It's quit simple. If you have two teams going in to a new season, both team are even on paper and considered avarage, and one of the team perform good and play a good football people will change their viewpoint and raise them from avarage to good. If the other team underperform, the opposite will happen and people will think they are crap and the whole narrative from the start of the season will be changed. The question then is how come one team is on the up and the other on the down? The answer is, the manager. Ole has to go.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Good post.
Still can't understand why he is still our manager. At any big club we would be well past the last straw. Only at United is a bumbling fumbling mess of a manager given an easy ride and a 50 million signing to boot.
Yup thought this as well. Not smart of Ole to neglect to bring in coaches that can have a real impact, especially as our problems on the pitch very obviously stem from the training ground.
Why would Ed spout his Disneyland speech to a former long time player and youth coach /entirely unqualified grateful novice (delete wherever less plausible) he only intended to hire as a PR win interim stop gap to begin with!?
Ole is not some renegade messianic antidote to the Glazer regime... he’s a supine, payed up employee of it just achingly grateful to be there.
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Your right, Ole intentionally wanted to make the impossible job harder for himself. That is more likely than Ed being Ed.
Or, Ole was a hopelessly naive optimist who assumed he could go into a Premier League season in 2020 with a spunky batch of youngsters and all the cool players the fans wanted, without adequate back up, because Fergie once did it in 1995 when his biggest competitors where a Newcastle team with a defence comprised entirely of mullets and almost no international caps, and a moneybags Blackburn side who’d spent millions assembling a midfield dictated by the talents of David Batty and Paul Warhurst!
Because like the vast majority of the fans still supporting him, he’s a hopeless romantic optimist who loves the club, but is completely out of touch with what’s needed or required of a top team in 2020, beyond some hazy nostalgic idea of “the right way..” and will more than likely drive the club further adrift in a misguided attempt to “take things back” rather than “move them forward”
... and for the nteenth time, you can’t blame Ed for all our woes whilst pretending Ole is some poor, victimised bystander, secretly raging against the Glazers and plotting their downfall! He’s the most supine, uncombative yes man we’ve had since Fergie retired FFS! He has no clout to wield whatsoever, and he’ll continue to eat shit and smile for as long as he’s in the job he knows he’s improbably lucky to have stumbled into!
I think all the rebuild talk is just weak excuses by managers who are not good enough, somehow every ManUtd manager repeat the same thing and fans fall for it everytime.
We really should have cut throat attitude, the bar should be lot higher for the club that keeps repeating "biggest club in the world".
At no big club or ambitious club manager survives this run, somehow we barely hear anything on Ole's position as manager.
We really should have cut throat attitude, the bar should be lot higher for the club that keeps repeating "biggest club in the world".
At no big club or ambitious club manager survives this run, somehow we barely hear anything on Ole's position as manager.
Poch come summer it is then.
On Cardiff being relegated : It's cardiff, they're a trainwreck, no manager can save them
On Cardiff being 11th in the Championship : See above
On Cardiff being promoted a year after Ole's being sacked : It never happened
On Molde winning the league : It's all down to Ole, he restructure the whole club
On Ole 15 games win strick : See what a non toxic manager with a modern approach in attacking
Ole on his last 5 games losing streak : Poor Jose work them to the ground, give him a preseason and next year we'll be the fittest team in the league
On our squad being thin : Ole hands was tied behind his back, he must be promised 4 more players but Ed never delivers
Ole's 9 win in 25 : Injuries, bad Luck, look at xG, look at how many time we hit the post. It wasn't so bad if we divided it in clusters.
On our worst start in 30 years : Bad ed, nobody can do better than Ole, Klopp needs 4 years, Pep needs 3 years, He'll need at least 3 years
On Ole spending 200M : He's left with shit squad by Toxic Jose, net spend is 120m, herrera leaving is like a -40m Net spend, we're actually spending 50m. If you count wages being freed we actually have a net spend of zero.
On why ole needs to keep his job : Nobody knows United better than him, if not him who else, Klopp/pep would fail with this squad, we won't win anything until Ed/Glazer is gone, process, needs 4-5 more players then we can judge him
On why we can't string 5 passes : Ole needs a better XI
Ole on being happy with his squad : He must be pointed a gun at his head, he's forced to say that
Ole on signing Idalo on loan : Astute signing, what a coup. If he doesn't workout it'll probably "Leecher Glazer didn't provide funds for striker backup we'd have to scrap loans from China"
On smiling alot on the camera : he must be a hairdryer inside the dressing room, props for not airing dirty laundry on public
On grilling Lingard : legend, ole must be the new Keane, he's not afraid to grill his player
On Jose finishind 2nd with 81 pts : It's shit, 2nd is nothing if you're miles behind the leader
On ole trailing 30 pts behind Liverpool : It's a process, give him another 4 years.
Ole sitting on the dugout even when he's losing : You don't need to be a raving lunatic like Klopp to make your team plays better
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We’re the biggest club in the world, he scored that goal 20 years ago. After the misery of finishing 2nd under Mourinho Ole’s finally restoring the clubs DNA, albeit the DNA from the 70s, I say quadruple his wages and damn your disrespect for saying only double it... stingy bugger
The funny thing. Stroll back to May. These very people said “give him one window then judge him”
The current excuses, rewriting history, lying, mental gymnastics , buying time etc proves they never thought Ole would be this bad.
