Probably his last chance at winning another CL. Of course if Barca replenish their squad they might be up there soon and again, but Messi is not athletic. He can't go on playing as a forward player, when his stamina is tanked.Lionel Messi broke down in tears after his dream of winning the Champions League for a fifth time with Barcelona collapsed against Liverpool.
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Disagree, Ronaldo's best years are behind him and Juventus will need a massive overhaul in midfield. Ramsey alone won't be enough. And Ronaldo will need to win CL to get another Ballon D'or.
I do think he's had a good season with Juventus this year.
They're getting De Jong and De Ligt this summer. If they can replace Suarez and a better manager they will get there.
But he only has 3-4 years left to win another CL.
Spot on. I do think barca should've scored at least ONE goal, but that backline turning into a playground isn't Messi's fault.
Changed my vote back from the little goat fecker to the real GOAT.
He had 48 goals last season ? And this year he will get to 30 which though is a massive drop is understand because of how bad juve are and there style of play along with it being a new league. I expect him to be back in the 40s next season. He has looked quicker and sharper this season to last and serie A is a more defensive league compared to la liga where teams play very open and don’t focus as much on defense.
Pretty insane from Ronaldo there. Is that stats from this included or was it last year?
He wasn't awful... and he was injured in both 2014 and 2016 finals.
Why do you think that happens? Magic? Luck?
I like how Messi is the one that plays with better teammates yet Ronaldo is the one whose teammates constantly bail him out
Bad teammates. Everyone was awful
Again even Eders can score in finals when Ronaldo doesn’t play
And yes he was awful in 2014 and 2016 and last year as well in the final. Can’t thjnk of any other star player who has that luxury and still get trophies out of it
Without Messi Barca don’t even have a big advantage going into yesterday
I’m not sure, but I’ll check it.
I'm not talking about yesterday. I'm talking about their careers.
You claim Ronaldo can afford to not show up and still go through because his teammates bail him out while Messi's teammates rarely bail him out.
I'll ask again because I really want to know. What is the cause of this mysterious phenomenon? Magic or pure luck?
"All of Barcelona's eight shots on goal against Liverpool were either taken by or directly created by Lionel Messi. "
Literally he is doing all the attacking on his own
He was also Barca's highest rated player on whoscored with a 7.2 in the match
Literally he is doing all the attacking on his own
He was also Barca's highest rated player on whoscored with a 7.2 in the match
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Maybe Real Madrid had more matchwinners than Barca?
And Portugal more than Argentina too, of course.
sure. I am not gonna give a serious response if you think he was awful. You're probably still recovering from the 100th Messi bottle job.Poor teammates. Look at Ronaldo with poor teammates, he can't get out of the QF.
In those finals? Of course Ronaldo was awful, Ramos and Bale finished the job
The point is Messi rarely rescues any game/tie for his team. Ronaldo did it recently against Atletico.
When did Messi last do it?
If he doesn't win a WC, Copa or at least a CL, he will not.
It'll be more about how he couldn't cut it at the highest level after dominating early on.
Real Madrid definitely have some sort of charm with the CL. I still don't know how that team managed to win 3 in a row.
What? But he's undoubtedly had better teammates throughout his career...
You've just said Eder bailed Ronaldo out but Messi's teammates don't bail him out because they're poor? How does that make sense?
Unless you think Suarez and Neymar are worse than Bale and Benzema while Higuain, Aguero and Tevez don't stack up against Postiga, Hugo Almeida and André Silva, how does that make any sense?
Messi is the one who had better teammates, yet he's also the one whose teammates refuse to bail him out. Weird how that works.
Main reason: they had the GOAT playing for them.
He's had better teammates on paper at various times in his career, but Ronaldo had the best midfield in the world. Again, look at Ronaldo with players who put in average performances. Look at Messi when players put in average performances. Literally the only game in recent history I can think of where was Messi was merely "decent" and Barca still got a huge CL win was with Neymar....one time.
Suarez hasn't scored in CL in over a year. Marcelo, Ramos and Benzema are amongst the all time highest scoring CL players at their various positions.
Ramos was amazing, but definitely a reach to call him the GOAT.
Chelsea last year, literally
An equalizer in the 1st leg, against the 5th placed English sides is all you can come up with?
Them, Liverpool and AC Milan just have something there. It is the culture of those clubs, their fans, history ... whatever you want to call it really. It just gives them a lift no other club has. The likes of us, Barcelona or Juventus need to be top quality to reach finals or win the CL. Usually, the latter teams win it in years where they dominate their domestic league as well. This barely ever applies to the former.
The difference is that Messi puts them in a position where tie doesn't need to be turned around because of he does his job. Ronaldo did it against Atletico that literally just lost 3-0 to Espanyol of all teams.
And Messi in CL this season >>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo
Not even close.
Is that what happened in all those QFs in recent years or last night?
Clearly a dead game in La Liga is the level Atletico should be judged at, makes perfect sense.
Exactly, this predates Ronaldo. From the five in a row when no one was around to finishing 5th in 2002 and winning it to the jammy 3 peat. They've lost what 3 of 16 finals? it's absurd especially when you compare to Juve or our record.
For two seasons at most. Messi had the best midfield of all time for 4 or 5...
And he didn't win it 3 times in a row then.
Those 'average performances' are a whole level apart.. Play offensive football so as to funnel their whole attack through Messi and then act surprised when things go to shit if he isn't having a good day. I mean, what else do you expect?
