Define evil though?
Newcastle owners sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
i don’t agree with capital punishment by the way.
There is a Russian anarchist called Alexander Berkman who wrote about the legitimacy of assassinations that would serve a greater good. He himself tried it, and failed spectacularly, and went to prison. He wrote an amazing book called the Prison Memoirs of an Anarchist which starts off as a philosophical discussion about murder and ends up as an amazing analysis of incarceration. Highly recommend.
Maybe, but the option of execution is protected by law on one country and not in the other
How is this still in the football forum? 
Nah, the poverty and desperation in our world means the risk is worth taking for some. Once the reward is enough.
We are going a little off topicHow is this still in the football forum?
Oh I didn't get the impression you did.
But if it put 10% off a crime would it be a positive thing?
Well it is does have the sanction of murder in the title so only a littleWe are going a little off topic
Not for me.
The state in my opinion, if it exists, must set standards. It can't be outside its own laws.
And also 1 dead innocent far outweighs any possible deterrent.
That could easily be reversed, you can bet your boots that if a politician thought it would win them enough votes they'd do it in a heartbeat
Probably right, in the grand scheme of things. But there need to be more support for prisons, no point locking people up with no chance of turning it around.
The latter is basically why the UK abolished it, too many wrong executions
I'll give that a look. It's sounds right up my street. We were given a tour of Mountjoy years ago (my friend was doing a photography exhibition on Mountjoy and got us in). This was back when you could get in. John Lonergan was in charge then. It was really interesting and we saw the Playboy of the Western World put on the prisoners but listening to Lonergan talk about the prison system was very interesting. One thing he pointed out which I heard him speak about in an interview later was why the majority of the prison population was from a few small area so of Dublin.
https://www.dublincity.ie/library/blog/john-lonergan-transcript
Yep, really interesting stuff. Especially as a native of one of those areas. If not one, it'd be close.
I wonder if the same would be true of a lot of cities in the UK, I suspect it might be similar, but before anyway says anything I have no actual idea or evidence
It is the same globally I'd say.I wonder if the same would be true of a lot of cities in the UK, I suspect it might be similar, but before anyway says anything I have no actual idea or evidence
I wouldn't disagree, would be curious to see if there's any evidence of it, when I lived in Rochdale many moons ago I'm pretty sure 90% of the towns crooks lived on the same housing estate I did - and no .... I'm one of the 10%
Another is that it's cheaper than putting people in prison for life - and again that's not true either, at least for the US.
It's a little off-topic though, don't you think? We've swerved a little away from Saudi Arabia executing people for what shouldn't be an offense at all, how them owning Newcastle should make supporting that club difficult, and how United fans might face similar issues in the future if the Qatari bid wins.
To be honest, murderers are the first ones who decide that someone shouldn't be alive ( for whatever reason), so they murder that person.
I'm not a fully supporter of death penalty, but for some guy who murdered many people, i think he loses his human rights.
He's an interesting guy. I've seen a bunch of interviews with him over the years
I can't remember where I read about it previously, but if I look it up now, it still seems correct. See for example:
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/which-is-cheaper-execution-or-life-in-prison-without-parole-31614
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison
This is for the US only. There is some variation, but in most states, the death penalty is considerably more expensive because of the special treatment and process costs.
It's not necessarily where I would to go, cause it's first and foremost a moral and legal question; but it's always interesting how even economic arguments often don't hold up when it comes to harsh policy (similar with minimum wage and welfare - since we're off-topic anyway).
Interesting, seems it's generally more costly because of legal fees for the multiple appeals rather than the actual cost of incarcerating them, give that it usually takes 20 years or more to actually carry out the sentence that's not surprising I guess
Yeah, it's everything around it, and the special status death row prisoners have. If all that were taken away and the execution took.place much sooner, the additional cost would disappear. But obviously, the death penalty needs all that extra scrutiny (and even then it's wrong far too often given the nature of the penalty), and so it's kinda unavoidable if done properly. (Insofar as a word like 'properly' is applicable to the death penalty...)
And these people are criminals, so the state should be better than that.
I wasnt really apologising Rood, I was really asking you to take responsibility for banging your drum inappropriately, especially after you initially only entered the thread to admonish inappropriate posts.
Deaf ears at this point.
So you think the majority of people want it, and the politicians, but have you answered the question as to whether you support the death penalty, reading between the lines, you do?
Obviously I know that
Bizarre for you to ask me an off topic question and then get upset about the part of my answer which was actually relevant to Newcastle United though
And I took issue with the inappropriate jokes and sarcasm at the start of this thread, thankfully that seems to have stopped now that the thread has been moved
There are some significant differences between LGBT rights in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
For one, while homosexual acts are punishable by death in both countries, this has never been applied in Qatar and 2. the mere act of existing as a gay person is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia and not in Qatar.
Now get off your high horse and consider the impact of these differences on someone born gay in either country.
And let's not ignore the fact that half the population in Saudi Arabia (which would include me) is forced to wear a garbage bag with 2 holes in it all the time and every non facsist sunni muslim is executed.
So I'm sorry that I'm not overlooking the fact that 99% of all readers here would get executed in Saudi Arabia, and could have a semblance of a life in Qatar.
Yes، I know the horror stories of migrant workers in Qatar, but I think a genocidal war in Yemen, which the Saudi scum are fully responsible for is far, far worse. Saudis don't treat guests kindly either: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-desert/84d4efce-b317-4d48-aaa8-b8a4551bba19/
It's fine to find Qatar ownership of the club undesirable, but the amount of conflating I see between Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries (or Iran sometimes, I kid you not) is fecking moronic.
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Really disappointed that this thread has been moved from the football forum.
Same.
I haven't posted but am as appalled by this as any decent human is. If people who do this decide to be a part of our footballing community we should not separate it from their contributions to football anymore than we separate the doings of players, managers or clubs from their football. Were the Emilio Sala threads moved from the football forum back when that happened?
Really?
I understand why, you seem to think football is the center of this story. And it really isn't.
It just got way off a football topic (Newcastle) and became an abstract chat about the death penalty. I'll move it back if there is consensus.
What are the fans saying who cheered the takeover? Anything from them? Or are they silently ignoring all this so they can be happy when their daddy buys them a new little toy for next season?
No disrespect to women who choose to wear traditional garb in free countries, but if women are being forced to wear it, I'm not going to give it any sort of respect.
Literally sounds like a nightmare to never be able to feel the sun on your skin.
My point is, if people consider the reality of living in either country for the minorities and women being discussed, Qatar is a lot closer to the West than Saudi Arabia. And that's not a defense of the Qatari regime, it's just an awareness of how scummy the Saudi regime is. They are basically a theocratic North Korea with money.
No disrespect. Proceeds to call religious item a garbage bag.