Indeed, Mourinho will do anything to get an advantage. He has been mouthing off for weeks now and has gone as far as appearing on a football show to further hammer home his point. I've seen people on here compare that to Fergie but he never went to those lengths.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Trying to, at least he would argue that way. But when he came late he went for the shin instead.The Burnley player was passing the ball not tackling, right ?
Some have been mouthing off for years:Indeed, Mourinho will do anything to get an advantage. He has been mouthing off for weeks now and has gone as far as appearing on a football show to further hammer home his point. I've seen people on here compare that to Fergie but he never went to those lengths.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/wen...nce-approach-to-reckless-tackles-6638966.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/201637/Tony-Pulis-Arsene-Wenger-is-a-hypocrite
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/sep/15/arsene-wenger-arsenal-abou-diaby (criticizes press reactions, exactly the same as Mourinho)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...of-reckless-tackles-claims-Arsene-Wenger.html
I don't think he's that different in what concerns defending the physical integrity of his players. Your manager did it, Benitez did it, Ferguson did it, everyone does it.
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The entire situation is a joke. The FA (and football in general) is full of these outdated and obsolete rules and regulations which do not serve the game whatsoever. The only thing that seems to have moved with the times is the amount of money involved now.
He actually passed the ball before Matic arrived, Matic deflected the pass.Trying to, at least he would argue that way. But when he came late he went for the shin instead.
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I remember the outrage from Chelsea when Mikkel, Ramires, and Luiz were leaving their marks on our players. I'm glad to see they have finally come around.
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Basically what it comes down to is that I dont think Matic's actions (regardless of context) merit a red card.
If you take context into account then frankly his reaction was completely justified.
If you take context into account then frankly his reaction was completely justified.
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I agree that he did it on purpose. I've said so already. Definitely don't agree with the snapping of the leg. It's bone we're talking about. You need force to do that. He didn't put any force in that. You think you can, from a stand point with one leg on the ground, break someone else's foot?But you have to agree that he did more than just "leave his foot in". He could have snapped Matic's leg there. I would have gone mental as well if that tackle had been on me and the ref turned a blind eye to it.
Possibly. The push itself was only really a yellow, but the fact Matic charged the way he did meant the ref had no choice but to send him off. I think Matic may have a slight chance of getting the red rescinded, but how many times can you remember a player losing it like that? It's very rare, and I think the FA will want to make a point that it is not at all how they expect a professional player to act.Basically what it comes down to is that I dont think Matic's actions (regardless of context) merit a red card.
If you take context into account then frankly his reaction was completely justified.
peterstorey
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It would be ridiculous if Moo's TV appearance gets him off. I didn't see Barnes doing anything wrong, Matic ran into his follow through, possibly he could have laid off but I'm not sure of that.What a load of nonsense. If you get punched and you punch them back you can't argue about a ban. This is the same thing. Matić committed a red card offence, therefore Matić deserves a ban. Simple as that.
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I actually think its ridiculous that Barnes is getting let off.
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Only issue for me is Barnes ban but he got away with it,just like Sterling,just like some in the past and some will get away with it in the future too.
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I'm not sure if he is getting off or FA are bound by their own stupid rules.I actually think its ridiculous that Barnes is getting let off.
I bet those guys went around saying there is an agenda against them from the refs as well. To a degree all the managers do it but not as much as Mourinho. I don't recall any of them making a last minute appearance on a TV show to further hammer home their point.Some have been mouthing off for years:
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/wen...nce-approach-to-reckless-tackles-6638966.html
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/201637/Tony-Pulis-Arsene-Wenger-is-a-hypocrite
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/sep/15/arsene-wenger-arsenal-abou-diaby (criticizes press reactions, exactly the same as Mourinho)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...of-reckless-tackles-claims-Arsene-Wenger.html
I don't think he's that different in what concerns defending the physical integrity of his players. Your manager did it, Benitez did it, Ferguson did it, everyone does it.
Oh i bet they did. It's the classic deflection tactic. Not saying who does the most but all the managers do it. Well perhaps they don't do last minute appearances on TV but they are creative as well (fachts list, associating refs with teams etc).I bet those guys went around saying there is an agenda against them from the refs as well. To a degree all the managers do it but not as much as Mourinho. I don't recall any of them making a last minute appearance on a TV show to further hammer home their point.
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I disagree that the ref had no choice. Despite his aggressive movement in charging towards Barnes, his actual actions were only worth a yellow for me.Possibly. The push itself was only really a yellow, but the fact Matic charged the way he did meant the ref had no choice but to send him off. I think Matic may have a slight chance of getting the red rescinded, but how many times can you remember a player losing it like that? It's very rare, and I think the FA will want to make a point that it is not at all how they expect a professional player to act.
I don't agree. Context is everything.Context of the situation is irrelevantr.
The way Matic ran was so aggressive and it happened so quick I do not think the ref could have known exactly where Matic pushed Barnes - it could have been in the face which would be a red card in itself. The second Matic charged as he did and attacked Barnes he had already made the ref's decision for him.I disagree that the ref had no choice. Despite his aggressive movement in charging towards Barnes, his actual actions were only worth a yellow for me.
