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Messi or Ronaldo

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  1. Jun 11, 2019

    Bole Top Full Member

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    you probably thought you'd sound funny mentioning Getafe, but that was actually Ronaldo's favorite club to score against when he was in Spain. the clubs Messi have the best goalscoring records are the ones on top - Valencia, both Madrid clubs and Sevilla. Ronaldo's favorite opponents in la liga, besides Getafe, were Sevilla, Atletico and Celta. and if I'm not mistaken, Messi scored more against english biggest clubs without even playing in premier league. that's even funnier than mocking Messi for scoring against Getafe which is Ronnie's favorite club anyway, so...
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    It isn't - I am not talking about messi's ability against the top 6. I'm talking about the difference in quality between playing for Barcelona vs playing for Liverpool or City. Im talking about the difference between getafe or betis vs Everton, wolves, the difference between Huesca vs Fulham. I could go on and on.

    I've never doubted messi's ability to play against the English teams as I said so myself - but then people act like Ronaldo hasn't don't the same. I said that Messi hasn't tested himself at another league and in another team. Ronaldo has.

    Messi scores a free kick and another great goal against Liverpool first leg. The victory is talked about being due to Messi and hardly anyone else from Barcelona's team gets big compliments for their performances. Barcelona then lose the second leg 4-0 & the blame goes to nearly everyone except Messi. So if Messi scores 2 goals against Liverpool & that shows his ability to play in the PL which is a much tougher 20+ teams than what is constantly put up in La Liga - why isn't the 4-0 loss an indication that he would struggle here?

    As I said - people assume that we say that the guy would fail in England - that's not true. We say that he wouldn't have a such an easy time playing for a team that has been built for him as a kid and is built around him. SAF knows what he is saying when he says that.

    Messi wouldn't score the exact same goal he scored against Getafe against any team in the PL. Not a team allows that space. I'm not saying that Messi couldn't score a goal like he does vs Boateng and Bayern - but he wouldn't do the others at these Leagues.

    Why do I bring that up? Because ultimately Messi & Ronaldo are equal in alot of people's eyes like mine - but Messi is deemed better to some due to him being more a technical player scoring wonder goals that Ronaldo can't. The trophies, the medals, the goals scored and other stats are pretty much equal.

    So what do we do to equal things up again? We come and tell you that Ronaldo has done it at different Leagues, under different managers against different types of players and teams and tournaments. Then the Messi crowd make nothing but an assumption.

    Nothing but an assumption. Messi goes on seasons upon seasons scoring 42+ goals for Barcelona but I just don't see him pulling those numbers if he played for United even during the time we had Tevez, Rooney, Giggs,l in midfield, Vidic, Scholes vs getting to play with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Busquets, Puyol, Pique, Dani Alves. Forget the fact that Pep manages ball to feet playing possession football and SAF would have played a different game. What about Neymar, Suarez Messi vs Sterling, Aguero, Messi or vs Sterling, Messi, Mahrez? What's better? What about Xavi, Iniesta & Busquets vs Fernandinho, De bryune & David silva?

    The fact is - messi would be playing in a weaker team in a league that has harder teams to deal with. I'm not saying Messi wouldn't be a lad that scores 20-30 goals - the lad would be amazing..

    But there wouldn't be this heavy imbalance between rating what Messi has only ever done for Barcelona vs what Ronaldo has done for every team he has played in in every league with different managers and different teams.
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    How can anyone be so bitter? :lol:
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    All the whilst playing only for Barcelona which had players Ronaldo could have only deemed of playing with. Read my post above. Messi playing in the great United CL winning team would be world class - but absolutely no way would he pulling off the same results and goals amount playing for a team that had different players, different tactics, different managers, different Leagues and teams.
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    Synco Lucio's #1 Fan

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    Sorry, but in La Liga & CdR Messi had 16 goals/assists in 13 games against the teams placed 2-6. In the CL he had 10 goals/assists in 7 games against Tottenham, Lyon, United, Pool. And we all know his contributions go far beyond that. Real was the only one of these teams he didn't score against.

