While you're correct on first part, most of the signings by Jose apart from Mikhtaryan has been good.
Mourinho : "Transfer spend is not enough"
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Sadly I totally agree.
Compare the city buys to ours in the Summer and you just knew we were fecked. They are buying from a position of strength and us from desperation/hope.
City have been spending serious money each year since the oil money takeover in 2008. We sold our best player in 2009, which heralded the start of the "no value in the market" nonsense from Ferguson, as an excuse for buying lower quality players, with a couple of exceptions. This went on until he retired in 2013. We then had the disaster of the Moyes year, followed by Van Gaal ripping up our squad for two years and bringing in sub-standard replacements. Mourinho came in during 2016, and no doubt once he had worked with the squad and fully assessed them, was shocked at the lack of quality for such a big club. So far, he has had eighteen months to repair the damage of under investment and poor signings made during the preceding seven years. This at a time when City have been buying quality at huge expense. Whether Mourinho will spend wisely in the future remains to be seen, but his transfer dealings at the club so far have been much better than those of his predecessors during the preceding seven years. He is right to state that we need to continue to spend big, if we are to catch not only City, but other European giants, to get us to the place on the pitch which is commensurate with our standing as a giant club.
Spend not enough, no tactics are not good enough.
It's not his fault van gaal signed some complete garbage. He had to use a lot of money to get in Lukaku and Pogba. There are still gaps in the squad. That is why people should trust him when he goes after players like Perisic and Matic.
IMHO we'll never know until he wins something of note and is around alot longer.
Could be the next AVB for all we know.
Mourinho opted to not sign a fullback. He could have got rid of Darmian and Blind. He 'bigged' up the squad 2 successive seasons. Saying he had enough and was smug when things were going right. Once it started to go a bit wrong, he is throwing a "hissy fit."
Our problem isn't not spending enough funds. It's that the funds are all spent as if we're throwing stuff on a wall and hoping it sticks. There's no clear plan in our purchases. It's akin to football manager purchases. Just gather the names. Play them together and hope for results.
Of course he needs more money.
And of course the xmas schedule is against us.
Conte shows 'no respect'.
City 'celebrate' too much.
The players are 'childish'.
Bristol City were 'lucky'.
And what about you, your purchases, your coaching and YOUR management Jose?
This will end in tears. This guy cannot deal with being at United and he cannot deal with a changing game. His limitations are being highlighted. I no longer expect anything from him as our manager. He is miserable, ignorant, self-indulged, and his style and management do not represent the traditions of the club.
And of course the xmas schedule is against us.
Conte shows 'no respect'.
City 'celebrate' too much.
The players are 'childish'.
Bristol City were 'lucky'.
And what about you, your purchases, your coaching and YOUR management Jose?
This will end in tears. This guy cannot deal with being at United and he cannot deal with a changing game. His limitations are being highlighted. I no longer expect anything from him as our manager. He is miserable, ignorant, self-indulged, and his style and management do not represent the traditions of the club.
Best post on here in ages, He is very whiney, always seems to be moaning about something, Like when City were celebrating their win at Old Trafford. He went in and caused a riot, he should have told the players, to listen and do better if they did not want to experience such a thing again.
But Mourinho is not talking about past spending, is he? He is focusing on himself. And he sees that the previous managers have assembled a load of shite as the "most expensive squad in world football".
It is not even about Burnley or Leicester. What Mourinho wants is to catch you. And he sees Pep being allowed to bring in whomever he likes, with multiple ins and outs, contracts ending, freeing up wages for his new players. While Mourinho has been restrained, despite having a poorer squad to start with as compared to City. It is clear from his comments, and cannot be denied, that there is a budget set for him, unlike City who have near unlimited spending.
Unlike Pep, Mourinho has the added pressure from a fanbase that wants him to "develop" Tuanzebe, TFM, Rashford and other youth, without understanding that kids do not win trophies. Also, we must win trophies while playing the youth AND attacking at lightning speed. While the manager has his tactical flaws, these are unreasonable expectations. Its' either focus on playing proven talent with limited time/loans for youth to win things, or play the youth and finish 6th.
He is not blaming City for spending. He simply wants to spend as much as City, or atleast, as much as he needs.
Take a look at this, for instance:
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I think it makes much sense.
We had enough chances to beat Leicester and beat them three times over. Is Jose supposed to go out there and finish for the players too? There’s so much a manager can do. Most of these players have been average attacking wise for quite a few managers.
Also a lot of these players like Rashford have been vastly overrated by the caf. We need to start signing established world class attackers who will frighten defenders. Lukaku is still work in progress. Mkhitaryan is most likely gone. Ibrahimovic was on a free and did well in his first season. But we need to start signing players who are 24/25 entering their prime.