It's not about whether you agree, it's the way the FA have always acted. Plenty of players have reacted to an aggressive challenge or violent act and been punished for it, and not one of them has ever been let off for it. If Evra reacted the same way to Suarez's racism, I'd be pretty certain he'd have received the same punishment. The FA cannot have players unable to control themselves, and those that cannot must be punished, irrespective of the context.I don't agree. Context is everything.
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AgreedIt's not about whether you agree, it's the way the FA have always acted. Plenty of players have reacted to an aggressive challenge or violent act and been punished for it, and not one of them has ever been let off for it. If Evra reacted the same way to Suarez's racism, I'd be pretty certain he'd have received the same punishment. The FA cannot have players unable to control themselves, and those that cannot must be punished, irrespective of the context.
It's not about whether you agree
I don't agree.
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Maybe so, but the ref cant be making decisions based on what "could" have been, if he didnt see it.The way Matic ran was so aggressive and it happened so quick I do not think the ref could have known exactly where Matic pushed Barnes - it could have been in the face which would be a red card in itself. The second Matic charged as he did and attacked Barnes he had already made the ref's decision for him.
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Am I missing something with that "horror tackle?"
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
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You'd be up in arms if that was Di Maria on the receiving end that leg breaker.Am I missing something with that "horror tackle?"
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
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I'd probably have the same opinion because I'm not a 5 year old.You'd be up in arms if that was Di Maria on the receiving end that leg breaker.
He actually passed the ball before Matic arrived, Matic deflected the pass.
Hmmmm.....Am I missing something with that "horror tackle?"
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
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You can't genuinely believe Barnes didn't deserve a 3 match ban. Intentional or not, he's bent Matic's leg with his studs showing.I'd probably have the same opinion because I'm not a 5 year old.
Not sure, a player's reaction to any incident in a game is normally a good indicator of the severity of it. Matic has probably been on the receiving end of a fair few tackles, so the fact he reacted so angrily would suggest he knew full well Barnes had intent behind what he did. Barnes reaction after also seemed to suggest he knew full well what he had done. I agree that the description of it as a 'leg-breaker' are hyperbolic though, there was never enough force in the challenge to leave anything more than superficial damage.Am I missing something with that "horror tackle?"
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
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His studs are showing as the result of a pass aren't they? Matic has come in to tackle/block and Barnes has followed through. I'm not sure how that's an unnatural movement, or what else he's supposed to do. Only Barnes will know if he's seen the challenge coming and tried to leave one on MaticYou can't genuinely believe Barnes didn't deserve a 3 match ban. Intentional or not, he's bent Matic's leg with his studs showing.
Wait.. That tackle didn't end in a red card?Hmmmm.....
Is the ref & the FekcAll freaking stupid?
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Thats a clear red, but so is the Matic reaction though tbhHmmmm.....
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Nice passing there.
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No chance did he mean that
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If his leg is planted it doesn't take much too much to break his leg when you go in studs up.Not sure, a player's reaction to any incident in a game is normally a good indicator of the severity of it. Matic has probably been on the receiving end of a fair few tackles, so the fact he reacted so angrily would suggest he knew full well Barnes had intent behind what he did. Barnes reaction after also seemed to suggest he knew full well what he had done. I agree that the description of it as a 'leg-breaker' are hyperbolic though, there was never enough force in the challenge to leave anything more than superficial damage.
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Anyone shocked at this one, should see some of the tackles on my lot at Wycombe this season. We're talking proper launched 2 footers. Not an unfortunate follow through when someone nips in quicker than Barnes expected!Am I missing something with that "horror tackle?"
Barnes is reaching to make a pass and gets there before Matic. It's not even a tackle. I really don't think Barnes is that quick in his head or feet that he planned to follow through onto Matic's grounded leg.
And no one has said, it was so ferocious, that Matic was able to get up and sprint at him, before heroically shoving him from behind!
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The FA won't support "vigilante justice" on the pitch. The referee controls the players and the punishment. The appeal is pointless, especially because Matic's behavior did not happen during the run of play, it was an outright act of aggression.I think that Chelski are right to appeal to be fair. Hard not to lose your shit after somebody tries to break your leg (and apparently Barnes was being a cnut the whole match) and gets completly away with it, not even saying sorry or something.
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He was looking at Matic, knew what he was doing. I would have gave him a 6 month banHmmmm.....
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No idea why you removed second part of my post but I've already said that I expect panel to tell them to feck off, it's pretty obvious.The FA won't support "vigilante justice" on the pitch. The referee controls the players and the punishment. The appeal is pointless, especially because Matic's behavior did not happen during the run of play, it was an outright act of aggression.
Americano
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Because you supported Chelsea's appeal but I think it's pointless for them to waste their time since there's no grounds to excuse Matic's behavior.No idea why you removed second part of my post but I've already said that I expect panel to tell them to feck off, it's pretty obvious.
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Matic deserved to be sent off no matter how dangerous and threatening Barnes' stupid tackle was. How Barnes can escape punishment is another proof that football rules are completely broken and need a big change.
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You can see exactly what Barnes was looking at and thinking about from a crappy vine?He was looking at Matic, knew what he was doing. I would have gave him a 6 month ban