Isn't there a chance he's going to be cut anyways due to legal issues?
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I don’t know how attractive Von is as a trade asset, being on the last year of his deal coming off injury. Given the state of their receiving corps I was thinking they’d want Sutton or Fant’s name on the table.
The chance for being cut was already there for financial reasons, the legal stuff is just a marginal increase in odds.
Possibly, no idea what’s going on there. His ex put a load of stuff out there but then retracted most of it, but who knows what the situation is.
They'd both be on my fairly short “not to be traded” list I think. Along with Chubb, Simmons and probably Jeudy.
Watson is worth an enormous amount but there’s no sense crippling the roster and having him in a similar situation to what he’s looking to leave.
Doubt the Texans will get anything near that. Four 1st round picks, three 2nds, a 3rd plus Darnold?!?Chase Young and multiple 1st rounders might do it actually. As in, at least 3 1st(but would likely require more than that anyways)
The proposed dolphins and lions deals are hilarious
Something like Darnold+2020 1st+2020 2nd+2021 1st+2021 3rd+2022 1st+2022 2nd+2023 2nd+2024 1st might do it i think
Darnold should still be tradeable for a couple picks
Can't see the texans trading him for anything less than that
Some seem to think that it's the NBA. I would be shocked if they even get half of that.Doubt the Texans will get anything near that. Four 1st round picks, three 2nds, a 3rd plus Darnold?!?
Oh yeah, you never give up a pass-catching TE once you have him so Fant is at the top of the list. And I think we’ll lock down Simmons this off-season as a cornerstone of the post-Von defense.
I’m just trying to look at it from their perspective. It all depends on how they rate Lock and Patrick in that scenario; there’d be some horse-trading with late round picks more likely.
I included Patrick because he and Lock seem to have a good chemistry and I rate him but not highly enough that I’d be against him be traded for a top QB.
Any trade is gonna be complicated for sure.
I'm still deluding myself into believing that the Vikings can do it:
2 1st rounds
2 2nd rounds
Cousins+Zimmer+Barr
In the mean time, they trade Watt for a 3 round pick to someone.
2 1st rounds
2 2nd rounds
Cousins+Zimmer+Barr
In the mean time, they trade Watt for a 3 round pick to someone.
Here's what the eagles traded to move up to #2 and draft Wentz: two 1st, one 2nd, one 3rd and one 4th
Rams to move up to #1 and take Goff: two 1st, two 2nd, two 3rd
WTF for RG3: two 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd
Cutler trade: orton, two 1st and a 3rd
If the texans trade Watson for anything less than 3 first and 3 more picks(2nd/3rd/4th), texans fans should be legally allowed to punt McNair, Easterby and Caserio into the Gulf of Mexico and force the NFL to contract the franchise
Rams to move up to #1 and take Goff: two 1st, two 2nd, two 3rd
WTF for RG3: two 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd
Cutler trade: orton, two 1st and a 3rd
If the texans trade Watson for anything less than 3 first and 3 more picks(2nd/3rd/4th), texans fans should be legally allowed to punt McNair, Easterby and Caserio into the Gulf of Mexico and force the NFL to contract the franchise
And that's giving all that up for the chance to draft a franchise QB - we know Watson is an elite franchise QB who might not even have hit his ceiling, so he's gonna be even more expensive.
If the right offer doesn't come in, I hope he's just not leaving.
It's not just that. The 1st round comes with an undervalued rookie contract, that value needs to be taken into account when you trade for someone that isn't on a rookie contract. If you take the Rams as an example, their starting QB on rookie contract allowed them to load the team up with top free agents which is how they compensated for the loss of picks.
As a Texans fan you should understand it because you did that mistake for Tunsil who is one of the very best LT which is a very valuable position but the amount of picks that you gave up combined with his contract at market value was a bad idea and it's one of the reasons you are in you current situation.
True but then that's also going for a chance at a franchise QB that's on a cheap salary. Harder to build around Watson with that in mind. I suspect any deal will be similar though.
Yes I understand the contract situation is not ideal but you can still build a contending team around a QB on a big contract, even with the loss of two first-round picks and some additional later round ones imo. It’s just whether you’re willing to risk it. This is probably a once in a career opportunity for most GMs though if he’s really available. To me, it’s worth the risk.
I’ve seen trades range from what GMFB suggested from the Lions to what @Eboue suggested on here, and personally I’m leaning towards his view here. It’s still the Texans though so never count them out of accepting a stupid deal.
You can build a team around a QB on a big contract if you have cap space and/or lots of picks. Otherwise you are the Texans.
Think top 2 draft picks have always cost a ton of draft/player capital. Don't recall the last time a star QB was traded.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...ck_trades_in_nfl_history/s1__28469687#slide_6
Found this article. Tarkenton cost the Giants four high draft picks and he later went back to Minnesota for 3 players and 2 high picks.
The Eagles got fleeced for Roman Gabriel. Jim Plunkent cost the Raiders three 1s and a 2. Jim Everett cost the Rams a bounty.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...ck_trades_in_nfl_history/s1__28469687#slide_6
Found this article. Tarkenton cost the Giants four high draft picks and he later went back to Minnesota for 3 players and 2 high picks.
The Eagles got fleeced for Roman Gabriel. Jim Plunkent cost the Raiders three 1s and a 2. Jim Everett cost the Rams a bounty.
chance being the key word here. With Watson there is no chance: you're getting a top 5 QB. One that is most likely actually top 3, just hasn't had the coaching to prove it, at that. So no, it's not harder to build around Watson, because he raises your floor by such a degree that you simply don't need to stack the roster with as much talent. The key - which is true regardless of the cap - is to also have an elite HC
Adams just netted the jets 2 first rounders - there no way the texans will settle for less than 3 for watson, regardless whatever players they may also get into the deal
So did a disgruntled Jalen Ramsey last year. CBs and S are important positions but still nowhere close to a QB.
The other difference is Watson wants to leave. Makes it harder for Texans to drive a hard bargain.
49ers history of 1st round pick success in 30-40% under ShanaLynch so we should offer them 6 first round picks & be done with it.
Fair play for him pulling out this time
Ah, the homophobic average QB finally retires. feck him.
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The Colts are going to be most intriguing team now, they have the cap space and draft capital to target the likes of Watson or Wentz.
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Brissett is UFA as well isn't he?
Like throwing a football down a motorway.
They also drafted Jacob Eason in the fourth round last year but I think he was a healthy scratch for pretty much every game.
He is. They only have Eason under contract.
Aaron Jones looks to have snubbed a big offer from the Packers. Will probably hit FA and get a big payday somewhere.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy....s-rejected-packers-contract-offer-report/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy....s-rejected-packers-contract-offer-report/amp/
Good. Was afraid we’d overpay for him.
Surprised we made the offer. I thought the Packers are way over the cap and they did draft Dillion in the second round.
Bold of Jones, there's a million free agent RBs this year. He's so good but there's a big market..
They’re near the front of the line of teams where if they can plug in a proper QB they can go on a run.
Yup, they have everything in place and a relatively young team. Washington could be an other one.
We were comfortable in lead and it was close to HT iirc. Was OK to risk 3 points to get 7.
I was thinking San Fran or Denver, but sure. They have the defense in place, just have to add another offensive weapon to help that QB.
Maybe throw Chicago in there, but that’s been Chicago’s status for like two decades.
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