Just imagine for a second, Ole wasn't a club legend. Let's say his name was Steve Ashley. Steve Ashley plays Pogba against Rochdale, gets an injury for more than half of the season. Plays an injured Rashford against Wolves in the fa cup 3rd round, gets an injury that takes him out for almost the rest of the season. Steve Ashley then comes out to say that Rashford was injured but took the risk of playing him in the 3rd round of the fa cup.
Imagine Steve Ashley was a manager who relegated Hull City and spent 8 years in Belarusian league. Imagine that Steve Ashley with this type of CV has risked and injured 2 of our best and fan favorite players in matches that should have been rested. Imagine even after doing that, Steve Ashley has us at 8th in the league. Imagine Steve Ashley that has spent 8 years in Belarusian league and relegated Hull City had us with the lowest point tally in the league in 40 years. Imagine Steve Ashley says that City putting out their best team means they respect us. Or that Wolves are a difficult team to break down after a goalless draw. Fred our best midfielder this season also comes along to say that there's not enohgh unity among teammates
I'm positive Steve Ashley from the Belarusian league would be facing alot of abuse here. Some would have called for his head. Nobody would have cared that we've hired two good managers in the past that failed because we would have hired the worst of the bunch . His four good signings and promotion of youth would have been discarded and hardly recognized. His constant talk of rebuild would only irritate people more. People would have no hope of getting the likes of Sancho. And then Pochettino was just there... Waiting for us.
Imagine Steve Ashley was a manager who relegated Hull City and spent 8 years in Belarusian league. Imagine that Steve Ashley with this type of CV has risked and injured 2 of our best and fan favorite players in matches that should have been rested. Imagine even after doing that, Steve Ashley has us at 8th in the league. Imagine Steve Ashley that has spent 8 years in Belarusian league and relegated Hull City had us with the lowest point tally in the league in 40 years. Imagine Steve Ashley says that City putting out their best team means they respect us. Or that Wolves are a difficult team to break down after a goalless draw. Fred our best midfielder this season also comes along to say that there's not enohgh unity among teammates
I'm positive Steve Ashley from the Belarusian league would be facing alot of abuse here. Some would have called for his head. Nobody would have cared that we've hired two good managers in the past that failed because we would have hired the worst of the bunch . His four good signings and promotion of youth would have been discarded and hardly recognized. His constant talk of rebuild would only irritate people more. People would have no hope of getting the likes of Sancho. And then Pochettino was just there... Waiting for us.
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People say Ole should get another window to clear more deadwood and bring in quality players eg Sancho, Maddison, Saul etc or that we should wait for Pogba and McTominay and Rashford. But does he even deserve to work with players of such quality?
People can look at his good CV and say "Look at his accomplishments. Quality players should want to work for such an accomplished manager" but he doesn't have that type of CV. People can look at his attractive style of play with the likes of average or above average players like Pereira, Martial, James, Fred etc and say "Look at how attractive their style of football is. I would like to see what he can do with quality players like Pogba, Sancho etc". But our football under him is not attractive. People can look at his position on the table and say "Look they are 4th. With quality players they can be on top". But we're currently 8th under Ole. Quality players can look at his ambition and say "I like his ambition and desire to win, I want to work with someone with that type of mentality". But then he says crap like City put out their best squad means they respect us and Wolves are a tough team to break so he's proud of the boys.
You look at Mourinho's CV and you can understand why quality players will want to work under him. You look at what Chris Wilder has done with an average sheffield side and you wonder what he can do with quality players. You look at Nagelsman's style of play and ambition and you can understand why a quality player will want to be a part of that
People can look at his good CV and say "Look at his accomplishments. Quality players should want to work for such an accomplished manager" but he doesn't have that type of CV. People can look at his attractive style of play with the likes of average or above average players like Pereira, Martial, James, Fred etc and say "Look at how attractive their style of football is. I would like to see what he can do with quality players like Pogba, Sancho etc". But our football under him is not attractive. People can look at his position on the table and say "Look they are 4th. With quality players they can be on top". But we're currently 8th under Ole. Quality players can look at his ambition and say "I like his ambition and desire to win, I want to work with someone with that type of mentality". But then he says crap like City put out their best squad means they respect us and Wolves are a tough team to break so he's proud of the boys.
You look at Mourinho's CV and you can understand why quality players will want to work under him. You look at what Chris Wilder has done with an average sheffield side and you wonder what he can do with quality players. You look at Nagelsman's style of play and ambition and you can understand why a quality player will want to be a part of that
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This is exactly what happened, Ole came in, pampered to general United fan feeling by sacking off or alienating anyone described as deadwood and had a great start.
Since that bounce ended his playing to the audience has bitten him in the ass big time and made a complete mockery of his squad building/culling.
Absolutely!
