What does a Sinn Fein victory do for Remain? In an odd way it makes leave more likely than a DUP win. Would make Boris Johnson's life easier.
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He doesn’t really care. He just wants more seats for his boys.What does a Sinn Fein victory do for Remain? In an odd way it makes leave more likely than a DUP win. Would make Boris Johnson's life easier.
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This is something I don't quite understand and hopefully i can ask this without it getting heated...What does a Sinn Fein victory do for Remain? In an odd way it makes leave more likely than a DUP win. Would make Boris Johnson's life easier.
Why do people vote SF ahead of SDLP or alliance who both would take their seat in Westminster and actually have a voice for the people that vote for them?
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This is something I don't quite understand and hopefully i can ask this without it getting heated...
Why do people vote SF ahead of SDLP or alliance who both would take their seat in Westminster and actually have a voice for the people that vote for them?
They don't want a voice in Westminster
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Oh i know why SF don't do it. I understand their pov, i was just wondering why the voters dont want to vote for a party that will take seats. But lsd said thats exactly what their voters want.. still doesnt make sense to me however
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Because every other party doesnt stand a chance while this is the second time NI have been able to say we have a voice too.Oh i know why SF don't do it. I understand their pov, i was just wondering why the voters dont want to vote for a party that will take seats. But lsd said thats exactly what their voters want.. still doesnt make sense to me however
Instead of having people pretend DUP were the be all and end all of Brexit
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People know what they are voting for when they vote for them. That is that they understand precisely that they will not take their seats. It is their Mandate and people understand that. I know it seems weird but thats how it is. They would lose a lot of votes if they stood on an abstentionist Westminister Policy and then turned round and changed their minds and took their seats.Oh i know why SF don't do it. I understand their pov, i was just wondering why the voters dont want to vote for a party that will take seats. But lsd said thats exactly what their voters want.. still doesnt make sense to me however
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Hopefully this should be the end of Pengelly in South Belfast and not before time. One of the most progressive constituencies in the north represented by one of the most regressive parties and all down to the nonsense of FPTP.
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Random but used to play in the same football team as the lad holding out the mic in pic above.
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Finucance v Dodds straight shoot out in North Belfast as well.
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Brilliant stuff. Need Alliance now join in and hopefully get 4 remain candidates in Belfast. Would be some achievement.Tweet
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Hopefully this should be the end of Pengelly in South Belfast and not before time. One of the most progressive constituencies in the north represented by one of the most regressive parties and all down to the nonsense of FPTP.
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Alliance could feck that one up.Finucance v Dodds straight shoot out in North Belfast as well.
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There needs to be somebody there as an alternative for DUP for unionists to vote for to give them a slap in the bake. Alliance may be that option since the UUP have bottled it. As an aside John Finucane has been a pretty disappointing candidate for Sinn Fein so far and is not guaranteed to get the sort of support required to oust Dodds anyway.Alliance could feck that one up.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing the DUP get obliterated by the way.
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Based on what? He got 41.7% of the vote last time against Dodds 46.2% , losing by just over 2,000 votes. The SDLP picked up just over 2,000 votes in North Belfast in 2017. Theres every chance Finucane can win this.There needs to be somebody there as an alternative for DUP for unionists to vote for to give them a slap in the bake. Alliance may be that option since the UUP have bottled it. As an aside John Finucane has been a pretty disappointing candidate for Sinn Fein so far and is not guaranteed to get the sort of support required to oust Dodds anyway.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing the DUP get obliterated by the way.
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He might win for sure but he hasn't really set the world alight in the way I think Sinn Fein expected.Based on what? He got 41.7% of the vote last time against Dodds 46.2% , losing by just over 2,000 votes. The SDLP picked up just over 2,000 votes in North Belfast in 2017. Theres every chance Finucane can win this.
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Alliance are playing a fairly risky game. It's unlikely that they'll stand aside in either north or south Belfast and are at risk of being seen as the party who let Dodds and Pengelly back in. I think the whole Alliance Surge stuff is going to their heads a little. Their recent good performances come in no small part from their transferability in PR votes which won't come in to play in a general election, sure they might still increase their votes totals but if it's at the expense of gifting a seat back to the DUP while still losing out in East belfast then it could hurt them long term.Alliance could feck that one up.
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A Lucid Talk poll (Sunday Times etc) if borne out, points to a potentially disastrous GE for the DUP. 72 percent of those polled would favour remain over a no deal Brexit. Of the DUP support over 20 percent favour remain. Consequently the pro-remain parties who can reach across the identity divide stand to make gains. A lot of the seats will be close run. But a pro-Brexit stance post DUP being shafted by Boris, and with people concerned for jobs and businesses may come at a price.
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Anyone know is there a source floating about anywhere of who we can actually vote for yet given all these 'pacts if that's what you want to call them'
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Funny you say that. I was working literally beside that mural todayOff topic, but I watched the Derry Girls (I know, I know...) and got curious about the whole Free Derry thing, any good documentaries about it?
