Morgan Schneiderlin | Everton Player
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They look like they are gone so. I'm really interested to see how they do at Everton as they both looked talented before they came here and were highly rated by most.
When Schniederlin was signed i thought he could potentially be the natural successor to Carrick, but he hasn't really grasped the chances he's been given, i would like him to stay and prove his worth, but can understand him if he wants to move on.
Depay on the other hand has essentially been useless. The glimpses of promise that he has displayed has quickly been followed up by several dreadful performances, I have wondered if he is better suited to playing centrally rather then on the wing, but i certainly won't be losing any sleep about him moving on.
Depay on the other hand has essentially been useless. The glimpses of promise that he has displayed has quickly been followed up by several dreadful performances, I have wondered if he is better suited to playing centrally rather then on the wing, but i certainly won't be losing any sleep about him moving on.
I think a lot of people felt this way, but we've all been made to look foolish; because in hindsight, it seems so obvious that Schneiderlin never had the passing range or competency, and game intelligence of a player like Michael Carrick. Carrick is just a very classy, hugely under rated footballer. An elegant midfielder who facilitates others through his calm reading of the game, excellent positioning, and passing repertoire. Schneiderlin is, what I would describe as, industrious. I think he much more suited to a role as a number 8 than as a number 6, and for a club of United's ambitions, he just isn't complete enough for that role.
I still think he could have been a good squad player, all things considered, and is a step up in midfield depth over what we've seen in recent years; but not all players can cope with not playing regularly. Time for him to move on.
Yeah I agree. In hindsight, he is the player that we bring on to protect a lead at Everton for example instead of Fellaini who i really do want gone ASAP.
I just hope we get decent money for them for a change.
Completely. The Fellaini issue is just crazy. Whether he deserves all the stick he gets is very debatable, because he has had some good games. But, overall he's just been a terrible fit for the club since he arrived and the sooner he is gone the better. He brings next to nothing I value to a football field.
Its not debatable that Fellaini does not deserve the hate campaign directed against him.
@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Do you think Fellaini deserves the hate campaign against him?
It isn't a hate campaign, it's just he offers very little to the side. Even when he is doing a job he is usually moments away from being sent off or committing a silly foul in a needless position. We need to ship him out and use the funds to replace him with a more suitable player.
This guys weren't given a proper chance. Its a shame because they could have been very good for us, specially Schneiderlin.
I would have preferred we got rid of other players first...
I would have preferred we got rid of other players first...
Not in the slightest
Its is nothing but a hate campaign. Championed by the same fallacious lie that he offers nothing and is the worst player to ever play for United. In LVGs first season, during our best run in years, he was one of our top performers in a side playing excellent football as it despatched Tottenham, Pool and City amongst other games. Even last season, he was amongst the key reasons we finally won the Fa cup again. He was ace in the semi vs West Ham for example. So much so that when we missed him against the same opponents in the league later, it cost as a champions league place. Fellaini has his limitations. But its pure fantasy land to claim he is useless, contributes absolutely nothing of value and is the worst player to ever play for us/ "nothing but a championship level player'. One doesn't have to like him to know this for a fact. All this blaming him for other players failing to live up to their hype is all an example of the hate campaign I'm referring to. Fellaini keeps getting picked because like his coaches keep stating he does what he is asked. Due to his natural limitations it at times doesn't come off, but its effective. I don't see value in hating on him yet more talented players than him simply fail repeatedly to do the bare minimum of implementing instructions given. Its why even a Lingard has been putting the likes of Depay on the bench. He is simply a squad player and its high time folks stop pretending that he is being treated like a key one, just because other more talented lads are not pulling their weight.
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Think we will get around £10m for each.
Both useless, both signed for different systems, one for numbers one as a promising youngster but ultimately has only ever shown glimpses of talent for PSV and realistically needs to move on to kick on.
Im not bothered either are going, I am sure Memphis will go on to have a somewhat middling career and may even be great but either way it doesnt matter because it wont happen here at United, both Martial and Rashford have much much higher ceilings.
As for Morgan, I was never convinced even when people were going crazy when we signed him, he was one of those players I had to double check the youtube clips to see what the fuss was about and even then I still didn't get it. Just never really good enough so I am sure he will find his level at a club a bit lower down and he will look solid again but not for us.
Im not bothered either are going, I am sure Memphis will go on to have a somewhat middling career and may even be great but either way it doesnt matter because it wont happen here at United, both Martial and Rashford have much much higher ceilings.
As for Morgan, I was never convinced even when people were going crazy when we signed him, he was one of those players I had to double check the youtube clips to see what the fuss was about and even then I still didn't get it. Just never really good enough so I am sure he will find his level at a club a bit lower down and he will look solid again but not for us.
After reading what RICTR's written a few posts above, I am now certain we should do our utmost to keep Schneiderlin and sell Fellaini instead.
Good one.
Memphis £5,5m
Schneiderlin £4m
That would be decent to me.
