Ole anger with Lingard

[Captainkit]

Wowww. Nice write

 

[MAME DIOUF 32]

I used to like him as a player but he's become less and less effective from a position that wasn't great to begin with. At the same time he's taken his weird manchild personality to social media, which is up to him, but my concern is that we're getting an insight into the kind of influence he is on younger players. He's a senior pro now and should have been so for several years.

I never expected to find myself writing this kind of thing, but he'd never have got away with this in the past.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

I think I actually hate this guy

 

[shiranaiotoko]

Mr. Roy would kill him, unfortunately current dress-room is one big spineless bunch.

Ole needs to be ruthless if he aspires to be second SAF, because SAF would dispose of this cancer already, along with Pogba.

 

[Handsome Devil]

I’ve heard Ole wants to play a Reactor 4 in midfield.

Could be explosive.

I’ll get my coat and my turban.

But not your turbine.

 

[Pace Abuser]

He's Ravel Morrison without the crimes. Or talent.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Blown away with that, ott in places, but as good as anything i've ever read on here. And English obviously not being your first language makes it even better.

You're probably taking the piss but I really needed to get this off my chest. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I don't mind people defending Lingard, even if I don't get it.

However, he would be one of the first players I would like to be sold, even if only to get Rashford away from him and concentrated on the tough job we have ahead in rebuilding the squad. I know it won't happen so the best scenario would be for Ole to get a tight grip on the dressing room and on players like Lingard in particular. No more excuses for not performing at the age of 26-27.

But as explained in my long post, I'm skeptical that OGS will be provided the structure and support to enforce any sort of change in the famous "culture" of the squad.

 

[Hawks2008]

I'm ashamed of ever supporting Lingard as an individual player. It pains me to see how little he seems to care about the club or the fans after such a disastrous season, bearing in mind that we are also having the worst period ever for our club since almost 30 years. We are not only stagnating, we are going down the hill and we seem to not have a clue about how to plan for the future. Lingard was supposed to be becoming the senior player, the local lad that was entrusted by Sir Alex Ferguson and given all the chances possible to succeed.

Yet years have passed, Jesse Lingard is now 26, about to become 27 years old and it almost seems like his attitude is getting more and more immature, instead of settling down with more experience and understanding his role as being someone the players look up to, whether very young kids or the much more older generations. I would say the club is at fault in some way about this whole situation, because they not only have consistently allowed player power and undisciplined behaviour, I think they have been encouraging it. Are we a football club first, or are we a corporate brand circus, ready to do anything necessary to sell out as much as possible and spit on our great history, on the legends like Sir Alex Ferguson, who gave dedicated their life for Manchester United?

People say times are changing. No, we are allowing the culture at our club to deteriorate and we even have some fans defending this (which just does my head in, it makes no sense). We constantly talk about the lack of ambition in our players and their lack of self-awareness, always coming out with excuses and promises after each new low that we reach as a club. How can we as fans allow this to become acceptable and the norm, considering the state of the whole team and Manchester United as an institution? We have become a laughing stock in world football, not just in the eyes of rival supporters, but it's obvious other clubs see right through our incompetence, fleecing us for every single deal - the same goes for agents and their players.

Some will point out that similar or even worse things have happened before. First of all, these things were never glorified or publicised for some sort of egotistical self-gain. Secondly, we had all the means to deal with these issues internally. The dressing room was full of strong-willed characters, most of whom literally were bleeding for the club and sacrificing their life to dedicate everything in their focus to succeeding. And we had the best manager in the world, arguably the best of all-time - Sir Alex Ferguson. Now? What can we lay back on, who can we rely on to steady the ship and keep the players in check? In my opinion, there isn't a single player in the squad that is a true leader, not even one. I like Pogba, but he is very self-obsessed, even though he has good human qualities, he just likes to be the centre of attention, to show his incredible skills for his own glory at the end of the day. The rest are weak or not good enough.

I love Solskjaer, there is no point in even explaining why. Even though I was a very little kid in 1999 and didn't get into football some years later, I have done my part in learning what Manchester United is all about and appreciate the people who created the incredible legacy that our greedy owners have been leeching from and that our spoiled players don't seem to understand at all in reality. But I don't think Ole has the character to be a totally ruthless manager when even the club owners and directors have given the player power even more significance than ever. It really worries me how OGS will handle this group of players in the coming season and I hope the fans don't disgrace themselves even further by blaming him for everything bad that might happen, because the levels of toxicity have definitely gone over anything we have ever seen - or at least I haven't seen it like this in my lifetime as a United fan.

