They're marsh mallows.
I quite like Tunnock's caramel wafers though, I pack one in my rucksack on warm days when a kit kat would just melt.
Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Independence
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I quite like Tunnock's caramel wafers though, I pack one in my rucksack on warm days when a kit kat would just melt.
They're tea cakes. It says so on the packet. National phrases override whatever regional pap you have, it's written into that Magma Carter thing.
That is extremely surprising news, probably the most surprising political news since Brexit. I really didn't see her quitting.
I'm not particularly a fan of hers or the SNP, and even though I would generally be in favour of independence (for the entire North), I don't think the SNP would have been my choice to lead Scotland into independence. I know a lot of friends north of the border think the same, and are lending them the vote in the hope that independence is won before getting rid of the SNP for somebody who can fix the country (easier said than done as they are too well ingrained into the landscape).
I'm not particularly a fan of hers or the SNP, and even though I would generally be in favour of independence (for the entire North), I don't think the SNP would have been my choice to lead Scotland into independence. I know a lot of friends north of the border think the same, and are lending them the vote in the hope that independence is won before getting rid of the SNP for somebody who can fix the country (easier said than done as they are too well ingrained into the landscape).
So is killing the Scotch. Although that might be the national anthem. Or both.
Pm me
whats gone on here?
What exactly is wrong with the SNP?
Thats about all they can invade these days, a bunch of a Glaswegians, some highlanders, a few eagles and a whole platoon of Shelties.
They want to put ideology ahead of economic sense, like the Brexiteers.
Surely everyone’s had enough of the ‘ignore experts and just do it because the grass is always greener’ populism/ nationalism?
Thats just horseshit from start to finish. In what way would an independent Scotland be in any worse shape than Brexitland?
They have failed at all the major elements of being a leading political party; economy and jobs, their health services (the drug deaths is a national disgrace for example), what they’ve done to the Scottish educational service (which used to be World leading, since the enlightenment times and is now failing on everything), their constant scandals brushed under the carpet, politicians who are utterly clueless and to be frank an embarrassment (the massive hypocrite Blackford, for example). The hate speech bill is eyewateringly bad, but they are/have bullying it through. They are generally bigoted towards England and have a genuine hatred of the English in many cases, and not even just the Tories. I could go on. It doesn’t take much scratching of the surface to
If they were an English party they’d be viewed like UKIP.
I’m not saying all SNP are like this, they aren’t, I know a few. But the core of the party is rotten and instead of spending the time since the referendum getting their house in order and using the advantages they do have to build a Scotland that leaves no doubt for a yes vote whenever the next referendum is they have spent the intervening years, whining , cutting out and bullying opposition and agitating for another vote. They lack any ideas, or plan, on how to build a positive future and instead snipe from the sidelines and appeal to base nature in the hope throwing enough sh@t eventually sticks and they get a yes vote. I genuinely fear for Scotland if they get independence, not because the Scottish people can’t succeed on their own, they would, but because an unfettered SNP would be a disaster.
“Brexitland” there ends the debate.
no it doesnt, why the feck would anyone want to be a part of that dumpster fire?
Have you done any research on what a Scottish exit from the UK means in real terms while making up those hilarious names for the UK?
Yes I have, give me your glowing economic figures and projections that would entice Scotland to stay hitched to Nigeltopia
You can respond to my post above first on what the problems are with the SNP. Then maybe because you are so assertive that scoxit can’t be worse than brexit you could explain why?
I think when one of the main economic advisors to the SNP advises that scoxit would be “10x brexit” you know there are going to be problems. The other issue was the deeply suspect Scottish economic proposal was calculated using an astronomical oil price as the main pillar, which leaves a rather large hole now the SNP are no longer interested in the hydrocarbon industry.
Make no mistake, brexit is on life support, Scoxit will be worse, and I do believe they will get independence, I just hope it’s not under the SNP as they are now and that they have a proper go at making a success of it.
Wheres these figures that would entice a Scottish person to want to stay with Gammonaptra?
Figured as much lad. Stick to ordering fish and chips and breeding whippets.
Just watching the BBC report on her and it’s a hatchet job. A massive imbalance of public interviewed who were critical of her without question. The ones that did say something positive were interrogated on why they feel like that.
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To the poster who rounded up all my posts like a weirdo. No!
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Hardly surprising. The BBC is nothing but a Tory mouthpiece these days.
We'd be fecked if we're being honest. Granted, we're fecked because our oil has been wasted by successive Westminster governments propping up the Frankenstein that is London "Capital of Britain for Everything, whether it makes sense or not" and stuffing their pals' pockets with as much cash possible. But the SNP haven't sent the world alight with their prowess; they've just been less shit than all of the alternatives.
Rejoining the EU is a massive selling point though, that's a given. But administratively, national and local, we need a major upheaval. Untethering ourselves from the shitshow down South is a good selling point, but when the outlook for an Independent Scotland is built on a party focusing on national identity rather than actually, and reasonably, showing how they would make things better it gives me pause for thought.
thanks mate
Why do you assume the Scottish don't want independence?
If you are referring to the last independence vote, a he'll of alot has changed since then - BREXIT, successive Tory governments with questionable ethics and policies, Westminster not enabling Holyrood to have the power it was promised etc. If I was Scottish I think I'd want independence !
So, how is the procedure to replace Sturgeon? Does the SNP just choose a new leader and that person is automatically it?