Would you trade Benzema for Suarez? Marcelo for Dani Alves? Modric for Iniesta? Kroos for Xavi? Bale for Neymar? Isco for Coutinho? Dembele for Asensio? Malcom for Vasquez? Busquets for Alonso or Casemiro? How can you even bring up teammates in this conversation when looking at the teammates they've had at both their clubs and internationally only makes Ronaldo's achievements bigger and Messi's smaller?
300 more million this summer on De Jong, De Ligt and whoever else and if Barca fail to win it all we're guaranteed to still hear about how Barcelona is just a shit one man team.
Err... we've only ever lost 2 finals.
I mean we've generally been unlucky in Europe. Leverkusen, Dortmund, Porto, Bayern so many instances where we could've gone throughErr... we've only ever lost 2 finals.
We've only ever won it when we're a great side.
This.
It's so annoying too.
We just don't have that lift in the CL that Liverpool seemingly do.
They have routinely destroyed the best teams in knockout ties. Even under Rafa, they beat Real 4-0 at Anfield.
Last time we smashed a team at OT in the CL iirc was Roma. We've rarely had those nights.
Imagine blaming Messi for thisFor two seasons at most. Messi had the best midfield of all time for 4 or 5...
And he didn't win it 3 times in a row then.
Those 'average performances' are a whole level apart.. Play offensive football so as to funnel their whole attack through Messi and then act surprised when things go to shit if he isn't having a good day. I mean, what else do you expect?
Would you trade Benzema for Suarez? Marcelo for Dani Alves? Modric for Iniesta? Kroos for Xavi? Bale for Neymar? Isco for Coutinho? Dembele for Asensio? Malcom for Vasquez? Busquets for Alonso or Casemiro? How can you even bring up teammates in this conversation when looking at the teammates they've had at both their clubs and internationally only makes Ronaldo's achievements bigger and Messi's smaller?
300 more million this summer on De Jong, De Ligt and whoever else and if Barca fail to win it all we're guaranteed to still hear about how Barcelona is just a shit one man team.
Like seriously, comfortably their best player yesterday and CREATED EVERYTHINGDid you miss how atrocious Suarez, Alba and Coutinho? Or how insanely crap the cowardly tactics from Valverde was?
And I'll take most of Ronaldo's squads over the past 5 years over Messi's.
Again, take an excellent midfield that Ronaldo had and he becomes incredibly ordinary. Not even his fault, everyone needs teammates to step up. Messi nearly single handedly took over this Liverpool tie with the advantage in the first leg.
Madrid have been insanely stacked in recent years and comfortably had the better depth as well. Pep era Barca were amazing, as were the front 3 of MSN, but Xavi left in 2015 and Iniesta had been declining for years.
Do we both root for Ajax now in the final? Cal? and I on the same side.We've only ever won it when we're a great side.
I literally did not in any way say that? What the hell are you on about? I didn't even talk about last night's game AT ALL. Did you misquote me?Imagine blaming Messi for this
Did you miss how atrocious Suarez, Alba and Coutinho? Or how insanely crap the cowardly tactics from Valverde was?
Again, when did I talk about last 5 years? I'm talking about their whole careers. Instead of actually agreeing or disagreeing, you choose a completely random amount of time and ignore the discussion completely by making random statements.
If you agree with what I'm saying, just say it. Don't completely shift the discussion to something completely irrelevant that's not even being argued.
Yeah, Pep era Barca were great... so were MSN Barca. But Neymar left two years ago. Not 5 or 6 years ago.
I actually admire the way you've written that so as to make it seem Neymar left in 2015 instead of 2017.
Throughout the entirity of their careers, Messi has no doubt had better teammates than Ronaldo yet it doesn't stop you from having enough shame to excuse his failures by blaming his teammates despite the fact looking at their teammates throughout their careers does nothing but enhance Ronaldo's achievements and diminuish Messi's. Not only is it embarassing, it does the exact opposite of what you're trying to argue. Then again, maybe I'm the stupid one for expecting some sort of logic by someone who calls Ronaldo an incredibly ordinary player.
I’ve ALWAYS said Ronaldo was the greatest CL player of all time and phenomenal overall. Just that without an exquisite midfield he looks ordinary.I literally did not in any way say that? What the hell are you on about? I didn't even talk about last night's game AT ALL. Did you misquote me?
Again, when did I talk about last 5 years? I'm talking about their whole careers. Instead of actually agreeing or disagreeing, you choose a completely random amount of time and ignore the discussion completely by making random statements.
If you agree with what I'm saying, just say it. Don't completely shift the discussion to something completely irrelevant that's not even being argued.
Yeah, Pep era Barca were great... so were MSN Barca. But Neymar left two years ago. Not 5 or 6 years ago.
I actually admire the way you've written that so as to make it seem Neymar left in 2015 instead of 2017.
Throughout the entirity of their careers, Messi has no doubt had better teammates than Ronaldo yet it doesn't stop you from having enough shame to excuse his failures by blaming his teammates despite the fact looking at their teammates throughout their careers does nothing but enhance Ronaldo's achievements and diminuish Messi's. Not only is it embarassing, it does the exact opposite of what you're trying to argue. Then again, maybe I'm the stupid one for expecting some sort of logic by someone who calls Ronaldo an incredibly ordinary player.
And Ronaldo played with a ballon dor winner and World Cup player of the tournament winner. And played some of the great CL players ever at their positions.
Simply playing with Neymar doesn’t Messi has had better teammates in recent years.
Ronaldo has one of the most legendary defenders of all time in Ramos and the greatest midfield of the past 5 years.
Messi has a better team up and through 2015 but it’s been all Ronaldo for teammates since then prior to this year.
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