Agree just an awful thing to do. A class cnut..
Not Irish or anything but my blood was boiling at that...
Most unsporting moments
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Not Irish or anything but my blood was boiling at that...
I didn't think Solskjaer was a scumbag and I didn't think Suarez was a scumbag for the handball (although clearly he was in other incidents). I enjoyed both incidents because they were something different and unexpected in the often very vanilla world of sports.
I also loved the time Steven Taylor stopped the ball with his hand on the line for Newcastle and then went down theatrically as if he'd been shot.
Didn't blame Henry for the handball although I was pissed at the officials for not seeing it and then later on when the French were trying to say it didn't happen.
Players chancing their arm and trying to get away with something they shouldn't often makes for great entertainment. So long as it doesn't stand to injure an opponent, or happen so regularly as to wreck people's heads (diving), I'd be very slow to castigate players for trying the odd sneaky move.
In fact, I'd give extra points for hilarity. That Ross Wallace move above was completely brilliant!
I also loved the time Steven Taylor stopped the ball with his hand on the line for Newcastle and then went down theatrically as if he'd been shot.
Didn't blame Henry for the handball although I was pissed at the officials for not seeing it and then later on when the French were trying to say it didn't happen.
Players chancing their arm and trying to get away with something they shouldn't often makes for great entertainment. So long as it doesn't stand to injure an opponent, or happen so regularly as to wreck people's heads (diving), I'd be very slow to castigate players for trying the odd sneaky move.
In fact, I'd give extra points for hilarity. That Ross Wallace move above was completely brilliant!
Nothing wrong with that, the ball came so quickly at him, what was he supposed to do? It's ref's fault for not seeing it.
Solskjaer on the other hand ran almost the entire length of the pitch and could think clearly about what he was doing.
A similar one:
I don't see how diving is any different to what Henry did. Or defenders pulling shirts when they think they can get away with it.
I don't consider deliberate fouls (including Suarez's handball) cheating. They know immediately what the repercussions are. They do something instinctive and they take the punishment. Unsporting? Very much so, but I don't see it as cheating. You see it in rugby league sometimes, when a team's defence is disorganised, so they disrupt the playing of the ball after the tackle. It's a penalty, the tackle count resets and they even lose yardage. They take that hit on the chin, but there's still a greater chance of defending with an organised defence, than with a disorganised defence with not all of the 13 men behind the ball, as you're immediately outnumbered.
A dive which wins a penalty and results in being the winning goal; that is cheating. Any kind of dive really. It doesn't have to be something which causes the winning goal, but a penalty and a goal to win the game is the most drastic of circumstances. No matter how decisive the dive, you have influenced the referee by conning him. You've made it appear to him that something happened that did not actually happen. It's sneaky and deceptive. Similarly, Henry's handball. It's much different to Suarez's because he's done it to get away with it. Suarez absolutely knew he wouldn't get away with it, and he was sent off as a result. Henry has chanced his luck, and got away with it, and they scored. Cheating of the highest order.
I also think claiming for throw ins and corners which you absolutely know you are not entitled to is a very mild form of cheating. Again, you are trying to influence the referee and making him believe what you are illegitimately protesting. Though, that does make just about every player on a football pitch a cheater, which is probably true. In football, sportsmanship is dead.
A dive which wins a penalty and results in being the winning goal; that is cheating. Any kind of dive really. It doesn't have to be something which causes the winning goal, but a penalty and a goal to win the game is the most drastic of circumstances. No matter how decisive the dive, you have influenced the referee by conning him. You've made it appear to him that something happened that did not actually happen. It's sneaky and deceptive. Similarly, Henry's handball. It's much different to Suarez's because he's done it to get away with it. Suarez absolutely knew he wouldn't get away with it, and he was sent off as a result. Henry has chanced his luck, and got away with it, and they scored. Cheating of the highest order.
I also think claiming for throw ins and corners which you absolutely know you are not entitled to is a very mild form of cheating. Again, you are trying to influence the referee and making him believe what you are illegitimately protesting. Though, that does make just about every player on a football pitch a cheater, which is probably true. In football, sportsmanship is dead.
David Luiz' smile when getting Rafael sent off.
Yeah scooping the ball with your arm is normal for a footballer. I played football at a decent level for many years take my word for it, it is cheating of the highest order.
Don't see the issue with Ole's foul, Suarez handball or Henry handball.
If it had been Robbie Keane hand balling it and Ireland scoring no-one would be on here complaining.
Players do what they can to win. Handball goals shouldn't count no, but then neither should offside goals.
For me the most unsporting are moments like Suarez biting or racially abusing players.
If it had been Robbie Keane hand balling it and Ireland scoring no-one would be on here complaining.
Players do what they can to win. Handball goals shouldn't count no, but then neither should offside goals.
For me the most unsporting are moments like Suarez biting or racially abusing players.
This. The line about Ferguson is just PR, SAF would have had him for breakfast if Ole had let Lee run clear at the goal and score in that situation.
While I do see the issue with them, you're right that your level of outrage generally depends on which team you're supporting.
Which means the outrage is generally not worth much, unfortunately - even condemning Suarez's racist comment too often became a way of adding to inter-club needling more than genuine condemnation.
Quite a few come to mind but Adebayor running the length of the pitch and celebrating his goal in front of the Arsenal fans probably tops the list imo.
The two things are very similar you're right, the only difference being that one of the players plays for our team.
