superdry
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The chasm between the supporters and the so called elite clubs ever increasing.
That's true, especially the PL. No wonder Barca, Juve and Real want in on the deals.The PL and UCL are already super leagues in all but name.
Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.Ok. Help me out here.
Having concerns about Newcastle being owned by an oppressive theocratic state is a "holier than thou" attitude because of the Iraq war and Anglo American foreign policy?
That's true, especially the PL. No wonder Barca, Juve and Real want in on the deals.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but Piers is right. The press wouldn't turn down a freebie, all expenses paid.
The media, Sky, these writers have normalised big spending and it's disgusting.
Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
Yeh you’re right let’s all join hands and welcome the ongoing atrocities in the world, because after all no one is without guilt. I look forward to that approach bringing progress.Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
Sorry Steve, you can’t be throwing any stones now. Just accept that it’s perfectly fine to stone homosexuals and abuse Women, god don’t you understand tolerance…By that logic virtually no one could criticise anything ever as most people live in glass houses of one form or another.
Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
You should check out the definition of the word "exponential"Apart from the quite serious moral dimensions of this move, this is a disaster for Manchester United for the following reasons:
1. One more club in the market for the upper tier of players.
2. Transfer fees and wages are going to see another exponential increase. The likes of Martial will be on 400k a week. Unless the Glazers sell us, we are not going to be able to compete to sign great/elite players.
3. Newcastle will establish themselves in the top 4 in 3 to 4 years. That's 4 clubs that will be run better than us and with better managers: City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Liverpool. They are only interested in one thing: winning trophies (not in managing expectations on social media unlike us).
I don't think you've really thought this through.Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
That's true, especially the PL. No wonder Barca, Juve and Real want in on the deals.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but Piers is right. The press wouldn't turn down a freebie, all expenses paid.
The media, Sky, these writers have normalised big spending and it's disgusting.
Yeah, they weren't really suffering were they though, they were exactly where they should be, lower to midtable with the odd relegation. One title challenge 25 years ago doesn't make them a big club.I'll follow a lower league or league of Ireland.
Something that means something
I really don't care anymore. United is a soulless corporate machine churning out nostalgia as propaganda to illicit feelings of connection and loyalty. All to get you to spend money so they can pull cash from their business. (Which they are bloody good at)
Now the PL has basically said money talks..we all knew it but now it's official.
Think back to 20 years ago when the matches were for supporters and the players cared for their clubs.
It's done now.
Getting into bed with murderous regimes just to win trophies! feck off.
I know Newcastle fans were suffering under Ashley but now their soul is black.
Are they though? Or is it that they hit the jackpot with Klopp? After all that same brains trust and "transfer committee" who thought replacing Luis Suarez with Rickie Lambert and Mario Balotelli, and who multiple managers before Klopp had arrived were complaining precisely about, is still there. The difference is rather than having Rodgers to implement it, they have Klopp. They didn't plan for him to come in like City did with Pep, they took advantage of him becoming available just as there was a vacancy at their club.Perhaps that will be the case but our data-driven approach hasn't been proved in the market yet; a club needs to have some football-wisdom to use that data effectively and at the moment at least, Liverpool are far better in that regard than us.
Yes, and it's managed by an average manager and average coaches who don't seem to know what to do with it. And the higher-ups don't seem to care about that incompetence.
That's true, especially the PL. No wonder Barca, Juve and Real want in on the deals.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but Piers is right. The press wouldn't turn down a freebie, all expenses paid.
The media, Sky, these writers have normalised big spending and it's disgusting.
That's true, especially the PL. No wonder Barca, Juve and Real want in on the deals.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but Piers is right. The press wouldn't turn down a freebie, all expenses paid.
The media, Sky, these writers have normalised big spending and it's disgusting.
They shouldn't be blamed for the takeover happening but they should take responsibility for their reactions which are very tasteless.It's extremely irritating the way the media has been blaming the Newcastle United fans, as if they have a choice in who owns their club, instead of (for instance) the Premier League or UK Government, both of which could actually implement measures to stop this sort of thing happening (51% fan ownership rules, more robust ownership measures, that sort of thing).
You do have two problems to address though. One is that the English model has been UNBELIEVABLY successful in catapulting the league to the top of the footballing pyramid, and is ostensibly now a superleague in all but name anyway. Germany is a model I love, and everyone lauds - but it's not been anyhwhere near as successful at selling itself, in part -because- of the same things that make their structure so admirable and great. And two is that it has been unbelievably -profitable- for the British Government as well as football as a whole in this country. As much as we complain about it, and rightly so - we're selling our souls to these clubs - there's no question that the money it generates does trickle down through the leagues, as we've seen with the major investment and thus interest and fan attendance in the Championship, and so on and so forth. So we're not likely to change anything, and maybe just have to accept it, or (like I feel sometimes like doing) give up on football entirely.
And Newcastle United fans shouldn't take the blame for feeling at worst mixed and at best joyous, especially after suffering under Mike Ashley and Steve Bruce, and don't deserve these bullshit hitpieces the Guardian etc are writing about them.
Good point. However, the only 'big' club available is Spurs, and they'll probably cost too much. Also the smaller London clubs (e.g. Palace) will require heavy stadium investment, and that may be a mission in London. Newcastle is the best available - solid stadium, loyal fans and a worldwide following at a relatively cheaper price.I'm still surprised the Saudis, who are bigger top dogs than Qatar and UAE, didn't go for a London club.
Yeah, they weren't really suffering were they though, they were exactly where they should be, lower to midtable with the odd relegation. One title challenge 25 years ago doesn't make them a big club.
But long-term wise, doesn't a London club bring more prestige and money for the Saudi's?Good point. However, the only 'big' club available is Spurs, and they'll probably cost too much. Also the smaller London clubs (e.g. Palace) will require heavy stadium investment, and that may be a mission in London. Newcastle is the best available - solid stadium, loyal fans and a worldwide following at a relatively cheaper price.