They are not deluded, we have lost points against teams that are inferior to us, we are second while playing badly as a team. Building a cohesive team isn't a matter of money but coaching.
He tried to sign Perisic so he could use him in a 352. He also has a budget. He cannot sign replacements all at once. He is not gonna sit there and say the squad is shit. We need to realise what we were under van gaal and what we are competing with now.
His signings have been good bar Mkhi anyway. City already had a head start on us and will continue to spend. We need to spend more. It's as simple as that. It's just not viable to do it all in one summer. It will take time. We have been destroyed by van gaal and moyes. We are climbing back up.
Right and there were times last season were city were playing badly as a team. Whats your point? Yes Pep has done very well this year but they have spent a lot of money and had a better base to begin with. Like I said, Pep didnt have to spend money to sign de bruyne and aguero. They were already there. Jose had to sign Lukaku and Pogba and use up the budget.
Does our team of this year compete with last years City? Yes. Man United were already behind City in development though. People need to accept that.
Sounds like he's trying to make a point to the board for the coming transfer window. We do need investment so can't say i mind
If he does stay another 2 years (and I doubt that now) his signings have been far better than LvG and the Moyes' non-signings.
I don't think he would waste the money per se but he had too much to do all at once replacing the garbage that had been brought in.
Sounds harsh but if you want to get back to winning the league we don't have anywhere near enough players who can do that.
Out of my preferred 11 I would only keep these if money was no object:
DDG
Baily
Matic (great great buy)
Pogba
Ummm
Rashford and Martial as they have so much upside.
Jones has been decent so far this season.
That's actually it. We are another 4 top class signings at least from competing for the league - that makes me sad.
I don't think he would waste the money per se but he had too much to do all at once replacing the garbage that had been brought in.
Sounds harsh but if you want to get back to winning the league we don't have anywhere near enough players who can do that.
Out of my preferred 11 I would only keep these if money was no object:
DDG
Baily
Matic (great great buy)
Pogba
Ummm
Rashford and Martial as they have so much upside.
Jones has been decent so far this season.
That's actually it. We are another 4 top class signings at least from competing for the league - that makes me sad.
Nice timing, January market is opening. 
Perisic I don't think has ever featured prominently in a wing-back role(someone correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't know if he would have made much difference.
He can sign replacements if he signed off selling players to balance the wages. He has embraced a lot of players that most fans don't think are good. So clearly, he was happy with the squad.
I don't know if Lukaku is a good signing. That's yet to be determined. Same with Lindelof. The rest have been good.
We were level on points with City when Jose and Pep took over both teams. We had a better defense + GK and their attack+midfield was better. It's not like Pep took over a Barcelona squad.
Yeah De Bruyne is great, but even he stepped it up under Pep and plays a somehow new role. We had De Gea too and imo a better defence than them. Aguero isn't really all that important for Pep and we signed some quality players too. City had the better squad, no doubt about that, but the difference wasn't that big and Pep increased it by far with his. decisions. Mourinho wanted 8 players and he got 7 and none of them was a really huge success comparable to game-changers like Hazard or De Bruyne. Pogba is good but for a world record fee I would say he is ok, the other top players are still a level above. If Jose wanted to sign more he could have, it was his decision. He shouldn't have ignored the wings or the fullback area. No need to cry that the spending isn't enough, that just makes him look weak for me.
I’m concerned that he’s already rolling out the excuses, body langauage, demeanor and criticism of players. It’s like he’s gearing up to abandon ship already. I hope the club either back him this window or have a backup plan
Yes de bruyne is great. He also cost 65 million. Mourinho wanted to sign Perisic. He couldnt. We are second and thats where we probably should be at the moment.
Our level before Mourinho wasnt up to City. Pep had more to work with. Mourinho has now got into second place. City are pummeling everyone. Conte wanted more players as well and he was right for wanting more.
I agree, is it stretch to say he has never looked totally happy either?
I know a couple of trophies and all that but I don't think deep down those are the trophies that really matter to him.
I don’t agree with all your classifications. Looking at the list as a whole, there’s no disputing that your first sentence is bang on though
He decided to spend 70 odd million euros on players he's then luke-warm about, Lindleof and Mkhitaryan.
The problem is really that the players he has bought don't seem to be fitting into the system, Lukaku's form has dropped, Henrikh's too, Zlatan today looked lost in that position of this system, though coming back from injury.
Mourinho can blame the Xmas fixtures and the spending but the main issue is that in the second season where Mourinho usually comes good, the players still don't have a clue what to do in attack and the system looks weak.
The problem is really that the players he has bought don't seem to be fitting into the system, Lukaku's form has dropped, Henrikh's too, Zlatan today looked lost in that position of this system, though coming back from injury.