NET those figures wouldn't surprise me. Especially in the case of M7
I actually reckon we'd get at least £30m for the pair. They are both internationals and fairly young. They also haven't been here that long, so their pre-United reputations would not have totally been been destroyed. Both are worth around £15m I think, especially if Everton can spend £30m on fecking Bolasie.
similar to Ando I guess
What was the beginning of the end for schneiderlin in my book was that after he was signed i saw him as a functional engine defensive midfielder, that could do a good job for us at the base of a 3, yet so many people began to big up his abilities to that of a controlling central midfielder who can pass it around like carrick etc.
It was just painfully obvious it was never going to be the case.
It was just painfully obvious it was never going to be the case.
That three-game run is going to echo through the ages.
It really will.
I'm looking forward to gathering my grandchildren around, 50 years from now, and telling them all where I was when Rooney silently dominated.It really will.
"And then what happened, Gramps?"
"We got twatted by Everton, and Juanfield was all for nothing"
If we can get 40 in total would be amazing. Everton has the money now with their new owner being a billionaire.
Yup. Like Ando 'dominating' Fabregas and Gerrard or that spell where Welbeck actually scored in 5/6 (something like that) consecutive games. It's mad what people around here cling to.
Ando was faultless in the big games in his first 2 years. Honestly, he was always starting and perfoming in our biggest games.
Sad how it ended.
He could be a very good 6 or 8 with the right player beside him. If he was paired with Carrick he could be instructed to press like crazy and offload the ball to the 10 (Mata) or the 6 (Carrick). That was pretty much the Vidal role at Juve. Or he could play as Pogba's workhorse, ie like Vidal. Coquelin is doing a similar role alongside Cazorla or Xhaka and the combination of high energy pressing and technique works well.
I don't think he's been used appropriately.
He started promising alright. I wasn't as impressed as some but he looked like a player with bags of potential.
But when it became abundantly clear that he wasn't going to make it here, people kept bringing up how he dominated Fabregas that one time.
Thats the thing, it was more than one time. I dont think we lost a single game to Arsenal/Liverpool in that period.
But anyways I will leave it alone.
Schniederlin is a player who I think will do very well for his next club to the annoyance of all of us who were excited to sign him, but I don't ever think he'll work as a player for us at this stage, so I guess letting him go would be for the best.
We'll get absolutely shafted on the price of course; especially if it's to Everton who I doubt will ever give us a fair price, regardless of how wealthy their owner is meant to be.
We'll get absolutely shafted on the price of course; especially if it's to Everton who I doubt will ever give us a fair price, regardless of how wealthy their owner is meant to be.
Very limited player. Seems ideal for a team wanting to survive or park the bus. I think most of were sold by Gary Neville's praise of him especially during a game against United at Old Trafford.
And Anderson had a hate campaign against him when?
Of course he had. There were people like myself who wanted him out and I still believe its scandalous that a player who produced so little for us would stay with us for so many years.
There again, I concede it was much less than to what Fellaini currently faces. The reasons are many
a- Ando had the potential to become a world class player, Fellaini does not. People tend to be more patient to the former then to the latter
b- Ando was funny. I know its ridiculous because a footballer should be judged on what he does on the pitch and not on the pranks he makes. However its undeniable that there are people who likes that
c- Ando played at a time when United were winning trophies on a yearly basis. So we could afford a freeloader or two on the way after all we could always rely on Scholes, Giggs, Ronaldo and co to bail us out. We can't do that now
d- United is all about good football. Don't take me wrong, we acknowledge the need of having bad people around (some like myself do more then others) but we (myself included) see it as a necessary evil. Hence why the trinity monument has Law, Charlton and Best rather then Nobby Stiles, Roy Keane and Paul Ince
I feel sorry for Fellaini. He's a relic of a game that is dying out. The only way we can take some juice out of this transfer is to play him out of position and that's far from ideal for a player especially at his age and at the standards United expect him to play in. There again much better players were offloaded when the game moved on without them. The likes of Bergkamp, Zola and Baggio struggled in a Serie A that was swiftly moving to a 1 men striker system. Some moved to the EPL who was still, at the time, far behind the Serie A. Others just had to adapt and play in minor teams. Baggio was a much better player then Rooney ever even dreamt of being. Yet he spent a big chunk of his career with teams like Brescia and Bologna. Its life
Me what I hate is the ungratefulness fans have towards certain players. Just last season Fellaini and Lingard for example were absolutely key to us finally ending our FA cup droubt and most importantly bagging our first trophy post Fergie. But folks piss and moan about them on here like they have been key to us being in a relagation dog fight. I can't get not rating players but I don't get over the top hate nor ungratefulness. I always believe if talented players work hard enough the likes of Fellaini will never play ahead of them. So to hate on a limited player for winning his spot the hard way I find utterly revolting.
I doubt Welbeck has scored in 5/6 consecutive games ever in his career TBH.
Anybody else think Schneiderlin will go to Everton (or somewhere of similar stature) and be absolutely brilliant?
I think he'll be a £30m player when he's playing regularly for a team
I think he'll be a £30m player when he's playing regularly for a team
Yup I would be of the same thinking but he did something like that or else scored 5/6 in a run of games and people never shut up about it on here as some sort of vindication of his supposed 'excellence'.
most likely. wouldn't be surprising.
Wouldn't say it was a hate campaign. More a fat shaming campaign.
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