    Everyone can prefer who he or she wants to, but the facts should at least be acknowledged.
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    RedRonaldo Full Member

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    Well to be the best, it’s matter of opinions in many case. However, to be the greatest, opinions doesn’t matter, it’s all about achievements, individual and career achievements. For example, if we win 10 CL in a row, we have a very strong case to claim as the greatest team ever, even though our football is nothing special. On the other hand, if City is going to dominate majority football matches in the next 10 years in breathtaking fashion, people can rate them the best team ever, but if they fail to win any CL, they can’t claim themselves the greatest. It’s not exactly rocket science.
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    What was incorrect?
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    Yeah, if anyone of these two should he labeled a flat track bully in the league, it’s Ronaldo. Always pushing hard for goal number 3 or 4 against the likes of Getafe when the match is already won (stat padding) and always hogging the penalties. Whereas Messi often lets off the gas against fodder and gives away penalties to his teammates.

    Here’s an interesting stat regarding big league games. In all El Clasicos not counting 2018-2019, Messi has 14 assists. Ronaldo has 1.
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    I'm guessing most of those games were in group stages and at the Nou Camp. Scoring against United and Lyon is no big feat either. Furthermore, this goes beyond merely scoring goals, it's about standing up when your team really needs you and making that difference in a tough game or when the odds are against you. He hasn't done that for a very long time.
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    Synco Lucio's #1 Fan

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    Hm, it seems we don't have much of a common basis on this topic. I think Messi deserves nothing but praise for this season, and also that he was very good overall at Anfield.
    Putting down Ronaldo wasn't actually my intention, rather pointing out the other guy's feats this season. But it's almost impossible to have one without the other in here. Well.
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    Why is this guy so bang average in finals except once or maybe twice having nine tries? I know most people started watching football max. 10 years ago, but I can assure you this is not normal for a supposed "GOAT".
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong he's had a good season and is a brilliant player, I just disagree that he's the undisputed no. 1 like a lot of his fans claim. He has big character/mentality flaws which takes him out of the no. 1 discussion imo.
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    Messi in finals: 29 goals 14 assists.

    Ronaldo in finals: 19 goals 2 assists.

    Ronaldo in finals with Portugal: 0 goals 0 assists.

    Source: michaelacosta.com.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    Guess you're one level up on the "If you don't agree with me you know nothing" lot that many of the Messi brigade belongs. :)

    Since when was the majority always right? Brexit a great idea?
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    He has more goals scored in the knockout stages of the Champions League than some top clubs. Case you didn’t noticed to reach the final he scored 3 on a semifinal, but probably you didn’t know that.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    :lol: Seriously? You're going to pretend Copa del Rey finals are massive games on par with Euro/CL finals? :lol:
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    Aren’t these the guys who always said Ronaldo only has stats to show?
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    You were corrected saying this a few weeks ago and acknowledge this. I'm curious, why do you now wittingly lie about it?
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    Saffron New Member

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    He said ”finals”, what’s your problem?

    Messi has still scored in 2 CL finals and has a better individual record in NT finals.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    So I overlooked that ONE time they failed to qualify. Bite me
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    How many of Messi's 29 comes from CDR finals?
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    Not my point. Last time you gave this same response. That means you didn't overlook it this time. Either you have very serious memory issues, or you are wittingly repeating something that's not true to further your argument.

    Are you Donald Trump?
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    I think you overrate the PL, when Messi and Ronaldo were both in La Liga it was the strongest league in the world. You only have to see the points totals Liverpool and Man City have got since becoming top teams to see that and neither have players that are of Messi's calibre.

    Because Messi was the best player on the pitch over the two legs - he scored two goals and created about 6 goalscoring chances. You picked a terrible example.

    Messi created space by taking it past 2 players with 4 touches within a second. There's 7+ players ahead of Messi when he receives the ball and he takes it past half of them by dribbling.

