Love the circus tent design, very fitting for the clowns that run the place
That's the only part I'm not keen on
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
That's the only part I'm not keen on
It's been overplayed bit I read a comment extolling the similarity the tent design creates to a circus and his reasoning was that it would amplify the child like joy that football at it's basest form represents and I got to say i somewhat agree with that sentiment.
After all first and foremost isn't the point of football having a bit of fun?
After all first and foremost isn't the point of football having a bit of fun?
Keane on Haaland
I mean, the circus is first and foremost a place people went to to be entertained. High wire artists, acrobats, magicians, dare devils etc.
For some reason people now think a circus is/was just a clown show.
Regardless, it’ll look absolutely nothing like a circus tent when constructed, it’ll be a temple.
Alluring idea but those moment would have to go further back than 1996, Old Trafford have been around since 1910.
Also, I'd love for them to be moments from Old Trafford, as a homage to the old stadium.
Andy Mitten talking about the stadium. Some interesting images from the new stadium presentation. His own speech to camera is from an angle looking at the current OT that most fans never see or is one they scarcely notice as they walk towards the ground.
I suspect a lot of us are feeling the same.
I suspect a lot of us are feeling the same.
Ashley Young getting shat on.
United won't be paying for the homes. That's where government investment comes in.
And even if results don't improve it shouldn't stop investment into the club.
And nobody with a brain cell would give two shits about concerts being held at the stadium after a loss. The two things are completely unrelated.
Anybody with a brain cell would know that concerts being held after a loss will come with negative press as the media will manipulate narratives to suit it.
This then has a knock on affect to millions of people who’ll be influenced by their thinking and who’ll jump straight on it.
It’s what the media game lives for.
Yes we should invest. Who said we shouldn’t? We should invest even more in the youth facilities, the scouting network, new players & coaches… you know, football things.
This new stadium is replacing one the most historical footballing grounds of all time and the focus should solely be on the football. Anything else is an insult… Music Concerts and England NT games can be an added bonus for the owners. But not something that’s being a major influence in this whole concept or something that’s being sold as a pro to us supporters as if we are stupid. These concerts will benefit the Owners and the owners only. Not the club. We’ll never see that money invested back in. There is literally no pro for us as a club having all the other events there. They are just distractions.
It’s proper weird why you are so defensive about Lizzo being able to sing there anyway…
Yes, it will be spun negatively if there's a concert following poor performances and results, but so what? Do we avoid negative press if we don't do that stuff?
It's the same crap we hear when stupid sponsorship deals are ridiculed, as if securing and strengthening the commercial side of the club has no bearing on our future ability to compete.
Yes, the Glazers have leeched money out of the club, but the club's commercial success has allowed us to invest heavily into the squad (obviously not effectively, but that's a separate point).
Gigs are held in the summer - that’s when artists who can fill stadia tour. You don’t have gigs during the season.
It’s an entirely moot point.
Gigs happen at multiple stadia each and every year.
Wembley is frankly more of a music stadium now than a football stadium. Each year gigs are held at Wembley, The Olympic Stadium, Emirates and the Spurs stadium.
There not a lot north of London. Every now and again Villa have some gigs, and Sunderland do - but the new United ground could really tap into this revenue stream.
Anyone with half a brain cell would know that you don’t have stadium gigs during the season.
Furthermore, you do need to have a stadium that is multi-purpose.
Focus solely on football - just imagine if there were Rugby League games held at Old Trafford! That would be sacrilegious.
Babe’s crossing
A giant bronze Avram Glazer head to strike fear into the hearts of our opponents
Hold on, you are building 2bill stadium of art. But a 70mil cost of a proper roof (new bernabeu claim that) would not be worth it? In one of the most rainy and windy city in the world... Trying to make a fortune all year on music concerts, boxing events, you name it. That said, with huge umbrella and a compact plazza covered altogether, there should be a dry and (luke)warm conditions in and around the New Trafford for much of the year.
The only question remains: will a tripple header of the Brand New Heavies, Level 42 and Simply Red sound and look better proposition than struggling United against a Foxes.. Avram would love all the revenue from these shows. He´d fly over every Thursday to watch Littler at Premierleague darts event stagged at New Trafford, charging the club 5mil each trip. Heres a hope Jimmy has a plan how to kick the Glazers out of Manchester.
