Ye but it is about Newcastle United so the clear involvement of the PIF is important
Newcastle owners sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I don't cruise Newcastle forums, but a big fan Newcastle Fans Against Sportswashing.
Shearer probably doing the mental gymnastics to pen his next love-letter to these monsters.
If you say so.
But like with the glib jokes, I think that's not the point and vulgar.
This is the football forum, not the United forum, it has nothing to do with your agenda.
come on now...
After the last game of the season vs City I had to travel up to Yorkshire and was on a train full of Geordies. One of them noticed I was wearing red and white stripes decided he didn’t like that (can’t think why) and called me a red and white see you next Tuesday, I replied I’d rather be that than a Saudi petrodollar apologist see you next Tuesday. His response was literally I don’t care behead all the b***ards. That’s the sort of blind following and defending of their actions they are after.
I didn't start this discussion - just responded to other off topic posts and then you asked me an off topic question!
Back on topic it's worth pointing out that the PL did actually try to block the Newcastle takeover but PIF/Mike Ashley took them to court and the PL lost. AFAIK it was not on any kind of human rights grounds though, it was more about a dispute between Saudi Arabia and (ironically) Qatar over PL streaming rights.
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Our government wanted them to take over. And don't start me on Yemen. Disgusting.
That's one angle. But on a United forum, with the club in the middle of a takeover by another state-backed company, the context is obviously there: if Qatar wins the bid, Manchested United may soon be in a similar situation that something abhorrent happens (if not the exact same thing) and a straight line can be drawn from those responsible to United's owners.
Apparently, some discussion can be had about whether Qatar's leader or simply an independent Qatari company are buying United (or not? I haven't followed that discussion); but other than that, I think there's a clear context for drawing Qatar and United into this discussion.
Yep Boris definitely pushed for it to go through
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover
Russians?
They can, they just need an Iranian to be the front.
IMO you can’t blame the Geordie fans for the barbaric actions of their owners government in the same way that you couldn’t blame them for openly running torture camps and the illegal invasion of various countries if their owners were from the USA.
I mention this in the context that the USA was built on the genocide of millions of native inhabitants and it’s reconned that they’ve killed over 20 million in the constant wars that they’ve waged since then.
The murderous actions of Middle Eastern governments / rulers or what have you almost pale into insignificance, by comparison, and our own country probably comes somewhere close to the top of war crimes and genocide rankings.
Now I love reading most of the threads on this forum, wouldn’t have signed up if I didn’t, but this thread smacks strongly of people in glass houses throwing stones around.
I mention this in the context that the USA was built on the genocide of millions of native inhabitants and it’s reconned that they’ve killed over 20 million in the constant wars that they’ve waged since then.
The murderous actions of Middle Eastern governments / rulers or what have you almost pale into insignificance, by comparison, and our own country probably comes somewhere close to the top of war crimes and genocide rankings.
Now I love reading most of the threads on this forum, wouldn’t have signed up if I didn’t, but this thread smacks strongly of people in glass houses throwing stones around.
Ah so that's the trick.
Yeah, that line isn't going to win through.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/for...ns-be-respectful.473650/page-50#post-29767397
You’re gay…you wouldn’t be a part of nearly everyone.
Like at least I like both, you’d be fecked (except not literally).
And before someone jumps in about the footballers on the pitch and how it only matters how they’ll affect Manchester and the gays at old Trafford wind your neck in I don’t care about that. I just want to genuinely know what drives someone to post that sentence when they themselves are gay or queer.
So it was my fault your were forced to bang your Qatar drum.
I can only apologise for making you lool like a crass shill in a thread about 7 deaths.
Now to find all the other culprits.
murder
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
Unlawful the key word here mate. Just plain and simple English.
What is going on in this thread
The indigenous Americans weren’t murdered, it was the Indian Removal act
Gooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!
You can't blame Newcastle fans for what's happening in Saudi Arabia, but you can point out that those happy with their owners lack morals.
Also, can you point out the ones in this thread who throw these stones and think nothing of past (and/or current) atrocities committed by the US and UK (and Canada and the Netherlands, if I bring myself into it) governments? In other words, where is the actual hypocrisy, specifically? Cause none of us on here represent a country or organization, we all each individually just represent ourselves.
And further, how do past atrocities justify a country committing atrocities now? If witches were never burned in Canada, would it be above criticism from Europeans if that started now, since it happened quite a lot in Europe a while ago?
What…. Did you mean by this?
Glazers are murdering us. Also without going back. Wasn’t this when they murdered that journalist? Yes that was murder. Different to this thread.
Awful comparison. If we had an American buyer who was indistinguishable from the murderous US industrial military complex the reactions would be the same.
The US has many many many problems but their billionaires, especially the post dot com Randian freaks are as likely to be anti state as pro state.
Some truly bizarre posts from you in this thread. I've no idea where you're going with that last one.
As for your State sanctioned killing is ok, because the despotic ruler decided it was a fitting punishment for being involved in protests as children? Is that really the point you're making?
We live in a country that supports some Lonny despot somewhere, I don’t like state club ownership but some of the ivory towers in here have more poly filler than my front room.
If it was done today it would be called genocide though because that's what it wasWhat is going on in this thread
The indigenous Americans weren’t murdered, it was the Indian Removal act
So would the Crusades, surely?
Most likely yes, everyone is pretty much guilty of bad shit if you think about it
It's not really much of a point you're making though is it? Are you referring to the UK or just all countries everywhere have links to despots so therefore everyone's a hypocrite. It's a reductive and disingenuous point.
If you don't like state onwership why are you having a go at others who are also against State ownership?
Cause it is hypocritical. We invade countries for oil, allow blood diamond mining for marriage sake, sweat shops for football jerseys and fashion and smart phones, 5 star hotels where employees get paid feck all, we basically exploit any country we can for profit? It’s all a fecking mess, but when a club does well cause of their owners, that’s when we get up in arms? Come on man, it’s pathetic.
If a guy who invaded a country for oil and made bank on blood diamonds bid to takeover Spurs would you say anything against him?
All I’m saying is it’s not murder. It’s a disgusting execution.
i don’t like state ownership, like I said. I don’t see why people get so heat up by the Saudi regime is my point, the west is just as dirty. I don’t think any football club should be owned by a state, I think we should go along the line of Germany where the fans have a say.
If Rishi made it a law that people were allowed to kill my mate Ryan’s Nan (good luck taking down that battle axe), does Ryan fall down to his knees and shout out “the justice of it” or is he still allowed to go with injustice (I swear that’s my last one Andy)
To be fair an execution is murder, just depends what side of the line you fall on.
Thats a bit of a blunt example.
It was a simple question Lily, I asked if you’d state an opinion against it. Because you would wouldn’t you? That doesn’t make you a hypocrite though (unless you were actively rooting for another country invader).
The West thing gets bought up a lot, but if Tony Blair rocked up to Manchester trying to take over the club, the exact same people would be speaking out
True, but bear in mind, if you had a referendum on bringing back the death penalty in the UK, I fairly sure the majority would be in favor
Well it's a bit pedantic point but I see what you mean. Your abhorrence for the sentence didn't really come across in the first post.
As far as I'm concerned it's state sanctioned murder no matter which country it happens in and should be completely abolished.