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I haven't watched all of this Documentary but it should give you an idea.Off topic, but I watched the Derry Girls (I know, I know...) and got curious about the whole Free Derry thing, any good documentaries about it?
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In other news Nationalist paramilitaries actually run for seats in a general election. Politics here is fecked, need to seriously look at a UI or go back to direct rule needs sorted cause really I cant be arsed anymore, we are nothing more than a bigoted backwater.Well there we have it, loyalist paramilitaries have chosen who is allowed to run in an election.
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Out of interest which nationalist paramilitaries are running?In other news Nationalist paramilitaries actually run for seats in a general election. Politics here is fecked, need to seriously look at a UI or go back to direct rule needs sorted cause really I cant be arsed anymore, we are nothing more than a bigoted backwater.
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I was talking more historically.Out of interest which nationalist paramilitaries are running?
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Ah right, fair enough. Think it's actually a positive sign for the future that the likes of Sinn Fein have made an effort to move away from running former paramilitaries as candidates, obviously there's still Martina Anderson as an MEP but running John Finucane in North Belfast rather than Gerry Kelly should show them that there is potential electoral gain in doing so.I was talking more historically.
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Does Gerry Kelly not run anymore?Out of interest which nationalist paramilitaries are running?
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I was actually just looking him up, I don't think so.Does Gerry Kelly not run anymore?
Yeah Anderson, the lovely woman, is still an MEP but I think most of the old guard have taken a back seat.Ah right, fair enough. Think it's actually a positive sign for the future that the likes of Sinn Fein have made an effort to move away from running former paramilitaries as candidates, obviously there's still Martina Anderson as an MEP but running John Finucane in North Belfast rather than Gerry Kelly should show them that there is potential electoral gain in doing so.
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Not in the general, Sinn Fein are running John Finucane in North Belfast instead as they did last time round. Kelly is still an MLA though.Does Gerry Kelly not run anymore?
Cheers, will have a look.I haven't watched all of this Documentary but it should give you an idea.
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What's going on with the Quinn group? Is it all to do with a group of older Quinn workers wanting Mr Quinn back in control, or does Quinn owe money from when he went under?. What the guy that got abducted went through a few weeks ago was horrific, he was abducted then they told him to resign rom the company. The men thought he might have there DNA on him so they scraped below his fingernails with a stanley knife, cut off his clothes cutting him in the process then they soaked him in bleach and scrubbed him all over. Cut QHG into his chest and broke his leg... WTF?
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I would say it is likely that Sean Quinn was previously being extorted/paying off/funding criminal elements who are annoyed that they no longer have that cash flow. The intimidation has being going on for years.What's going on with the Quinn group? Is it all to do with a group of older Quinn workers wanting Mr Quinn back in control, or does Quinn owe money from when he went under?. What the guy that got abducted went through a few weeks ago was horrific, he was abducted then they told him to resign rom the company. The men thought he might have there DNA on him so they scraped below his fingernails with a stanley knife, cut off his clothes cutting him in the process then they soaked him in bleach and scrubbed him all over. Cut QHG into his chest and broke his leg... WTF?
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But its not hurting Quinn and its not getting them any money?I would say it is likely that Sean Quinn was previously being extorted/paying off/funding criminal elements who are annoyed that they no longer have that cash flow. The intimidation has being going on for years.
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They want Quinn to be placed back in charge. This campaign seems designed to try and force something that will never happen.But its not hurting Quinn and its not getting them any money?
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Yeah all very strange.They want Quinn to be placed back in charge. This campaign seems designed to try and force something that will never happen.
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Is there a rule about wearing poppies in Northern Ireland ?
Iv moved to a new office in Derry this year and there are a few people wearing them and walkiing around in them in the workplace .
I just find that a bit provocative in a mixed office here .
Iv never really noticed this before having mostly worked in offices predominatly catholic where no one was ever wearing one.
Last year i was in England working during this week when pretty much everyone was obviously wearing one
Iv moved to a new office in Derry this year and there are a few people wearing them and walkiing around in them in the workplace .
I just find that a bit provocative in a mixed office here .
Iv never really noticed this before having mostly worked in offices predominatly catholic where no one was ever wearing one.
Last year i was in England working during this week when pretty much everyone was obviously wearing one
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People who wana make deal out of will make a big deal of it, I wear one for absolutely non political reasons, its my own choice. Are you in the NICS or a private company?Is there a rule about wearing poppies in Northern Ireland ?
Iv moved to a new office in Derry this year and there are a few people wearing them and walkiing around in them in the workplace .
I just find that a bit provocative in a mixed office here .
Iv never really noticed this before having mostly worked in offices predominatly catholic where no one was ever wearing one.
Last year i was in England working during this week when pretty much everyone was obviously wearing one
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Whys it provocative?Is there a rule about wearing poppies in Northern Ireland ?
Iv moved to a new office in Derry this year and there are a few people wearing them and walkiing around in them in the workplace .
I just find that a bit provocative in a mixed office here .
Iv never really noticed this before having mostly worked in offices predominatly catholic where no one was ever wearing one.
Last year i was in England working during this week when pretty much everyone was obviously wearing one