To be fair though mate,
Martial
Rashford - Lingard - James
Rashford - Lingard - James
Is still beyond piss poor for a club the size of United
Not replacing Lukaku and Sanchez
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Is still beyond piss poor for a club the size of United
My main feeling about this is excitement about what Greenwood and maybe Gomes and Chong could do. There is no point in all the misery stuff, let's just see.
I think it was Stephen Howson who said recently that we're basically relying on both Rashford and Martial having record-breaking seasons.
Agreed.
But in the same mould, we can play Perreira, Lingard on the wing with likes of Chong, Gomes, Greenwood getting chances.
Would you have a Lukaku on the bench on 200k a week and getting on for 10 mins a game starving Greenwood for game time? And when Lukaku comes in for an injured player we have to change the way we play?
He's right. It's utter lunacy imo.
Starving a 17 year old Greenwood for game time? Are you serious?
Think we will miss Lukaku's goals so I am hoping the Rashford's and Martial's figures increase a lot this season.
Yes, I am serious. I would rather give Greenwood 10-15 appearances than Lukaku who we already know what he does.
They didn't increase much against Palace at home, these are the games they need to be winning for us.
It's mental to expect a 17 year old Greenwood to score anywhere near the amount of goals Lukaku would.
I don't even rate Lukaku, but we could of done with him vs Palace.
To be honest Lukaku would have got limited game time under Ole anyway, so his potential goal output wouldn't be as high. But yeah, Greenwood would do well to get 5 goals in all comps this season let alone 10+. We simply have to hope Martial and Rashford can share the burden of needing to replace Lukaku's goals.
Just maybe, this will get the message through to the Board & Glazers that Solskjaer needs their backing in the transfer window.
When he says he wants a RW, get him a RW...!!
At one stage we had 12 senior squad injuries under LVG but he played kids and it did not totally screw us. I think our best kids today are better than LVG era.
You're going to have to wake up to changing conditions in PL. Glazers will never spend the £½ billion or more it'll take to get back to being PL winning rivals. The only way forward is to find youth players with the potential to be PL winners. To play them.
Sadly you are completely right on this. If they don't start producing in games like this we are in for a really tough season.
James is basically a Sanchez replacement and Greenwood for Lukaku?
I really hope you are right and the board see sense on this and realise they made a mistake by not signing a right winger.
1. Best option was to replace Lukuku. Sanchez doesn’t need replacing, as he was never needed on the first place and contributed nothing.
2. Second best option - get rid of both by any means possible, and go with what we have. Give Greenwood some exposure, and if necessary buy in Jan.
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99th best option - have Lukuku and Sanchez playing for us this season.
2. Second best option - get rid of both by any means possible, and go with what we have. Give Greenwood some exposure, and if necessary buy in Jan.
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99th best option - have Lukuku and Sanchez playing for us this season.
Sanchez wont be missed... at all
Lukaku selling is a gamble but he didn't have it in him to fight for a place or prove his worth and as his actions have shown he started to be a dick so he needed to be let go. If Rashford/Martial were always going to be automatic starters under the new regime how do you replace Lukaku? You cant do it with a like for like as that profile of player wont be happy to be second fiddle so you then look at the likes of Llorente or go to the academy with the likes of Greenwood
I'm sure in an ideal world Lukaku would have been replaced with a top class RW like Sancho but alas that wasn't to be (for this summer anyway)
Lukaku selling is a gamble but he didn't have it in him to fight for a place or prove his worth and as his actions have shown he started to be a dick so he needed to be let go. If Rashford/Martial were always going to be automatic starters under the new regime how do you replace Lukaku? You cant do it with a like for like as that profile of player wont be happy to be second fiddle so you then look at the likes of Llorente or go to the academy with the likes of Greenwood
I'm sure in an ideal world Lukaku would have been replaced with a top class RW like Sancho but alas that wasn't to be (for this summer anyway)
12 goals? Lukaku started games and got that. If Greenwood can get 6 goals this year
last summer Fred and Dalot replaced Carrick and Valencia (effectively). This summer McT & Pereira have replaced Felly & Herrera, James & Greenwood have replaced Lukau & Sanchez, AWB & Macguire hopeully we replace Darmo and at least one CB. We've also got Gomes & Chong.
