The difference is because St James park had a legacy. It's why Spurs are struggling to sell the naming rights to their gaff. They tried for to much and now it's been a few years and the current name is in peoples mindset.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
The difference is because St James park had a legacy. It's why Spurs are struggling to sell the naming rights to their gaff. They tried for to much and now it's been a few years and the current name is in peoples mindset.
It's in Gorse Hill. I grew up in Old Trafford, no-one considered the ground to be in Old Trafford proper, its way past the border. Technically it's in gorse hill, but colloquially it is too.
I can only assume the borders changed at some point in history. But I'm in my 40s and the area was never old Trafford in my lifetime, so it must have been some time ago.
It’s also on the exact same site. I don’t think there’s any convention of keeping a stadium name whilst moving the actual site of the ground. Is there?
That conversation was maybe a bit confusing but for context someone was suggesting that we could rename the current Stadium and people would be fine not calling it Old Tradfford and just adopt the new name. I don't believe that would be the case.
I reckon it will be; The Amazon Trident Theatre of Dreams.
Thanks Michael
This is a very good point. I’d forgotten that detail.
Gorse Hill is the electoral ward it includes, Old Trafford, Gorse Hill and Trafford Park. Well... according to Wiki anyway.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorse_Hill_(ward)
That was the old voting boundary, and only included a tiny bit of Old Trafford, that being a little bit of housing around the quadrant and along the tram track. The voting ward covering the bulk of Old Trafford was previously known as Clifford (link). But both those wards were abolished in 2023 and now the ward is called Old Trafford.
Obviously voting boundaries and what people call an area don't always match up, as they carve up areas based on population. So you often get little bits of housing in the "wrong" area. But locally the housing in and around Railway Road, along with the housing estates behind the Gorse Hill Pub, are known as Gorse Hill.
Ok. We’ve had the diversion from the protests. Now what we need is an official announcement of when work will begin
That sounds positive, in terms of it's from the government and they're keen to get cracking?
She grew up in Manchester so might be personally invested.
Why does it look so pink
It does yes, if it's going to happen then I hope it gets started soon and finished asap. I hope it doesn't drag on for years.
She mentions a few times it's not just for MUFC and to separate us from their overall intentions and financing
I would expect to hear an official confirmation of the build at some point. That's not happened yet as far as aware
It won't happen until the design is finalised
The size is impressive but is anyone going to be left satisfied?
The wider development could be really amazing if done right.
It could be mixed development with really good public transport, only 15 minutes from the city centre, canal walkways etc...
It's an exciting development. Very modern, sustainable, walkable etc...
These things don't even cost the government that much.
They rezone the land and provide the transport infrastructure and private developers do everything else.
Not this time
satisfaction is not all about the size, its what they do with it is key
A bigger size doesn't necessarily equal satisfaction.
What kind of yield would we be paying on the debt to finance the stadium?
Get the taxpayer to foot the bill.
It will
Even on my local club's forum i spotted some bell end moaning about how he hopes no money will ever go from his tax to it!
And picked up on the vet's discount halving but ignoring that the rise is 5% only and we recently had 11 years without a price increase!
But it's United so the negative stuff always gets focused on.
Are we still talking about the ground?
I mean the overall area project announcement.
The main reason I don’t attend more games is the crap system they have where you have to know your plans for 12 months and buy all the tickets in the summer.
Other than that it’s the lack of proper resale channels. I don’t really trust buying off forums so I’m not confortable doing so. Maybe that’s just an abundance of caution but I’ve heard people have issues getting tickets to scan or whatnot.
The away allocation was someone else’s point. Just pointed out allocations are different for different events. The increase in expenditure is going to come from home fans and extra events like concerts, rugby, international games, hosting a CL final etc.
Does anyone who has been following this closely know when the club ideally want to start the new stadium build?
ASAP, but won't until government funding for the wider area is confirmed, so the rail depot can be moved. I'm sure there's an awful lot to do before they knock that down, but no point in starting until its confirmed. The spring statement is next week, I suppose it could be confirmed then, but I doubt it. Good noises from Lisa Nandy earlier in the week though.
The official statement said they hope to break ground before the end of this year and be in the new stadium for the start of the 30-31 season. Bit optimistic but I suppose Ratcliffe doesn't want to wait around.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/62...ll-stadiums-manchester-united-vision-reality/
Interesting Athletic article about what recent projects can tell us about our plans for the stadium. I think what jumped out to me, is that when a project does get government/council approval, the plans and and drawings do end up looking fairly similar to the finished product.
Interesting Athletic article about what recent projects can tell us about our plans for the stadium. I think what jumped out to me, is that when a project does get government/council approval, the plans and and drawings do end up looking fairly similar to the finished product.
I just saw a headline that Brisbane a new 63k stadium for 2032 Olympics. Interesting it's fitting the same timeline, which probably makes ours feel a little more realistic too.
I know they've got a hard deadline, they can't not get it done, it's the Olympics. Which will push them harder than us, but still, it feels more plausible.
I know they've got a hard deadline, they can't not get it done, it's the Olympics. Which will push them harder than us, but still, it feels more plausible.
The Financial Times has the best article I've found today.
It is behind a paywall, but the FT has an agreement with Google to allow one article a day through. Type 'FT how will manchester united pay' into chrome and it should come up, though you might have to use an incognito tab.
I guess most will know but as well as being £731m in debt we owe another £291m to other clubs, which is quite depressing. But overall it is more evidence that the board are extremely serious about their plans, which I like.
It is behind a paywall, but the FT has an agreement with Google to allow one article a day through. Type 'FT how will manchester united pay' into chrome and it should come up, though you might have to use an incognito tab.
I guess most will know but as well as being £731m in debt we owe another £291m to other clubs, which is quite depressing. But overall it is more evidence that the board are extremely serious about their plans, which I like.
Or just use the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2025032.../content/6c59464a-95a3-43df-bed8-8833a890fe8d
Personally I don’t hate the idea of having “The Trident” included in some form of naming convention.
I imagine having both stadiums standing at the same time will mean the “Old Trafford” name remains with the old stadium.
You can’t expect people to call them both Old Trafford.
Also how sad will it be when they start demolishing Old Trafford in the background once the new stadium is built.
I have sooooo many mixed feelings about this whole topic.
I imagine having both stadiums standing at the same time will mean the “Old Trafford” name remains with the old stadium.
You can’t expect people to call them both Old Trafford.
Also how sad will it be when they start demolishing Old Trafford in the background once the new stadium is built.
I have sooooo many mixed feelings about this whole topic.
Thank you. I found the site hard to use but I'm getting a bit past it and my attention span seems to be shortening as well
Once they start construction it will be done in a couple of years. I think Spurs stadium took about 3 years to build and that was with a year delay from memory.
When they can start construction is another matter. That's what will take time.
Ah, I hadn't thought of both stadiums being there at the same time. Maybe something like Amazon Old Trafford would solve that, which I don't think would be at all invalid just 50 yards away, if that. Awkward though.
Yeah, it will be sad, hopefully ameliorated by knowing what elements will be retained in whatever replaces it.