It is a difficult situation. All those who are upset with the takeover have made really good points on how morally wrong all this process was. But I also understands the guy's point of view, Blair won the elections in 2005 despite the fact he raged a war and was behind the death of hundreds of thousands based on a lie, he was cause of the suffering of an entire nation of 30m people together with his overlord Bush. Now I understand that people do not make these war decisions, but how can you go and revote for the same person after all of that?Unless anybody here was part of the Iraq war decision making process there is no glass house.
That makes no sense. Definitely not what YOU thought it meant anyway.Well you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass House.
I never voted for Blair.It is a difficult situation. All those who are upset with the takeover have made really good points on how morally wrong all this process was. But I also understands the guy's point of view, Blair won the elections in 2005 despite the fact he raged a war and was behind the death of hundreds of thousands based on a lie, he was cause of the suffering of an entire nation of 30m people together with his overlord Bush. Now I understand that people do not make these war decisions, but how can you go and revote for the same person after all of that?
But none of them want to sell. That's the problem. I would be delighted if Usmanov took us over years ago, but Kroenke got there first and he's been holding onto the club firmly ever since. There's a consortium including Qatar thinking of taking over, but they have almost no chance for as long as Arsenal keeps making money for Kroenke and his family and increasing value.But long-term wise, doesn't a London club bring more prestige and money for the Saudi's?
They should not be blamed, but also they should not be out there celebrating.It's extremely irritating the way the media has been blaming the Newcastle United fans, as if they have a choice in who owns their club, instead of (for instance) the Premier League or UK Government, both of which could actually implement measures to stop this sort of thing happening (51% fan ownership rules, more robust ownership measures, that sort of thing).
You do have two problems to address though. One is that the English model has been UNBELIEVABLY successful in catapulting the league to the top of the footballing pyramid, and is ostensibly now a superleague in all but name anyway. Germany is a model I love, and everyone lauds - but it's not been anyhwhere near as successful at selling itself, in part -because- of the same things that make their structure so admirable and great. And two is that it has been unbelievably -profitable- for the British Government as well as football as a whole in this country. As much as we complain about it, and rightly so - we're selling our souls to these clubs - there's no question that the money it generates does trickle down through the leagues, as we've seen with the major investment and thus interest and fan attendance in the Championship, and so on and so forth. So we're not likely to change anything, and maybe just have to accept it, or (like I feel sometimes like doing) give up on football entirely.
And Newcastle United fans shouldn't take the blame for feeling at worst mixed and at best joyous, especially after suffering under Mike Ashley and Steve Bruce, and don't deserve these bullshit hitpieces the Guardian etc are writing about them.
I agree yeah, it really started with Chelsea. That one opened the floodgates.As soon as the PL and the useless FA approved Abramovich buyjng Chelsea, then they gave carte blanc to every dodgy regime in the world. The Thai that bought CITEH was a convicted felon and they still waved it through so Sheik Mansour and Abu Dhabi strolled in even though their human rights as just as bad as the Saudis. It’s laughable that anyone should mock the Toon fans that have endured 14 years of bugger all investment in players. At least the Glazers have coughed up for all the managers we’ve had. City fans are very quite of course ha ha. On the subject if money, the Saudi royal family are beyond worth, it’s the investment company that has £345billion to spend. As stated elsewhere, they are in it to make money, unlike Mansour who’s in it for sport washing.
It is a difficult situation. All those who are upset with the takeover have made really good points on how morally wrong all this process was. But I also understands the guy's point of view, Blair won the elections in 2005 despite the fact he raged a war and was behind the death of hundreds of thousands based on a lie, he was cause of the suffering of an entire nation of 30m people together with his overlord Bush. Now I understand that people do not make these war decisions, but how can you go and revote for the same person after all of that?
I'm struggling to understand this myself.
Newcastle is about to join the football elite. How else did they think this would ever happen? An angel would descend from the sky flush with cash and take over Newcastle? haha
I'm still surprised the Saudis, who are bigger top dogs than Qatar and UAE, didn't go for a London club.
To me it's silly. Newcastle has hit the jackpot. It's absurd for a lot of newspapers and journalists to froth at the mouth as lots of them encouraged the illegal invasion of Iraq. An invasion that has destabilised the whole world.
No reason to blame the fans and to be honest it's hypocritical for fans of other clubs to blame them.
They shouldn't be blamed for the takeover happening but they should take responsibility for their reactions which are very tasteless.
Just look at Utd fans when the attempted BSkyB takeover happened. That could and would have put us in an unassailable position in the league and would have given us the pick of anyone in Europe, but the fans saw past that and saw the damage it would have caused to the league as a whole.
I get that Ashley is a cnut and they wanted him gone, but you've got to have your dignity and morality. When the rumours of MBS wanting Utd were around the vast majority of the forum didn't want it to happen and preferred the status quo despite that being the Glazers who are slowly but surely dragging the club into purgatory.
I would have hoped the Geordies would have had similar sensibilities.
Human rights records and historical colonisation be damned. I'm more pissed off at being lumped in with the bloody Brexit voting Brits, Saor Alba and aww that.
I suppose you don't see Scotland as a country with a very different political landscape compared to the rest of the UK. Interesting you completely ignored how we voted when it came to Brexit. I remember very well learning about the Highland clearances in school, the colonisation by Britain on the rest of the world. I specifically remember older relatives talking about what happened to our ancestors not only in Scotland but Ireland too.
British TV and threads on the Caf are your insight into how people think in the UK? Suffering Christ. That's as bad as those right wingers on Fox news handwringing over random YouTube videos that "represents the far left".