There is no way that we as a fanbase should be accepting this supposed "lad culture" as something normal and something that should be showed off to the whole world, especially when it comes from our own players. It is a bad example for the future generations of our youth players as they take it all in as a sponge, thanks to social media and no parent control seeing all this sh*t on a daily basis and believing this is what life is about. And if that's not bad enough, Lingard knowingly does all this public clowning to further expand his image and brand, whilst enabling himself to even do this by using Manchester United's history, badge and legacy.

I've seen his Instagram posts and the comments bellow them. Almost all positive ones in the past season are from very little kids, a lot of little girls which was really a surprise to me and it goes as far as Lingard having numerous "fan pages", where if you look at the content posted, you'd be thinking this player is some sort of cult hero who is worshiped for every action taken, which most of the time happens to be outside of the football pitch. All this has gone to Lingard's head, people can't deny his consistent change of personality since LVG gave him a chance to be part of the first team. It's like he is undergoing the opposite process of maturing, whilst I have not seen anything spectacular in terms of his actual football skills.

The whole thing is much worse because of the situation our club is in. Sir Alex would have swiftly dealt with this. Nowadays we let players lead us by the nose, even our supposed beloved homegrown youth local lads, who should be getting the club and what it takes to be a Manchester United player, what a huge privilege it should be. For me personally, it's even more disheartening to see Rashford becoming apart of this circus. He became my absolute favourite player when he broke into the squad as the unknown teenage sensation. Humble, hardworking, you would never see him complaining on the pitch and was the perfect team player.

Compare him to then and see what he is becoming now. To me he has a world class talent, but is losing the mentality, the understanding of what responsibilities he has and what sacrifices must be made to be a leading player for United. And it's all because his mentor is Jesse fecking Lingard. I really hope he proves me wrong, he is still only 21 and as I said, in my opinion he is a world class talent. Remembered watching recently the interview that Gary Neville did with Paddy Evra. What struck me the most was when Evra was talking about what it takes to be a Manchester United player. Here are the actual quotes so you can all get the full picture:

It was a very powerful moment of the interview for me because Evra was so serious and you could feel the emotion through his words. I don't think many people in the club, apart from Ole, understand how much it really takes to get to the top and maintain such high standards.

I know there will be loads of people saying this is an overreaction, but I've been having these thoughts for a long time now, since the second season with Mourinho. Went on to despise Jose by the end of his tenure here but now I think how even one of the hardest bastards in the game could not handle this group of players, who barely consist of any sort of superstars or anything similar like for example Real Madrid. There is still chance for at least a little salvation this summer, but the signs are yet again not good at all and the attitude of players like Lingard is coming in the worst possible time. Maybe this rant should have gone to a whole new thread, but I'm just a newbie so it's the best I could do. (foreign fan as well, so more ammo to shoot me with)

Great great post.

 

[Sandikan]

He’s 26 and his best friend is 21- says a lot about his social development.

Strange post.
If he was 46 it might be weird!

 

[Sandikan]

Weird comparison, this. Having sex isn’t immature and pathetic. Having a threesome isn’t immature and pathetic. With the consent of all involved, taking recordings of sex isn’t immature and pathetic. That’s just called being an adult? And somehow I doubt that Allison was actively seeking to put that online. Really, what did he do wrong?
?

Well it's hardly classy behaviour is it?!

 

[Sandikan]

I've just watched the video and I have no idea what anybody is on about.

It's absolutely nothing. He swears a few times and then his mate pretends to shag a pillow for a couple of seconds. It's very low level laddish behaviour from a group of lads on holiday.

Like why on earth is it even getting attention? It's a bunch of absolutely nothing. Him being a shite player or having a poor season has feck all to do with the fact that in this video he's done nothing wrong. Just screams of people wanting to get the pitchforks out because they don't like him as a player.

Yep. People are going over board.

He is a total clown, and dresses and acts like a berk, but it's when you read other people condoning all sorts of horrific behaviour, and saying Lingard screaming BEANS into a camera is worse that gets me.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Well it's hardly classy behaviour is it?!

Depends on the angles

 

[Pace Abuser]

You're probably taking the piss but I really needed to get this off my chest. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I don't mind people defending Lingard, even if I don't get it.

