In the past 4 games with us, he sets up differently. Does it tell you enough that you dont know him?Just commenting on how he's set his teams up in the past, no need for the cuntishness, mate.
Don't be too sensitive.
Mourinho Post Match Comments
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Don't be too sensitive.
Four games where Smalling was suspended for one of them. Smalling was also injured in preseason, so he's had a very disrupted start and it made no sense to chop and change CBs especially when Blind seemed to be performing well.
4 games with us doesn't take precedence against 11 seasons since Chelsea 04-05. Don't be daft.
It is not just with blind though, is it? Also he has been trying to buy CBs with decent ball passing ability. So maybe you know he probably changed his opinion on it.
What about the others that i listed? Did you fully think those could be in his first team's plans? He has been doing everything you thought he would so far here?
With the exception of Mata, yeah.
Oh my apology then. You know him better than I thought you did.
Yes. As a coach (keeper) the first station simply means the first defender you're likely to pass the ball to in possession. Its based on body angle and all that stuff. Barcelona usually pressed at an angle to force you into a pass they already knew you were going to make to get out of it. Its either you lost it or played it long to give back possession. Jose didn't want them to get caught like that he wanted his players to bypass the obvious and choose another pass behind the pressing players (2nd station). Pep's teams are very good at this to be fair.
What are you on about?
It is not just Pep he hates to lose to, like SAF he hates to lose. That's a good thing.
And dishing out on the players? This is not one man playing a video game controlling 11 players. Players do have individual states.
Plus he also says that it is his responsibility that we lost as well.
Lol if you follow those 2 for awhile, you would know what I meant. There is lots of stuff in it.
I am not going over details about it.
If you listen carefully to his comments, the first half happened the way it did because his players failed to deliver what they were instructed. Mistakes by Pogba and Bailly and the invisibility of Lingard and Mhkitaryan provided the space and possession for City to exploit. Had his players delivered his tactical plan, the first half would have been different.
As Mourinho says at end of interview, he is still learning about how his players respond and react to certain situations and that will continue to take time. It will be a while before he can select teams that he can be certain will deploy his tactical plan (like SAF was able to do for many years). Until that time, its difficult to objectively criticise his tactics. That being said, of course he is learning and he says so in the interview.
As an aside, I'm loving listening to him knowing he is our manager and he is passionate about our club. He is vastly knowledgable and very charismatic.
As Mourinho says at end of interview, he is still learning about how his players respond and react to certain situations and that will continue to take time. It will be a while before he can select teams that he can be certain will deploy his tactical plan (like SAF was able to do for many years). Until that time, its difficult to objectively criticise his tactics. That being said, of course he is learning and he says so in the interview.
As an aside, I'm loving listening to him knowing he is our manager and he is passionate about our club. He is vastly knowledgable and very charismatic.
I do know and there's also a thread about it in the Football forum.
That seems a good thing. Such rivalries can bring out the best in both.
Like Messi and Ronaldo.
So you were aware of their ugly classico whatever shits where everyone dived, tried to get each other sent off, poking eyes and what not for those 2 years or so?
That was classless, yes.
By the way, I know that some people don't like that Mourinho is basically saying players let him down, but I remember Fergie talking after the 1999 semi final first leg, when Juventus dominated for 45 minutes at OT. Fergie said that even though the wingers were instructed that when one of them attacks, the other tucks in to form a midfield trio, they didn't do that because they let the excitement go to them, or something like that.
I don't see the problem with the simple truth. We all know players who got a big chance yesterday didn't take it and it cost us.
I don't see the problem with the simple truth. We all know players who got a big chance yesterday didn't take it and it cost us.
I think Brwnd is right. Pre-Madrid Mourinho would have diverted attention to himself rather than blaming players- even if they were failing to follow instructions
Silicon Valley 3.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeYaQGbD6Xc
Gavin Belson: 'But make no mistake. Though they're the ones leaving, it is I who must remain and bear the heavy burden of their failure.
It is my fault. I trusted them to get the job done.
But that is the price of leadership.
Thank you.'
Audience member 1: 'That was the gutsiest thing I've ever seen.'
