Lads if you want this to be in the football forum it has to be a discussion based around Newcastle and their owners, not a wider discussion about the US and generic execution talk. That type of discussion belongs in the CE forum
Newcastle owners sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests
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It's not worthy of any sort of respect in the context of Saudi oppression.
I'm not muslim SilentWitness. For me they might as well be 2 separate items.
Like how a car can be your be best friend vs a killing machine, depending on how it's used.
I'd talk differently about the car, depending on the context.
Weird analogy, I know, but I don't really know how else to put it.
You don’t need to be a Muslim, just need to not be an ignorant arsehole.
The talk about the US and the generic execution talk is forced by the very same people who want to take focus away from Newcastle's owners. You're both giving them what they want and spelling out how they can get what they want in the future.
Giving traditional garb any sort of reverence in a context where it's literally a torture device, makes it easier for people to look away with the excuse "its their religion/culture".
There's a reasoning for me making this distinction. I think we'd all benefit if we'd disassociate Islam with that barbaric regime to the extent possible. They are trying their damn hardest to make their ways synonymous with the religion.
The damage the Saudi's have already done with exporting their fascist ideology is stunning. You could argue they've had as much a hand in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as the US as well as the resulting increase in islamophobia in the West.
I find it interesting that you’re concerned about Islamophobia while calling religious items associated to Islam, garbage bags.
People made funny posts in the first few pages: you immoral twats 
People when Qatar wants to buy United: Mbappe
People when Qatar wants to buy United: Mbappe
Yes, but if you wanted to point out the issue of people conflating the two, you could have done your post like this (and I’ve actually agreed with posts in the past of yours about the problem with people substituting them in for each other).
But you specifically included the line “Life in Qatar is pretty decent for nearly everyone if you shut up about politics.” and I found that really fascinating, why is why I asked what the reason for including it was. And you answered!
So before Golden Blunder gets annoyed about CE talk I’m going to bounce, but thank you for accommodating my request
The ideas you people have of places you’ve never been to, are actually insane.In certain circumstances yes
Well I should hope so. I presumed you wouldn't want it for littering.
These threads are the perfect example that sports washing works wonders.
Now that's being silly
I noticed my first post in the thread was removed. Seems a little harsh but perhaps I could have used clearer language to convey my point.
How is that so?? I'm willing to bet that more lives and kids for that matter are being cruelly lost in the US than in KSA. People really need to start looking closer to home before spouting all this sportswashing crap.
How is the US closer to home and how are kids dying there linked in anyway to the premier league?
There's also quite a few threads about gun violence, police brutality etc in the US so what's your point?
What have those poor guys being sentenced to death got to do with the Premier League also??
Thanks for proving my point.
Before sports washing "these saudis are murdering kids"... "wow fecking dickheads"
After sports washing "the saudis are murdering kids"... "yeah what about america, stop being a hypocrite"
I believe there might be a clue in the thread title.
Why don't you answer his question first, then he'll answer yours?
This is where sportswashing is inaccurately used to promote a narrative. I haven't proved any point of yours.
Nowhere have I condoned the Saudis for what they are doing.
How about "the saudis are murdering kids"...."wow, fecking dickeads"...."yeah and so are those fecking Americans"
Why bring up Americans at all? It's absolutely irrelevant in the context.
While it may not be, it appears to be an attempt to deflect the conversation away from the subject with whataboutery. There's more than one thread about gun deaths in America. You can discuss that there if you wish. What is the motivation behind bringing it in here?
I wasn't aware that the executions were taking place at St. James' Park?
So I'm guessing that puts an end to the LIV golf, Saudi GP and boxing events once and for all then? I'll be expecting Sky Sports not to be showing any of those events in future.
Or are you going to not watch Sky Sports if they do? Just askin'.
Well what's the motivation in bring up something occurring in Saudi Arabia here?
Why are you assuming that someone admonishing Saudi executing these boys wouldn't also admonish America for all the shit they do to their own people? It's completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand and needlessly stifles meaningful discourse.
I don't watch much Sky sports and I don't watch golf and I don't pay for any boxing I do watch.
But this post is just more deflection and then the old 'I'm just asking questions' schtick. This is hilariously transparent. Again what actual point are you trying to make?
In the thread about something which is happening in Saudi Arabia? Are you incredibly dim or just pretending to be?
EDIT: Again refusing to answer any question posed, I see.
You're the one who must be dim. What the feck has it got to do with Newcastle United? Putting them in the thread title was such a cheap shot and just sensationalising the issue for clickbait.
How about "Saudi government sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests". It's got absolutely nothing to do with Newcastle United as a club. And if you are really making any tenuous links to them, then you are incredibly dumb!
Is this an episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway, where they do that "answer every question with a question" game? Still very interested in an answer to this:
I'm not sure you understand the term 'clickbait', you don't believe in Sportswashing yet you're denying that Newcastle are state owned and you're also trying to derail this thread with some vague irrelevant nonsense about kids dying in America. You're having an absolute mare here.
You're the one who seems to be looking for a narrative by bringing up americans.
This is a football forum and the saudis bought a football club. More, this is a thread about the saudi criminals killing young kids.
Bringing up others is just what the saudis want, so well done, I guess.
It... It is?
The Saudis are very interesting people.
By the way, @Chesterlestreet, I owe you a response, seeing as you're the only one in this thread who's put a coherent meaning behind the word sportswashing
I think it is, if everyone is a piece of shit, then no one is a piece of shit. Everything is relative. Saudis and americans are all the same, so why bother? Lets just enjoy the ride.
If the Saudis hadn't bought Newcastle, this incident would have been swept under the rug. Compare it to all the other atrocities happening around the world that are being ignored.
If anything, it proves that sportswashing isn't a thing. This instance is evidence that it actually works the other way around by turning a spotlight onto the owners.
If anything, it proves that sportswashing isn't a thing. This instance is evidence that it actually works the other way around by turning a spotlight onto the owners.
How much attention do you think this story is actually getting?
Have you seen it being reported or discussed in any mainstream media? 10 pages on Red Cafe where a lot of the discussion was about the death penalty in general isn't exactly what I'd call being in the spotlight.
That's still more than it otherwise would have done. An extra 7.1k likes on Twitter is better than 0.
The Newcastle ownership has increased visibility of Saudi internal politics. For sportswashing to be a real phenomenon, that would have to be the other way around.
Sportwashing is definitely a real phenomenon - https://www.britannica.com/topic/sportwashing
The fact that people are talking about the problems within nations engaging in it only reinforces the fact that these countries are incentivized to sportwash their way out of it.
So is flat earth - https://www.britannica.com/topic/flat-Earth
Sportswashing is just a hand-wavy way of saying "involvement of people in sport I don't llike".
7k is literally nothing. Pull the other one.
Perhaps you prefer the term reputation laundering.
https://www.idea.int/blog/explainer-what-‘sportswashing’-and-how-does-it-threaten-democracy