The numbers are ok so we have replaced Lukaku & Sanchez but with vastly inexperienced players. Personally, I support the move. It appears they were having a negative effect on the dressing room and, particularly Sanchez, they never justified the investment. We do lack a creative midfielder though. I'd prefer to see Maddison or Kai Havertz in at 10 instead of Lingaard, he's a squad player. We need to create more decent chances for the amount of possession we have.
The numbers are ok so we have replaced Lukaku & Sanchez but with vastly inexperienced players. Personally, I support the move. It appears they were having a negative effect on the dressing room and, particularly Sanchez, they never justified the investment. We do lack a creative midfielder though. I'd prefer to see Maddison or Kai Havertz in at 10 instead of Lingaard, he's a squad player. We need to create more decent chances for the amount of possession we have.
I would have kept hold of Sanchez - while he hasn’t done anything to date surely he would have been useful - his was just a confidence thing - moody yes but he was always giving 100%
The fact that we are paying a huge amount of wages cash for him to play for someone else is wrong.....totally wrong
I’m all for youth but we haven’t really even given them a chance so far - need to either go for it and stick with it otherwise Ole is going to get slaughtered - we need to make sure out of form players are not starters this season.....so the first person that needs saving from themselves if Lingard - he has been woeful so far this season so let’s mix it up and try something different rather than just keep talking about it....
The fact that we are paying a huge amount of wages cash for him to play for someone else is wrong.....totally wrong
I’m all for youth but we haven’t really even given them a chance so far - need to either go for it and stick with it otherwise Ole is going to get slaughtered - we need to make sure out of form players are not starters this season.....so the first person that needs saving from themselves if Lingard - he has been woeful so far this season so let’s mix it up and try something different rather than just keep talking about it....
Sanchez has been replaced by James. And it's a clear upgrade for us.
Lukaku has replaced by Greenwood. Last season Lukaku was unfit, not especially productive in front of goal and unsuited to any kind of pressing football. That is why he lost his undroppable status once Mourinho was sacked. He responded to this not by getting himself back into shape and fighting for his place but by declaring that his dream was to leave United for Italy. Then in the summer he acted like a massive baby to force his way out. Greenwood is an unknown quality at PL level but his talent is clear and as long as he actually wants to play for us then I'd rather have him in the squad that Lukaku.
Lukaku has replaced by Greenwood. Last season Lukaku was unfit, not especially productive in front of goal and unsuited to any kind of pressing football. That is why he lost his undroppable status once Mourinho was sacked. He responded to this not by getting himself back into shape and fighting for his place but by declaring that his dream was to leave United for Italy. Then in the summer he acted like a massive baby to force his way out. Greenwood is an unknown quality at PL level but his talent is clear and as long as he actually wants to play for us then I'd rather have him in the squad that Lukaku.
So they say, for all we know it’s worse than that but they got a 2 week break to hide behind.
I’m more concerned with the ones who do his work so he can flounce about...
Yup I think we will... hope we won't but yeah... though I do think the bigger crime was not replacing Herrera.
I mean, even if we kept Herrera we should have probably tried to buy a central midfielder... so the fact that he went and we didn't even replace him is mind boggling to me.
I mean, even if we kept Herrera we should have probably tried to buy a central midfielder... so the fact that he went and we didn't even replace him is mind boggling to me.
Is it bad that I hope Fred can come good? Can one of our signings come offf?
I want all our guys to come good. That includes Sanchez, Fred even Rojo. Pogba is our best player but his heart seems set elsewhere so we really need to learn to play without him.
I have no idea who was in control over the summer. We just seem to thin in areas of the squad,it appears very badly planned.