    Plenty of teams allow that space, the premier league isn't as unique as you think it is. If Messi can still score 2 goals and create various chances vs. Liverpool, a team that suffocates the space more than anyone else in the PL (or club football, probably), imagine what he'd do against Huddersfield or Bournemouth?

    :lol: Bit rich to say this when your whole argument is based on the assumption that Messi wouldn't be as good away from Barcelona or in a different league. We can only go on what they actually have shown in their careers. Also Messi has played under different systems and managers - none of whom except Pep have gone on to have success after managing Barcelona. Whereas Ronaldo has been coached by all-time greats and top managers like SAF, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Zidane, Allegri.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    New readers of this thread may be interested to learn that, in fact, Cal? once received the well deserved personal tagline: ”The Trump of CR7 fans”.

    An accurate decision by the mods indeed.

    Back on topic: Messi just scored 2 goals in an international final and I have a feeling there will be more in the Copa. Then the Copa will cancel out the Euro (and more, since Ronnie didn’t play) and Messi will have that extra NT title on the side.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    I don't take anything the Messi brigade say seriously, so I missed that ONE time Argentina failed to qualify. The fact is they almost always get there quite easily due to the numerous places available to Conmebol.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    The fact the Copa is held every so often and is much easier to win makes a mockery of that suggestion.

    Anyway, it's probably Messi quits on his country again and everyone else gets blamed when Argentina lose again. :smirk:
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    You are truly the GOAT at missing the point.

    Consider my hat taken off.

    @Saffron

    I always loyalty cr7 is still the best tagline in history.
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    Pocho Gayer than Marcosdeto (according to Marcos, who sh

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    well, not anymore:lol:
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    Ah I see. Changing narratives and spreading lies on every topic is the way to go then.
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    Tostao_80 New Member

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    Unfortunately, they don't do facts, facts spoil their narrative. Speaking of their narrative, yeah Messi only scores against rubbish teams, and he would struggle against Englands best.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...pions-League-goals-against-English-teams.html
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    Everything? Messi has exemplarily destroyed Atletico and Real multiple times in recent seasons. And I mean "destroyed" as in "he tore them apart with his dribbles, passes and goals" not as in "he scored two goals and was invisible apart from that". He also destroyed Liverpool and Chelsea in the CL and probably some more top sides in matches I don't remember since I don't keep record. Oh, and he "Cristiano-destroyed" United when he scored twice against you lot but wasn't that special overall.

    By the way, the match Messi had against Liverpool this year was more impressive than anything I saw from Cristiano in his last three CL wins. And I haven't seen Cristiano having a game as good as Messi's second leg against them without scoring in years.
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    And this is why you are biased and debating with you is futile on this subject.

    If you had to pick one player to play for you in a pressure situation Messi would be low on the list.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    And the lad did crap all in the next leg. Blames all the Barcelona players but Messi comes out as the godly player for what he did in one leg.
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    Every chance in that second leg was created by Messi, ALL EIGHT
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    He didn't take any himself to be fair :drool:
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    :lol: This again? It must be so rare for you lot to see Messi score in a CL QF or after that you lose all sense of reality.
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    Zehner Full Member

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    Spare me with this mentality, clutch and pressure bullshit. If you want to talk about that, visit a life coach, some personal development courses or follow some inspirational career and motivation influencers on Instagram. Once you're done with that and want to talk about football again, hit me up ;)
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    I've never used the word clutch and I think it's cringy, so not sure why you're making silly digs like that.

    I mentioned mentality because it makes a tangible difference on the football pitch, Maradona, Pele and Zidane are just a few examples for you to study regarding this aspect of the game. Even Roy Keane and Lothar Matthaus are other good examples.
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    Zehner Full Member

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    Nah, we're just watching the full 90 minutes, not just the last contact before the ball passes the line. I haven't seen a Cristiano performamce that, goals aside, truly impressed me in years. He's not even top 10 in the world in that regard for a fair amount of time. Speak volumes about his prowess in front of goal though that he was the second best player during that time nonetheless.