Whoever shall pull the deep fried mars bar from the fryer is crowned leader
Yes pretty much this. Escaping the vitriol of Westminster is one of the few tangible benefits. It's a big one though.
Irrespective of politics or policies I've always rated Sturgeon as a person of good integrity and heart. She will be sorely missed as leader of this country.
You'd want to compromise your financial stability? Your future security? For what? Politics in Scotland will diverge just like the rest of the world once independence is taken off the table.
And then what? Separate Scotland into the Highlands and Central belt because their politics differ?
It's daft. It's divisive and nasty. And if you actually judge the SNP like your would an actual political party, they've been utterly useless for years and years. If it wasn't for independence they wouldn't exist, because nobody would vote for such a bunch of incompetents.
If you try to answer a question with 5 more questions it really shouldn't qualify as a answer.
Scotland has scope for financial security through natural resources and economic growth, also to rejoin the EU once independent and to gain the economic benefit of that.
The UK is currently the worst performing economy in the OECD because of our incompetent government and ideological fools. And that's before you even get into the Brexit economic impacts.
Of course politics in Scotland would evolve after independence. But ultimately Scotland is more left leaning than most of the idiotic voting patterns in England, and would ultimately go for a social democratic / socialist government. Which would be in line with most successful governments in Europe. It's only, again, the English based media which frames any kind of progressive politics as fecking communism.
I disagree with a lot of what you say. I don't think Scotland is particularly left leaning - I think the whole independence thing has skewed the image of the country. An awful lot of people are "independence leaning" - that's all they want. Tories bastards this, English that. I know my evidence is only anecdotal, but it's 10+ years of evidence now, talking with hundreds of people... I'm yet to really hear of a good reason for independence, other than negative ones. The positive ones are things like "we can rejoin the EU", and that's fine and everything, but that's not going to help me pay the bills.
Scotland has scope for financial security through economic growth?! Seriously, what do we actually have? We don't make anything, we don't do anything, and our education system is shit... But despite that I believe Scotland could be successful in it's own way, but there's nothing - absolutely nothing - stopping us from realising that success right now. Instead the government continues to pass the buck and blame London.
A competent Scottish government would prove time and time again, through their endless great successes, that independence could be a great thing . Instead we all pretend it's being hamstrung by the Tories, and that our endless failings as a nation aren't our own fault.
The problem for Scotland is that to become a fully independent country it needs;
a) More people; its greatest resource is its people, but too many have left (via the 'low road') and whilst in smaller numbers, they do still continue to leave, taking their skills and energy with them.
b) About 3-5 decades to fully harness and then develop its natural resources, to the extent needed to support true independence;
c) Also to have to put the country in hock to the money markets in order to raise the billions needed to finance this grand scheme, and without the benefit of ever decreasing North Sea oil income, this would be a massive task to shoulder.
However for many in Scotland this may be possible/desirable but it is the equivalent to Mao's ..." journey of a thousand miles beginning with the first step"... Those taking the final steps (heading towards the 22nd Century) will reap some benefit and of course Scotland will be fully independent; however those currently (over the age of 30) living in Scotland will be those 'taking the first step' and the ones who will be paying the piper and carrying the largest burden well into their old age and with out the safety net, either of Westminster or Brussels.
Each generation has to live in its 'own moment' and make its own decisions, we only go around once!
a) More people; its greatest resource is its people, but too many have left (via the 'low road') and whilst in smaller numbers, they do still continue to leave, taking their skills and energy with them.
b) About 3-5 decades to fully harness and then develop its natural resources, to the extent needed to support true independence;
c) Also to have to put the country in hock to the money markets in order to raise the billions needed to finance this grand scheme, and without the benefit of ever decreasing North Sea oil income, this would be a massive task to shoulder.
However for many in Scotland this may be possible/desirable but it is the equivalent to Mao's ..." journey of a thousand miles beginning with the first step"... Those taking the final steps (heading towards the 22nd Century) will reap some benefit and of course Scotland will be fully independent; however those currently (over the age of 30) living in Scotland will be those 'taking the first step' and the ones who will be paying the piper and carrying the largest burden well into their old age and with out the safety net, either of Westminster or Brussels.
Each generation has to live in its 'own moment' and make its own decisions, we only go around once!
After the Brexit shambles, I’d be surprised if voters of one of the constituent nations of the UK voted to tear up long-standing arrangements without first having a thoroughly detailed and costed road map as to what comes next. While I get the appeal of being an independent country after 300 years and potentially joining the EU, I’ve yet to hear convincing answers on what currency Scotland would use or how it would deal with the economic consequences of a hard border with England. I feel sorry for them but I also feel sorry for all the non-Tory, pro-EU English like myself. It’s a mess and unfortunately I don’t see Labour coming up with a transformational vision for a genuinely federal UK (involving regional devolution in England as well) built around a fairer voting system (and not least a fairer economic and social model).
Best to wait another 5 or so years and see if Hydrogen takes off. We are seeing massive demand from Germany. Biggest stumbling block to this is the UK investment into ScotWind. Otherwise could have been a real goer.
Find it utterly staggering that Humza Yousaf is likely going to become the next first minister, after failing at every role he's had in government.
I've also met and worked with him. Pr*ck of a man.
I've also met and worked with him. Pr*ck of a man.
He is incredibly full of himself