Rashford isn't a winger and is backup striker. That's the problem.
I'm not saying Lingard doesn't need replacing. It's not one or the other.
We were all concerned that leaving Rashford and Martial as the two main strikers was risky. Especially as both will start most games, rather than one being a backup.
But you'd have thought we'd have lasted more than 3 games without one being injured!
But you'd have thought we'd have lasted more than 3 games without one being injured!
Ole is putting faith on the youngsters. I think there are six or seven of them.
I don't think it's a big deal to be honest, we have 3 players that can play as striker. James is very comfortable on the left if one of Martial or Rashford is injured.
Only becomes an issue for me if both Martial and Rashford are out, but I'd imagine most teams would be in a bit of a mess if their two main strikers were out.
CF: Rashford/Martial/Greenwood
LWF: James/Martial/Rashford #10: Mata/Gomes/Andreas/Lingard RWF: Lingard/Mata/Andreas/James/Dalot/Greenwood
LWF: James/Martial/Rashford #10: Mata/Gomes/Andreas/Lingard RWF: Lingard/Mata/Andreas/James/Dalot/Greenwood
Plenty of options there, as I say, only really becomes an issue if Martial and Rashford are both out for a sustained spell.
Ryan Giggs and Daniel James have both said he can play anywhere in the front 3. Not sure sure what he would be like playing in the middle if the need ever arose though.
It looks like we're folding on this season to lay groundwork for a re-build.
We will suffer when regulars start to drop due to injuries.
We will suffer when regulars start to drop due to injuries.
Really hope your'e right on the part in bold
It's a tiresome cliche but it's obvious we need to clean house. I just hope the club is more proactive with their recruitment policy for next year than they were this summer. I must admit though I have my doubts.Really hope your'e right on the part in bold
I would have rathered them not sign Mata up to a new contract but that's the way it goes. I hope they get in at least a decent right winger and a couple of midfielders in the summer. I hope the board don't just intend on spending the bare minimum that they think will get us into the top 4. Although I am happy we are finally starting to clear the deadwood.
Certainly very light on game turning options off the bench. Even 5 years ago you had Hernandez who was perfect for that sort of role.
If you're 2-1 down in games with 15 minutes left and bring on Mata, Lingard and Greenwood to try to salvage something that to me wouldn't feel that threatening (of course meaning they'll all play big parts in your usual Villa Park 2-0 down comeback
).
Daniel James would actually be a good supersub but given how he's playing you need him to start games.
At the minute it dosen't feel like 2017 when Man. United messed up in the league but still had the squad to comfortably compete in europa league. If you play the kids in that you're risking an early knock out exit I think which could be a problem if top 4 starts moving away.
If you're 2-1 down in games with 15 minutes left and bring on Mata, Lingard and Greenwood to try to salvage something that to me wouldn't feel that threatening (of course meaning they'll all play big parts in your usual Villa Park 2-0 down comeback
).Daniel James would actually be a good supersub but given how he's playing you need him to start games.
At the minute it dosen't feel like 2017 when Man. United messed up in the league but still had the squad to comfortably compete in europa league. If you play the kids in that you're risking an early knock out exit I think which could be a problem if top 4 starts moving away.
Think Greenwood could do something off the bench but I don't think we would have the option of both Mata and Lingard off the bench. I think one of them 2 will definitely be starting.Certainly very light on game turning options off the bench. Even 5 years ago you had Hernandez who was perfect for that sort of role.
If you're 2-1 down in games with 15 minutes left and bring on Mata, Lingard and Greenwood to try to salvage something that to me wouldn't feel that threatening (of course meaning they'll all play big parts in your usual Villa Park 2-0 down comeback
Daniel James would actually be a good supersub but given how he's playing you need him to start games.
At the minute it dosen't feel like 2017 when Man. United messed up in the league but still had the squad to comfortably compete in europa league. If you play the kids in that you're risking an early knock out exit I think which could be a problem if top 4 starts moving away.