Through the lens of the Khashoggi murder but with a little bit of background noise from a small army of lunatics who want money for their football club.
Newcastle owners sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Attack of the Clones. They don't want the heritage or the glory, they want an army of angry idiots who'll go online to defend them at any cost.
I think bringing football clubs into serious conversations that are then caught in a continuous, dull loop irks people, not defending these acts because they own Newcastle.
Sport washing isn’t so great that a United fan will simply defend Saudi for it. That’s just nonsense.
No offence but I love this train of thought that it’s now sport washing that offers the opposing opinion to your views when the fact is these threads have always been a shit show
So Sports washing doesn’t exist then?
Make minds up about what?
Lot of non truths and half truths in this but talking about it will just fuel the "see, sportswashing works, look at the people defending this!" type of comments.
I think there's room for discussing the differences between different countries policies and nobody accused that poster of sportswashing but I don't think they'll be able to respond over their comments re the burqa/niqab.
Anyone who wants to by United, obviously.
Because buying Newcastle hasn't erased the memory of a shocking murder you then conclude sportswashing doesn't exist? It's a bit more gradual an nuanced than a magic trick?
You don't even know what it means
Neither do most people throwing the phrase around thinking it adds weight to their posts
Even if you were to believe sportswashing exists, to think anything on the Caf is proof of sportswashing remains one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen here, which is no ordinary feat
What do you mean I don’t know what it means? You see the post I was replying to?You don't even know what it means
Neither do most people throwing the phrase around thinking it adds weight to their posts
Even if you were to believe sportswashing exists, to think anything on the Caf is proof of sportswashing remains one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen here, which is no ordinary feat
Imagine gate keeping sports washing as an online hobby..
You're laughing at someone for not being able to define something you say doesn't exist.You don't even know what it means
Neither do most people throwing the phrase around thinking it adds weight to their posts
Even if you were to believe sportswashing exists, to think anything on the Caf is proof of sportswashing remains one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen here, which is no ordinary feat
That's quite a feat of mental gymnastics.
Exactly that
There's not even a coherent definition of the term (on here) that holds up to any scrutiny! That's what I'm laughing at. I can hold that view AND decide to believe countries aren't up to the act (based on a theoretical coherent definition, which again, I've not seen on here).
It's very safe to say that linking online posts on a football forum to the deliberate planning and actions of a sovereign state is something that can be laughed at.
Maybe one day someone will define it to your satisfaction. In the meantime, laugh away, it's just not a great look to be so compelled to engage for the sole purpose of sneering.
So you're holding the view that countries aren't doing an act you don't know any coherent definition of?
I mean you can hold that view, but I can hold the view that that's rather bizarre independent of what the actual act is.
Thanks, mate (I don't deserve that, but thanks nonetheless).
As for the response, I would like to hear your thoughts - of course.
A football forum is just a sample of wider society. You don't think plenty of newcastle, city, psg, etc fans tend to be defensive about this and many tend to whatabout their way out of criticism of these regimes because their club happens to be owned by one? If you talk to real people you'll find these people. Even in the many threads about city's title people complain pundits tend to ignore the cheating and human rights abuse for the sake of the integrity of the game, so there's an obvious real world effect to this, it baffles me you can't see it.
If this football forum is representative sample of wider society then god help us all!
Anecdotally (yes, yes - but what else can I possibly offer), I can tell you this:
I have people in my life that I have known for decades who have surprised (perhaps even shocked, in some cases) me lately. They are making (to me) insane arguments in order to defend a possible Qatari takeover.
These are people who have consistently been either raging or laughing about City's ownership. And in most cases people who did the same when Saudi/Newcastle was announced. Not one of them has ever previously suggested:
a) that it's unreasonable to simply associate City's owner with the UAE (the state)
or b) that being owned by a state (with virtually unlimited funds in a football context) is not hugely problematic in and of itself
or c) that the basic problem with City is that they're a "small" club (they needed to cheat, a "big" club wouldn't need to).
They do now, though (all of the above).
As I keep saying, this could be called (the effect/result) of "sportswashing" or not. But it clearly is a phenomenon - we have all seen it, both online and in RL.
What the actual effect of this is...who knows? But to dismiss the phenomenon seems either naive or...plain disingenuous: United have hundreds of millions of fans across all kinds of demographics (very much unlike City at the time of their takeover by...whatever we want to call their owners).
I have people in my life that I have known for decades who have surprised (perhaps even shocked, in some cases) me lately. They are making (to me) insane arguments in order to defend a possible Qatari takeover.
These are people who have consistently been either raging or laughing about City's ownership. And in most cases people who did the same when Saudi/Newcastle was announced. Not one of them has ever previously suggested:
a) that it's unreasonable to simply associate City's owner with the UAE (the state)
or b) that being owned by a state (with virtually unlimited funds in a football context) is not hugely problematic in and of itself
or c) that the basic problem with City is that they're a "small" club (they needed to cheat, a "big" club wouldn't need to).
They do now, though (all of the above).
As I keep saying, this could be called (the effect/result) of "sportswashing" or not. But it clearly is a phenomenon - we have all seen it, both online and in RL.
What the actual effect of this is...who knows? But to dismiss the phenomenon seems either naive or...plain disingenuous: United have hundreds of millions of fans across all kinds of demographics (very much unlike City at the time of their takeover by...whatever we want to call their owners).
Such a lovely high horse you have. It's amazing.
The truly scary part is this is already a semi competently curated sample of society
You should take a look at the comments section on Fox News, those are truly scary and I understand that Newsmax's version is even worse!The truly scary part is this is already a semi competently curated sample of society
Come on: countries who still have this royalty members ruling the country just because they were born in the right place, those royal family members probably get away with much worse stuff.
If drug cartel leaders amuse themselves financing snuff videos collections and organizing sports hunting of human beings, these kind of people have the power to basically do that and much worse without any legal repercussion.
If drug cartel leaders amuse themselves financing snuff videos collections and organizing sports hunting of human beings, these kind of people have the power to basically do that and much worse without any legal repercussion.
What is sportswashing?
Got themselves a shiny new tagline... Nice