I was commenting in general, not specifically this. Though, I still think it's a bit of an overreaction for a no booze rule.
No Beer!
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What's an overeaction? This thread?
I just checked the BBC site, you have to go specifically to the World Cup section, where this is the 11th story. Please don't say "people on Twitter".
If I was going to Qatar (and there are many reasons I'm not) and I found out today that they'd changed the rules at the very last minute on where I can buy a beer, I'd be annoyed for sure but that's about it. I'd buy a coke instead and carry on with my day. No drama but I do think there's a genuine reason to be a bit annoyed.
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It's not the fact that you can't get beer there, it's more the principle of the whole thing. It's especially galling that if you pay for a VIP box, you have a choice of loads of alcohol and the FIFA champagne....but the plebs get shafted again. Just like they are getting shafted by what feels like every company and industry these days.
100%, it's just the timing is all.
I know the beer is awful in the 51st state you live but no need to take it out on those that like a drink at the game!
people in VIP boxes dont toss pints of lager over everyone 3 rows in front of them when a goal goes in because they've been on the piss since morning..
Yes they do
I dunno if you're joking
I've seen worse than that in a VIP box.
Being rich doesn't mean you are not a complete arsehole.
So you're calling me ignorant for not properly specifying the difference between in and on? Your point seems pretty damn weak, and my point still stands.
Hamad bin Thani changed the rules on alcohol being available in stadiums 2 days before the tournament was due to start. This clearly caught FIFA and fans off-guard, as is shown by this statement. You said that it's probably cos bin Thani just didn't realise where beer was gonna be sold. That would be a catastrophic oversight from him, considering that he was in charge of planning the tournament and he has been for a decade. It would make Qatar look foolish and bad at planning, especially after they backed out of various other promises, some of which their vote was contingent upon.
It's far more likely that he changed it now to a) lock people into coming (everyone has bought their tickets and accommodation now, and changing details won't affect people deciding whether to come) or b) to show that they are able to impose their principles on FIFA. This tournament has been totally bought and FIFA has surrendered any claim to decision-making authority.
Every other world cup in history has been held in a place that at least pays lip-service to the idea of democracy. But Qatar is an absolute monarchy, backed by vast reserves of natural gas, and that makes it accountable to no-one. Qatar unilaterally backs out of commitments and promises, and that makes people not trust it, because those are the actions of an unaccountable dictatorship.
Shocked. Remember when they promised open air stadiums that could handle a summer world cup? And all the other stupid ass promises made when they were busy bribing everyone
PDA's is a big one. Why should we have to see people hugging and kissing. A firm handshake and a stiff upper lip has always seen me through any situation.
I dont know what you dont understand. Im asking - How? If they are killing gay people and they need 4 witnesses - How did they manage to prosecute them. How! How come 4 people were watching gay people fk? Are all these killings as a result of public sex? Is that what you are telling me? The gay people over there are so crazy they just fk everywhere?
this is amazing
So according to Wikipedia, there is a clear break where it changed from defending champions to host nation.
Since 2006, the host nation has always been first game
Football without beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer? Nooooooooooooooooooooo! This must be a alternate, vegan-fuelled universe.
Firstly, I didn't mention Bin Thani at all
Secondly, what you say in a) and b) is entirely possible, you obviously haven't read my posts if you think I'm defending Qatar on this last minute change
The point that alcohol was never planned to be available in the stadiums is important because several posts in this thread haven't understood this (talking about whats the big deal to not have a drink for 90mins/2hrs while the match is on).
TBF it's not surprising since most media stories have been refering only to the stadiums when it's actually worse because originally Qatar said fans could buy beer around the grounds for 3 hours before kickoff and 1 hour after
Now it's available only in fanparks which are not near some stadiums
It's been pretty popular on Reddit over the last day.
I think you can take beer in from outside in Spain, at least we did at a Bilbao match last month.
Yeah makes sense and fits in perfectly with Qatar's desire to make everything inclusive.
What a load of horseshit.
As a few others have said, I'm fine with no beer in a stadium given the dominant religious belief is so against it.