However, he would be one of the first players I would like to be sold, even if only to get Rashford away from him and concentrated on the tough job we have ahead in rebuilding the squad. I know it won't happen so the best scenario would be for Ole to get a tight grip on the dressing room and on players like Lingard in particular. No more excuses for not performing at the age of 26-27.

But as explained in my long post, I'm skeptical that OGS will be provided the structure and support to enforce any sort of change in the famous "culture" of the squad.

You've contributed two fantastic posts mate.

 

[Wilt]

I couldn’t really care less if he was to bare his arse for all to see, if he was brilliant on the pitch.

Unfortunately he’s not brilliant, he’s just an average player stealing a ridiculously inflated wage.

So when a genuine talent comes to Utd and see’s what the likes of Lingard is being paid, then it’s no wonder or surprise that they’ll want a hell of a lot more money. And who could blame them?

 

[Class of 63]

You're probably taking the piss but I really needed to get this off my chest. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I don't mind people defending Lingard, even if I don't get it.

However, he would be one of the first players I would like to be sold, even if only to get Rashford away from him and concentrated on the tough job we have ahead in rebuilding the squad. I know it won't happen so the best scenario would be for Ole to get a tight grip on the dressing room and on players like Lingard in particular. No more excuses for not performing at the age of 26-27.

But as explained in my long post, I'm skeptical that OGS will be provided the structure and support to enforce any sort of change in the famous "culture" of the squad.

Not taking the piss at all mate, it's a post of high quality and enjoyable to read.

On Lingard, I rate him highly, but I can understand why some don't, I think the kid is at the right club just maybe at the wrong time, but put him in a settled winning side playing with confidence in a free role linking the defence to the midfield, and/or linking the midfield to the attack I think he'd be appreciated more by those who currently can't seem to see past his poor stats.

And on his age, he was so small and underdeveloped when he was 18 that the club had to seek special dispensation to play him as an 18 year old in the u16 side so he's always been two years behind in development years so he is one of those rare 26 year old 24 year olds, so still a pup

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Not taking the piss at all mate, it's a post of high quality and enjoyable to read.

On Lingard, I rate him highly, but I can understand why some don't, I think the kid is at the right club just maybe at the wrong time, but put him in a settled winning side playing with confidence in a free role linking the defence to the midfield, and/or linking the midfield to the attack I think he'd be appreciated more by those who currently can't seem to see past his poor stats.

And on his age, he was so small and underdeveloped when he was 18 that the club had to seek special dispensation to play him as an 18 year old in the u16 side so he's always been two years behind in development years so he is one of those rare 26 year old 24 year olds, so still a pup

No winning side would ever give Jesse Lingard a place in the team, let alone a free role linking between defense and attack.

 

[Will Singh]

I highly doubt Ole will care. Far too much is being made of this.

Wonder if the club issued a warning when Rooney was shagging prostitutes, or when Giggs was shagging his brothers wife. Heaven forbid Jesse film a stupid video.

Rooney = World Class
Giggs = World Class
JlingZ = SHIT

How could you even mention Rooney and Giggs in the same sentence as that clown, he hasn't done nothing to deserve a little leeway, the sooner he leaves the better.

Harsh...maybe, but coming from the SAF era and acting like a clown aint gonna go down well with the fans and club.

 

[Paxi]

I'm ashamed of ever supporting Lingard as an individual player. It pains me to see how little he seems to care about the club or the fans after such a disastrous season, bearing in mind that we are also having the worst period ever for our club since almost 30 years. We are not only stagnating, we are going down the hill and we seem to not have a clue about how to plan for the future. Lingard was supposed to be becoming the senior player, the local lad that was entrusted by Sir Alex Ferguson and given all the chances possible to succeed.

Yet years have passed, Jesse Lingard is now 26, about to become 27 years old and it almost seems like his attitude is getting more and more immature, instead of settling down with more experience and understanding his role as being someone the players look up to, whether very young kids or the much more older generations. I would say the club is at fault in some way about this whole situation, because they not only have consistently allowed player power and undisciplined behaviour, I think they have been encouraging it. Are we a football club first, or are we a corporate brand circus, ready to do anything necessary to sell out as much as possible and spit on our great history, on the legends like Sir Alex Ferguson, who gave dedicated their life for Manchester United?

People say times are changing. No, we are allowing the culture at our club to deteriorate and we even have some fans defending this (which just does my head in, it makes no sense). We constantly talk about the lack of ambition in our players and their lack of self-awareness, always coming out with excuses and promises after each new low that we reach as a club. How can we as fans allow this to become acceptable and the norm, considering the state of the whole team and Manchester United as an institution? We have become a laughing stock in world football, not just in the eyes of rival supporters, but it's obvious other clubs see right through our incompetence, fleecing us for every single deal - the same goes for agents and their players.