Mourinho can blame the Xmas fixtures and the spending but the main issue is that in the second season where Mourinho usually comes good, the players still don't have a clue what to do in attack and the system looks weak.
I’m reminded of Mourinho’s first couple of seasons at Chelsea when their spending power made them look unstoppable but we ended up stopping them from dominating anyway.
Why spend all that money on Lindelof when we have plenty of CB cover and he is hardly playing. Should have spent it on a winger or a midfielder instead.
Is Jose unravelling? Smacks of his last season at Chelsea. He has spent 292m in two seasons. Hardly chicken feed. His net spend is 235m. This is vast money. He is leaving himself open to ridicule with comments like these. Pochettino has spent 230m since 2014, Klopp 152m since Oct 2015. True Mourinho has won trophies but the use of the other figures is to highlights the insanity of Jose's whinge. Poch has broken even and Klopp's net spend is 30m. Conte won the league with Chelsea coming in at a similar time. He has spent 305m recouping 253m giving him a net spend of 50m. Pep has spent 378m recouping 101m giving him a net spend of 267m. Which is 32m more than Mourinho.
Jose has spent 75m and 90m on Lukaku and Pogba with Mendy at 52m the most expensive Guardiola signing. Stop whinging Jose and get on with your job. The league is most likely City's so aim to win a cup and look to continue the rebuilding job.
Jose has spent 75m and 90m on Lukaku and Pogba with Mendy at 52m the most expensive Guardiola signing. Stop whinging Jose and get on with your job. The league is most likely City's so aim to win a cup and look to continue the rebuilding job.
This is my concern.
He doesn’t look happy, has rarely done so since joining the club, and this transmits to the wider mood around the place.
I don’t think he’s committed to us.
They don't have a backup plan because they are content with the current position. Do the owners think the capital required to win the title is worth the investment when compared with making top 4? The difference for winning the league is not exactly massive. I think this is about where the manager wants to be versus where the owners are content to be.
Has he ever, in his career? He's got famous moments of course but I generally can't think of him as ever being all that joyful. His celebration at the EL win last year seemed to be the happiest moment he's had here, rightly so.
And given that we all know he wants the PL and CL, why would we expect him to be particularly happy when things have been going poorly lately? Always too much being read into body language IMO.
José didn't had to sign Lukaku, he wasn't needed and still isn't, he didn't had to sign Lindelof either, we already have a young CB that isn't having any game time. We needed fullbacks and wide players.
My point is fairly simple, money won't fix our problem, our problem is our inability to identify the weaknesses in our roster and the inability of the manager to create a cohesive team on the field.
Also I don't like to talk about City and even less talk positively about them but last season City were cohesive, you could see what they were trying to do but they had limitations based on the quality of a handful of players. United is a different story, we are good at hustling points, it has been the case almost from day one, but we are not cohesive and our identity is a mystery.
What are you going on about? Everyone on here was shouting for a CB and now saying we do not need one. Crazy how people have short term memories.
We had to start Blind as a CB in the Europa league final due to all the injuries we had towards the end of last season.
His mistake was not getting rid of Blind and Darmian. Then using the money to sign a proper fullback.
We have too many players with big names and not enough skill. I will not say who I think these players are . We have players with a lot more reputation than skill. The club needs to be run by people with football knowledge and not by people with financial knowledge.
I think Man Utd need two quality wingers. But if Man Utd bring in two wingers it wouldn't make sense selling Mkhitaryan since you would need a 10 in such a system.
Sure.
in 1 year, Jose won a domestic trophy and a European trophy.
In 2 years, LVG won a domestic trophy.
Moyes did no damage to the squad except to not get stuck into rebuilding the squad when he took the job. I would accept that a lot of LVG's signings were poor but at least he had the cojones to overhaul the squad which won two trophies with just three players added to it. Moyes innocence and lack of understanding of what was required set Utd back one season but to say he destroyed MU is patent nonsense.
Les interviews en général je ne les supportes plus.
He embraces the squad because that is what he has. He cannot just relace everyone. You say you dont think Perisic will work. Well to be quite frank that's just your opinion and Mourinho is way more qualified than you are. No offence.
De bruyne had been doing great things in Germany. Sterling had already challenged for the title with Liverpool. Those were signed just before pep arrived. Now compare it to all the garbage van gaal bought. Even the better signings like Blind and Herrera are not championship level. Now you can see the gulf in what the two managers were working with.
That’s where Ozil on a free comes in. Ozil with two new wingers would be perfect.
Nah not for me. He looks like he doesn't want his job and can't wait for the next one. Plus he is living away from his family - lost his dad this year too which only makes things harder.
I can remember a lot of his Chelsea press conferences / after match comments and he's never sounded this low.