However what has really made me peeved about this is the idea that someone can drink alcohol and break that religious code if they are rich enough or have friends in the right places. What an utter disgrace of a decision.
If ever I've seen something that highlights what is wrong with this whole world cup, from the bribery to get the thing to Qatar through to changing the season of it taking place, it is this decision.
If its bad enough of a breach of the religious code, no one should drink. End of story.
However what has really made me peeved about this is the idea that someone can drink alcohol and break that religious code if they are rich enough or have friends in the right places. What an utter disgrace of a decision.
If ever I've seen something that highlights what is wrong with this whole world cup, from the bribery to get the thing to Qatar through to changing the season of it taking place, it is this decision.
If its bad enough of a breach of the religious code, no one should drink. End of story.
I asked you to Google any instances of someone killed due to homosexuality in Qatar. My point is nobody has been killed.
Are you still searching or being obtuse?
I wouldn't trust Qatar they've shown they'll go back on their word.
If they do build stadiums anywhere, expect it to come at some great cost (most likely resource cost) in a developing nation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-lgbt-laws-28485483
Not being killed no but this is still pretty obscene in this day and age.
There's no doubt it's not a country where LGBT will have the freedom to visually show their sexual orientation. It's the law of the country and as I said previously do your business in the privacy of your home or hotel if you're a tourist in that country.
In India, the country of my birth slaughtering a cow or eating beef is banned. I'd be an idiot to want to prove a point by openly going against the rules. More importantly, I'd want to just respect the law and other people's religions.
They are checking peoples internet content to see if they are viewing things that are deemed homosexual and targeting the offenders. Being in the privacy of your own house doesn't make a difference.
Why would I search? I literally said there must be no one that's persecuted because how can you have 4 witnesses. Prosecute. Not killed. You were the one bringing up killing. Why do you keep saying Google it. Whats the point. Im talking about prosecution.
Im still asking - How can you ever indite anyone when Islamic law say you need 4 witnesses?
Answer this one simple question
I'm sorry mate but that's a terrible comparison. Not eating beef is one thing, plenty of people choose to do that as a lifestyle choice anyway, and India offers plenty of alternatives for food. You won't starve because you can't get a beef burger in India. Even in India non-Hindus should be free to eat beef without fearing for their lives, as far as I'm concerned.
Even so, you're comparing that to someone's sexuality, a core part of their self, that many people struggle enough with anyway. There isn't an alternative, you're just telling people to deny who they are and act differently, because it might offend someone. Suddenly, just being who you are is a crime, and you think people should just respect that?
If it's your religion then that's fine, you can choose to do what you want as long as nobody unwilling is getting hurt. But as soon as someone's religion starts to affect other people and how they want to live their lives, then they can feck off.
And on that note, so can Qatar!
I remember when Brazil had legislation stating that no alcohol could be bought or consumed at football matches, then the World Cup came along and FIFA forced them to change a government policy for Budweiser. Personally I’m glad they couldn’t get Qatar to bend to their slimy little will also.
Why would you go to Qatar if you wanted to go on the piss anyway?
alcohol is served legally there I’m sure it won’t be much of an issue for us alcoholics
You’ve literally posted the quote yourself and completely misunderstood it while having a cheap swipe at the guy you’re responding to. Amazing.
Like the guy said, the ban is for outside the stadium. There was only one person talking shite and it wasn’t him.
Sorry mate I think you are a stranger to the truth or English is not your first language. I quote just a snippet from a number of your posts.
"How? If they are killing gay people and they need 4 witnesses"
It's not as readily available as it would be in the more tourist orientated Abu Dhabi.
sure, but if you really want a drink you can get one in a restaurant or hotel - its not that hard
It's not a terrible comparison. It's very apt. Basically, respect other people's cultures and faiths. If you are so against a certain country, its laws and cultures you are not forced to visit.
Gay or straight do it in private. That's what normal people do in the world.
I hope it will be different during the world cup but it isn't as simple as "do it in private" in Qatar.. people are arrested for their gender expression in public, have their phones searched and can then get detained.. and for example two men can't rent a hotel room for fear of being arrested