Some will point out that similar or even worse things have happened before. First of all, these things were never glorified or publicised for some sort of egotistical self-gain. Secondly, we had all the means to deal with these issues internally. The dressing room was full of strong-willed characters, most of whom literally were bleeding for the club and sacrificing their life to dedicate everything in their focus to succeeding. And we had the best manager in the world, arguably the best of all-time - Sir Alex Ferguson. Now? What can we lay back on, who can we rely on to steady the ship and keep the players in check? In my opinion, there isn't a single player in the squad that is a true leader, not even one. I like Pogba, but he is very self-obsessed, even though he has good human qualities, he just likes to be the centre of attention, to show his incredible skills for his own glory at the end of the day. The rest are weak or not good enough.

I love Solskjaer, there is no point in even explaining why. Even though I was a very little kid in 1999 and didn't get into football some years later, I have done my part in learning what Manchester United is all about and appreciate the people who created the incredible legacy that our greedy owners have been leeching from and that our spoiled players don't seem to understand at all in reality. But I don't think Ole has the character to be a totally ruthless manager when even the club owners and directors have given the player power even more significance than ever. It really worries me how OGS will handle this group of players in the coming season and I hope the fans don't disgrace themselves even further by blaming him for everything bad that might happen, because the levels of toxicity have definitely gone over anything we have ever seen - or at least I haven't seen it like this in my lifetime as a United fan.

There is no way that we as a fanbase should be accepting this supposed "lad culture" as something normal and something that should be showed off to the whole world, especially when it comes from our own players. It is a bad example for the future generations of our youth players as they take it all in as a sponge, thanks to social media and no parent control seeing all this sh*t on a daily basis and believing this is what life is about. And if that's not bad enough, Lingard knowingly does all this public clowning to further expand his image and brand, whilst enabling himself to even do this by using Manchester United's history, badge and legacy.

I've seen his Instagram posts and the comments bellow them. Almost all positive ones in the past season are from very little kids, a lot of little girls which was really a surprise to me and it goes as far as Lingard having numerous "fan pages", where if you look at the content posted, you'd be thinking this player is some sort of cult hero who is worshiped for every action taken, which most of the time happens to be outside of the football pitch. All this has gone to Lingard's head, people can't deny his consistent change of personality since LVG gave him a chance to be part of the first team. It's like he is undergoing the opposite process of maturing, whilst I have not seen anything spectacular in terms of his actual football skills.

The whole thing is much worse because of the situation our club is in. Sir Alex would have swiftly dealt with this. Nowadays we let players lead us by the nose, even our supposed beloved homegrown youth local lads, who should be getting the club and what it takes to be a Manchester United player, what a huge privilege it should be. For me personally, it's even more disheartening to see Rashford becoming apart of this circus. He became my absolute favourite player when he broke into the squad as the unknown teenage sensation. Humble, hardworking, you would never see him complaining on the pitch and was the perfect team player.

Compare him to then and see what he is becoming now. To me he has a world class talent, but is losing the mentality, the understanding of what responsibilities he has and what sacrifices must be made to be a leading player for United. And it's all because his mentor is Jesse fecking Lingard. I really hope he proves me wrong, he is still only 21 and as I said, in my opinion he is a world class talent. Remembered watching recently the interview that Gary Neville did with Paddy Evra. What struck me the most was when Evra was talking about what it takes to be a Manchester United player. Here are the actual quotes so you can all get the full picture:

It was a very powerful moment of the interview for me because Evra was so serious and you could feel the emotion through his words. I don't think many people in the club, apart from Ole, understand how much it really takes to get to the top and maintain such high standards.

I know there will be loads of people saying this is an overreaction, but I've been having these thoughts for a long time now, since the second season with Mourinho. Went on to despise Jose by the end of his tenure here but now I think how even one of the hardest bastards in the game could not handle this group of players, who barely consist of any sort of superstars or anything similar like for example Real Madrid. There is still chance for at least a little salvation this summer, but the signs are yet again not good at all and the attitude of players like Lingard is coming in the worst possible time. Maybe this rant should have gone to a whole new thread, but I'm just a newbie so it's the best I could do. (foreign fan as well, so more ammo to shoot me with)

Great post.

