.
As far as I'm concerned having one truly great season is one thing (Suarez at LFC) but another to confirm your talent at another club and in another country. Suarez's consistent high level from Liverpool to Barca is what elevates him for me to a top 3 Ballon d'Or level.
Imagine if Suarez had taken Ronaldo's place. Having your front three as the best three players in the world would be something.
The way those three are playing wouldn't bet against it for next year's award.
Messi will win this one. Ronaldo has won his last Ballon D'Or and it will be the last time he's in the final three.
It's been between Messi and Ronaldo since 2008, now it'll be between Messi and Neymar for a few years.
It's been between Messi and Ronaldo since 2008, now it'll be between Messi and Neymar for a few years.
Weren't Messi, Iniesta and Xavi the 3 contenders in 2010 or something? Not a front three but as much a trio in every sense.