I think being in a serious racr for the CL is going to be difficult. It's an incredibly tough competition and it takes years of experience to consistently navigate through. Look at how long it took the likes of city, Chelsea and psg after their oil daddies bought them before they were able to make it to the knock out stages.
This sounds reasonable. I'd add being more dominant against lesser sides. Ole's been good at getting results against big clubs, but we really struggle to dominate the opposition.
So be in contention for the treble then? That's the minimum bar?
Minimum bar is to win something and be in contention for everything. Just like City, Liverpool, Chelsea. I'm sure their goals are like this.
After 2 and a half seasons in the job and having spent a fortune on players, yes that should be the minimum. He can't be allowed to go much longer without winning something, this is Manchester United not a small club like Everton. The clock should be ticking for him now, there are no more excuses left.
That isn't even the minimum for Pep. You're all insane.
What is the point in signing world class players like Varane and Sancho then, to finish top 4 again? We could have acheived that with the squad we already had.
I think we've got different understandings of what the minimum bar is.
Targets is to win the league and/or the CL.
I'd go along with that, but the minimum bar for Ole to keep his job, as asked by the OP, certainly won't be that.
If Ole fails to mount a title Challenge, he should not be the manager next season. it is his 4th year at the club and he has spent a fortune. He wont get that much time in any big club in the world.
We could have another mad season where City or someone gets 100 points. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, but I don't think it's necessarily fair to say things like "win a cup/reach the CL semis, finish within 5 points of 1st" as people have been.
We couldn't win the Europa League against teams that won't be in the top 10 in the PL and you think we would have won the CL.
You demand a trophy? Nobody has a guaranteed right to win trophies.
Will be nice if we do not feck up getting out of the CL group stages. Avoid the EL altogether. As I said previously a sustained challenge for the league. I do not think we can win it yet, but surely to god we have learnt something from last season regarding low block teams.
I don't think we have the midfield for this.
This is reasonable.
I agree a title challenge is long overdue, but it's next to impossible right now with City holding the strongest squad in the PL by a distance, and that was before they signed Grealish. Adding Kane to that squad probably makes them the best club side in world football.
City will never stop spending. The owner are very rich and willing to invest so we need to accept that and think of it as a challenge that we need to overcome. So when I said the right man means the right man who can compete with City who has the capability to spend every window buying players and replacing players whenever they like or need to. After the money Ole spent and time he's been given if he can't at least challenging the league then we need to find the right man who can do it with our resource limit. If Liverpool and Klopp could do it after given 3 summer windows then it's not impossible for the right manager.
Chelsea reached the semi finals fairly early several times after Roman took over. PSG had an issue getting past the QFs but no real issues getting to the knockout stages.
But City have a finished squad capable of challenging on all fronts, any further additions just increase the squad's effectiveness. Similar to United in 90's/00's. The same cannot be said for United, as we're still short several players in key positions. We're not in a position to challenge them yet.
2 CB, 1 RB, 1 LB, 2 Midfields, 2 Wingers, 1 Striker. I count at least 9 players for first/senior team and 2 young prospect signings there. He received the backing and we can't make excuses. If we can't challenge the league while Klopp did it under Liverpool after his 3rd summer window then Ole is not the right manager who can overcome City's unlimited resource with our limited resource. I'm not asking winning it but at least challenging it. The only thing I can see progress without challenging the league in Ole's third full season is if we win UCL.
Challenging means going toe to toe with 1st (4 points difference in April or May, more or less) and losing it around May. If we lose the title before we enter May then that's not challenging.
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We have become Arsenal under Wenger without the good football.
End of coming season means Ole in charge for 3 and half seasons already.
It's bare minimum expectations, it's doesn't means we should be happy for that.