I don't think it's even a subconscious thing. I think most here would openly admit that both cases are unsporting/cheating whatever, but out of loyalty we see a 'cnut's move' being performed by 'our cnut', which makes it fine by us.
Just expected a bit of humility. By all means celebrate with your teammates but going up on their shoulders like you're the hero? It's a dick move.
To be fair to him, hadn't the fans been singing the song about his mum being a whore and his dad washing elephants?The fans can't expect to give abuse but not get it back.
That was brilliant. What was wrong with that?
That's a really dickish thing to do. Hope an opponent gave him a good kick after that.
At root it's no different really. What's annoying about diving is that it happens so regularly that it's not clever, funny or entertaining in any way. I'm all for innovative cheating. Just don't want to see the same thing being allowed go week in week out.
Don't consider Suarez or Solskjaers action as unsportsmanlike. Especially the Suarez criticism is bizarre, he got rightly punished and Ghana had their chance to score the goal. Him celebrating the penalty miss is only understandable, world cup semi finals were on the line ffs.
Of course they're important because the rules allow it but they shouldn't.
Cynical, deliberate hacking down of a power purely to stop an attack shouldn't be anything other than a red card.
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The Suarez one is unsporting in the sense that Ghana had all but scored, until Suarez decided to break the rules to prevent them scoring a perfectly good goal and progressing in the competition. The fact he was sent off and Ghana were given a penalty is irrelevant, he prevented a certain goal with a deliberate offence going against the conduct of how the game is meant to be played. It's the definition of unsporting behaviour really.
Don't consider Suarez or Solskjaers action as unsportsmanlike. Especially the Suarez criticism is bizarre, he got rightly punished and Ghana had their chance to score the goal. Him celebrating the penalty miss is only understandable, world cup semi finals were on the line ffs.
you are absolutely right.Solkjaer was a golden boy though, always regarded as a nice bloke and this was out of character but still he knew what needed to be done.
Saurez is a shitebag, and always will be. Totally in his character to cheat.
Surely it's stuff like this that should be the main contenders:
Pretty much this. Then again I don't mind diving either. It should be punished obviously, but I don't blame the players for doing it. They're are professionals, it's their job to win and it's understandable that they'll try to do anything to do it. I find diving a lot less cnutish than a potentially injury inducing "crunching" tackle.
Fair enough. Easier to get away with diving than hand ball though.
Agreed, some "dives" I can't understand why fans get so annoyed at...if a defender is going to jump into a tackle in the box and not get the ball they have to be expecting it.
Every foul is an offence going against the conduct of how the game is meant to be played. That's the reason referees exist, to accourdingly punish these offences - which was rightly and fair done in that situation. What Suarey did was the same way against the conduct of the game as someone pulling another players shirt - a foul but not an unsporting behaviour.
Unsporting isnt absolute or determined by rules, it's really sentimental. What that Ajax player did isnt against the rules but it's just unsporting. So is what Suarez did, its not soortmanship, nor is it cheating. He rightfully got punished but it's just filthy, unsporting.
I agree. You do what you do to try to win, and it is up to the ref to decide/see it.
I don't considering it cheating when you deliberately break the rules knowing there is no way you will get away with it. I find it much worse when people cheat to get opponents in trouble. Like a certain West-Ham manager
Not unsporting at all, that was hilarious.
He should've been booed, but only because he didn't completely ruin that fecking dick Rob Lee...
Always hated that cnut, with his fecking shit face, not for any real reason, other than in my panini sticket book as a kid, I swear I got him in EVERY feckING PACK...I had about 45 spares of that cnut, and no cnut wanted to swap them...
THIS ONE....SMUG cnut...
Roy Keane's tackle on Håland. I love the man as a player but deliberately trying to hurt your opponent will never be acceptable for me, worse than any handball or dive ever performed.
Or maybe Suarez is just a scummy cnut?Cheating?
Cheating is the dive from the Ghanaian to get the free kick that leads to all that:
Cheating is what the linesman does being right in front and awarding that, then not ruling one but four instances of players being offside.
The fact is the English media (BBC in particular) had nothing to report on once England got unceremoniously dumped yet again so they had this "Africa's time" thing going... but then they didn't... so they made hay with what was on offer.
If Ghana had scored nobody would be talking about the dive, made up free kick or the offsides, but that would be a clearer daylight robbery than handball, red and penalty against. Which shouldn't have happened, none of it, and Suarez should have been available for the semis.
Or maybe it is the natural response from someone who just ran himself into the ground for 120 minutes, saw his team getting shafted, knew his World Cup was over, yet couldn't help but be ecstatic at his NT surviving a last minute penalty? What are you? An amoeba?
It takes two to tango. Being on a teammates' shoulders is more down to a teammate wanting to lift him. Should he tell him "Ih no, please don't or Tarrou on Redcafe will take offence"?
Except that the entire move was riddled with illicit actions (see post above). Dive to get the free kick and two players glaringly offside (one goes on to head at goal).
But yeah, go on wearing the blinkers.
An elaborate retort that.
Look at this cnut
At the time I didn't know his character so my expectations of him were to act like a decent human being but we all know that's impossible now. Rather than worry about Tarrou from the internet though I'd expect him to spare a thought for the fellow professional he'd just robbed of a winning goal in a world cup quarter final, the rest of his teammates and nation supporting them, and show some respect for those people because it must really, really hurt.