Artists that can fill out stadiums don’t tour during the season. Big artists don’t just do one off gigs - there is simply no demand for non summer gigs of stadium size.
There is no need for a roof
I've seen a lot of people (Andy Mitten for one) use "Trigger's Broom" as a basis for saying that Old Trafford has changed so much over the years that it's no longer the same ground. The problem with that line of thinking is that it can easily be extended to cover "Manchester United Football Club" as a whole. Is there anything about the club that exists today that holds over from the 1950s, for example?
The Cliff training ground although it's not for first team anymore.
Manchester isn't even close to being that in the UK never mind the world which tells me you've probably never even been there, especially when you call it New Trafford which is an abomination of a name to a large % of United fans
Outdoor rock concerts, boxing events and such like are held in areans without retractable roofs everywhere all year round without issues,
This feels like a pipe dream to me, not to be negative. Will the government really answer all of Jim's emails and give the go ahead on the wider development?
Ship of Theseus paradox certainly.
Old Trafford isn’t the same ground as it was. But it’s the playing area that’s historic.
The stands and the turf aren’t original, but leaving the area itself is what matters to fans.
Nice ideas. It’d be cool if they could seed all the green areas from the Old Trafford turf or something too.
We'd be building the stadium in the car park so we're not leaving the area.
Someome in this thread suggested turning the current pitch into a public park which I think is a great idea if it's feasible. A functional monument to the old stadium.
Yeh, I just mean that specific area. Moving just 100 feet away is still not the same area where the Busby Babes took to the field.
Yep fully on board with that if possible. Anything that keeps that space as something meaningful.
Excellent photo by Richard Storey from Thursday night of Old Trafford with the backdrop of Salford Quays
Geology alone dictates that the pitch the Busby Babes played on is not the same as the one we play on today. And that's ignoring the amount of times it's been dug up and re-laid over the years and shifted in different directions.
If you were to lift up the entire ground, pitch included, as it is today and shift it 100ft north, would you say that's no longer the same area?
Ironically, one of the poorest decisions we made in hindsight is not shifting the north stand further north when we rebuilt it in the 90s. It would have allowed us to move the pitch further north and expand the south stand without having to worry about the train tracks behind it. We'd probably have a 90k+ seater stadium already.
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Rebuild it as it was in 1910. Seems like the only solution.
Thanks. Like that video.
Rather than the polarising views you see on this forum, and indeed online I like his view “I’m alright about it’.
On the regeneration piece, I’ve seen what happened in North Greenwich, Stratford and Wembley - areas completely transformed due to new stadia (and the O2 Arena). It’s what the area needs.
One of the few decent journalists out there Mitten, alongside Ornstein and Paul Joyce. And Rashford of course. Not a journo per se but his mate always had a starting line-up spot on way before the kick-off.
What I dont understand is that the current stadium with the south stand up to the same height as the reast would've been 100k overall. How then would the new Stretford End be so much bigger than the current one?
When we were discussing on here years ago about the south stand/train track etc people would post a mirror image of the north stand to give an idea of what an expanded Old Trafford would look like. Would the new one be a similar design/height to that as the numbers match up at 100k is capacity?
When we were discussing on here years ago about the south stand/train track etc people would post a mirror image of the north stand to give an idea of what an expanded Old Trafford would look like. Would the new one be a similar design/height to that as the numbers match up at 100k is capacity?
The new one will be higher and the stands will have a bigger span. Sure OT could get around 90K but it'd have smaller seats and treads(leg room).
Cool, thanks. So it's going to look massive as feck, if it gets the go ahead.
It wasn't possible then, United didn't own all the land at that time, there were industrial estates that were in operation, access to those were only available via United Road which is why the stand was built over the road
Well it wouldn't be would it.
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it's the same grass the babes played on. But it is the same pitch, the pitch hasn't moved in over a century as I understand it.
I can't remember from the renders and I'm sure they aren't final. But I would like it if the new stadium also had raised dugouts like Old Trafford. It's a failry unique part of OT that you don't see in 99% of stadiums.
I wonder was that Fergie's idea so that he got a better view of the pitch.
I'd like if the dugouts were kept in the new stadium. To me they're iconic.
Otherwise maybe have them in the fa zones/plazas so that you can sit in them.
They aren’t central either, which is weird.
Just been on a tour of the Bernabeu. Incredibly impressive but my god it’s lost its soul and feels like a corporate office block. Really hope we manage to avoid this with the new build!