Audience member 2: 'Amazing.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeYaQGbD6Xc
Gavin Belson: 'But make no mistake. Though they're the ones leaving, it is I who must remain and bear the heavy burden of their failure.
It is my fault. I trusted them to get the job done.
But that is the price of leadership.
Thank you.'
Audience member 1: 'That was the gutsiest thing I've ever seen.'
Audience member 2: 'Amazing.'
Turns out I might have been wrong, after watching the full post match from Jose. He specifically mentioned Bailly and Blind for being guilty of those "first station passes."
Odd. Especially in the second half Blind hit a long pass every time he got the ball.
They got the message in the second half. Mourinho was talking about the first half when he mentioned first station passes.
I think Mhki and Jesse he realised his mistake that they were not fit and that the game was passing them by. That was a misjudgement on his part. Don't think he was criticising them specifically about the play. As you say he was more unhappy with Bailly and Blind and that they were passing the ball into trouble.
He uses the word 'we' all the time in the above video. Far more than he refers to himself.
In any case, this isn't his team of warriors. Once he figures who'll die for his cause, he'll be much more inclusive. Though, to be fair, if the team failed to follow his instructions to the letter, being called out on it in public is the best way to get them to realise that they should never ignore the manager. This is still LvG's team. Mourinho is laying down his marker.
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If Mourinho gave that first presser instead, people would have been pointing out how he threw his experienced players under the bus and blamed them for the heavy loss, in particular Rio and Evra.
Eg - "He should have gone out and told them to stop attacking rather than just blaming the players".
He wasn't blaming Ferdinand and Evra individually, from what I can tell. He's using them as examples of the experience that they had in the squad and how he expected from the team, as a whole, to react in that situation. Obviously the team didn't react as he expected, and he's disappointed in that, but to make it comparable he would've said off the back of that, "now I know who can handle that situation and maybe next time I'll do it differently". Prior to that point he would've pointed out that his tactical mastery was completely wasted because certain players weren't able to fulfil his instructions. That's obviously not what Sir Alex did.
Anyway, I don't really care that much. I just think the two sets of comments are noticeably different in tone and purpose, while his comments there are worryingly similar to what he said at Chelsea in his second stint. People disagree - fair enough, no more needs said.
possibly and we did put each other under pressure with lots of the close passing. some looked so worried they would lose possession, they passed it to the nearest guy even if he had two or three City men on him
He seems incredibly open about his analysis. Not sure how wise that is, enjoyable though it is.
Classic Mourinho, blame the players, the ref anyone but himself.
Nobody is talking about how he picked the wrong team or how City were so much better than us.
Nobody is talking about how he picked the wrong team or how City were so much better than us.
He did admit his own mistake
It took one loss for people to start over analyzing his post match comments/pressers. If we would win and he would have similar comments about the first half nobody would bat an fecking eye.
Really interesting comments, he repeated his sentiments on the club's official website:
Nevertheless, the players that he brought into the line-up let him down and badly. I don't think he'll make that mistake again. He's learnt his lesson.
He trusted some players with their quality, and it seems like his trust was misplaced. What was really surprising was that rarely do you see Jose rotate his team. If a selection works, he usually sticks with it.
Nevertheless, the players that he brought into the line-up let him down and badly. I don't think he'll make that mistake again. He's learnt his lesson.
He doesn't rotate once he settles on his best team. He's obviously not quite there yet.
I don't have any problems with what he said. Agree completely.
Taking the blame is very noble and everything but it's boring, it's not the truth and it doesn't explain the performance.
He literally said those exact things.
We got rid of the wrong deadwood.
It is amazing how some people make football so complicated.
For a simpleton like me, can someone translate this?
I really enjoyed his comments to be honest, and it was perfectly fair as well. Good to see a manager who actually tells it like it is rather than the same old BS most players/managers are coming out with.
Not really as I haven't the slightest idea what I'm talking about.
This seems to make sense. I'm just really surprised that footballers at the highest level would get carried away and ignore the managers specific instructions. Surely he'd be bleating about this in training and right before the game.
I think he's going to get into trouble for criticising the referee...
You can't blame the manager when players disregard his instructions.
Maybe you should actually watch his post match press conference.