 

[Will Singh]

He's young, he makes mistakes. I'm sure Ole will take that into consideration.

How long will he be young for?

He's the oldest young person I've ever come across, if he hits 100 I'll place a bet that he will still be acting like a clown and people saying he's young.

 

[Class of 63]

No winning side would ever give Jesse Lingard a place in the team, let alone a free role linking between defense and attack.

Let's wait and see.

 

[Black Adder]

Let's wait and see.

Yep, once this bidding war between Barcelona, Real, Juventus and Psg for our JLingz ends we'll have an answer.

 

[Class of 63]

Yep, once this bidding war between Barcelona, Real, Juventus and Psg for our JLingz ends we'll have an answer.

They'd be wasting their time, Jesse will stay where he's loved.

 

[Black Adder]

They'd be wasting their time, Jesse will stay where he's loved.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Class of 63]

Fingers crossed!

You've confused me now by agreeing with me

 

[Al-T]

Quite a hens tooth when something involving Lingard involves even a suggestion of penetration.

This video might be vaguely amusing/slightly embarrassing for a 17 year old, but Lingard is not a 'kid' anymore. He's 26. A grown up (supposedly) employed and hugely remunerated by, one of the greatest football clubs in the world.

I despair of having twats like this representing Manchester United.

 

[Baby-faced Assassin]

I’d started to come to terms with the fact footballers had changed and that as a man in my late 30’s it was unreasonable to expect to feel a connection with a squad of young players. But when you look around at our rivals there seems to be greater character, professionalism and team spirit. We could put that down to the managers but I wouldn’t say we’ve had weak managers. In fact each have complained about the squad character. Shifting on Pogba and Lingard would be a start of changing the culture.

 

[shamans]

What's sadder, JLingz or the woman who would actually sleep with him.

 

[marukomu]

I am always reminded of the Dead Kennedys song, Jock O Rama. Not the whole song, but the line "But who cares? Game's over!
Let's go get wasted, man!".
Sure, he can have his fun but posting it all online doesn't make him look good. As others have said, if he actually played well, nobody would care, but he doesn't.
If any small, unfashionable clubs are reading this, please buy him. He will do wonders for your publicity.

 

[Mainoldo]

I’d started to come to terms with the fact footballers had changed and that as a man in my late 30’s it was unreasonable to expect to feel a connection with a squad of young players. But when you look around at our rivals there seems to be greater character, professionalism and team spirit. We could put that down to the managers but I wouldn’t say we’ve had weak managers. In fact each have complained about the squad character. Shifting on Pogba and Lingard would be a start of changing the culture.

Get rid of the dancing boys?

People on here make me laugh. Unconscious Cultural disliking.

 

[lon ball2]

This is what happens when you pay someone undeserving 100k a week. It goes to their head, their standards and behaviour slackens, and the manager cannot discipline them properly because they are impossible to move on, no other club will match the salary, so the gaffers has one hand tied behind his back

 

[Handsome Devil]

It all boils down to laddish antics on holiday. Immature maybe but that's all.
The only way he can truly answer his detractors now is on the pitch.
Oh wait....

 

[Ban]

To think he's actually 27..

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Regardless of what an irritating little shit he is, the crux of it all comes down to the fact he is a shit footballer, for an attacking player who plays most games his 'contributions' are laughably few and far between, he offers literally nothing that 100 other players couldn't and could do it with out annoying the shit out of me.

 

[Black Adder]

You've confused me now by agreeing with me

I'm playing between the lines, just like JLingz does!

 

[Bestietom]

Which is worse Lingard's Playboy antics or Pogba's statement that he wants out. I know what I think.

 

[hobbers]

Which is worse Lingard's Playboy antics or Pogba's statement that he wants out. I know what I think.

Well any of us in Pogba's shoes would also be wanting out, so there's that.

I know in Lingard's position, a failing player in a failing team, I'd have my head down and wouldn't put my head above the social media parapet for anything until I'd put some good performances together.

 

[clarkydaz]

"youtube is not ready for me" - Jesse lingard

 

[Adisa]

Which is worse Lingard's Playboy antics or Pogba's statement that he wants out. I know what I think.

Madrid and Jude are after him. Why should he not want out?

 

[Marcelinho87]

Madrid and Jude are after him. Why should he not want out?

Exactly, and good reason why they want him too.

I would love to see what clubs would be lining up for a Lingard who wants to leave.

 

[kouroux]

Can someone please tell me which aspects of football Lingard has improved since he first broke through ?