Everyone defending Ole is now trying to twist facts and claiming for example that he must have been promised a replacement for Lukaku, because well, they’ve now seen what a monumentally stupid decision it was and can’t blindly support Ole and admit that, so that one has to be Ed’s fault.
Ole alienated Lukaku immediately when he came in and mentioned in the Summer that a new striker could block Greenwood’s progression. Our reported striker targets in the Summer were Mandžukić and Dembele, it appears we didnn’t push very hard for either.
Martial was handed the number 9 because it was popular with many fans and Ole thinks like them, that’s why he cleared “deadwood” because that was popular and why he naively, optimistically thought he had enough going into the season.
Decent summary that.
When Ole is inevitably sacked, there needs to be a compilation of excuses his supporters made for him. The list of excuses Ole has is only worthy of a god. It shouldn't be surprising though because being a legend is the closest one can be to a god
He is the fans manager. All he does is do things based on the media. Martial will be on his hit list next because Gary and Roy said he’s not up to it. A striker fixing all our problems will once again be our new agenda. It’s the new defender we’ve continuously needed.
Yeah this has gotten pretty weird hasn’t it. A great deal of what’s used to argue in favor of Ole is stuff that other people have done and achieved, despite all evidence to the contrary with him.
Susprised people don't reference Ronaldo more often to proclaim Chong a future great.
That's a pretty accurate summary of everything I've read from team Ole out over the last year or so.Good post.
Very good post.
It would be good to draw up a list of all those who have been part of the Ole In Lunatic Asylum
This.
Said it in another thread but those claiming the clear-out was necessary need to realise that is what we call cutting of your nose to spite your face.
Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs left the top 4 door WIDE open for us, we should have kept a few of the "unlikeables" for a season whilst transitioning our squad, got a Champions League place, brought in some top targets and THEN sold off these players.
This Summer will now be so much harder as we'll have much less money due to no Champions League again for the second year running (adidas, tv rights etc), we'll be less attractive to players due to no Champions League and a horrific season behind us and any chance of convincing Pogba to stay has gone completely out of the window.
I've said it before and even if (fingers crossed) Ole goes on a 13 match winning streak and gets top 4, I'll forever say that last Summer was stupidity at it's absolute finest. It is never necessary to cull your squad like that and unless you're Sir Alex Ferguson and you're certain that the kids you're bringing in are up to it instantly (and as Mockney said, if the competition isn't as strong as it is today), you should never be let off for such stupidity.
Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs left the top 4 door WIDE open for us, we should have kept a few of the "unlikeables" for a season whilst transitioning our squad, got a Champions League place, brought in some top targets and THEN sold off these players.
This Summer will now be so much harder as we'll have much less money due to no Champions League again for the second year running (adidas, tv rights etc), we'll be less attractive to players due to no Champions League and a horrific season behind us and any chance of convincing Pogba to stay has gone completely out of the window.
I've said it before and even if (fingers crossed) Ole goes on a 13 match winning streak and gets top 4, I'll forever say that last Summer was stupidity at it's absolute finest. It is never necessary to cull your squad like that and unless you're Sir Alex Ferguson and you're certain that the kids you're bringing in are up to it instantly (and as Mockney said, if the competition isn't as strong as it is today), you should never be let off for such stupidity.
Seems pointless posting when @Mockney summed it up perfectly, without being hysterical, with resorting to abuse, just said what everyone with sense has been thinking for ages now.
When you look at the so called unlikables that Ole got rid of and the bang average to shit players we have kept your head will likely explode. Lukaku for all his faults he is the ultimate flat track bully that will score against most of the teams outside the top six, the sort of games you need to win to get top 4. Smalling is a very good defender, miles ahead of Lindelof and Jones whilst having Sanchez around is better than running Rashford and James to the ground. We actually loaned out Smalling and kept Phil Jones and some people are gullible enough to believe that we are rebuilding.
The mistake the club made was to allow themselves to get overexcited by Ole's dream run and abandon all the plans they had reportedly stated they were going to implement. The steps that United needed to take were; first appoint a DoF in the second half of the season, have him lead our manager search and lay the groundwork for the recruitment of the four or five players we needed and then appoint the manager. The issue is when you are so far behind the competition you need astute signing more than ever because you have to cover some positions with good players that cost 25m - 35m not dropping 130m on a couple of defenders because those type of fees should be reserved for match winners that turn draws into wins not fullbacks who can't attack. Imo the very thing that people were praising Ole for was where he got it wrong, instead of spending such figures on the defence he should have demanded cheaper options and at least signed another attacker. Now we have a team that can't keep clean sheets but still struggles to score goals.
Cannot argue with this or @Mockney. They culled the squad with absolutely no thought about if we still have enough depth or quality to get into the CL and then being able to recruit quality because of it. All the bullsh*t about he will trust youth, rubbish. If we don't get any European football, our efforts at recruiting players this summer could be laughable. Now we are just praying for one of Ole's winning streaks. Yet the very next game could kill us off. How many chances have we had this season to take advantage of slip ups by Chelsea and have failed to do so? That says a lot about the mentality of this club. Ole has gone into the season relying on Rashford/Martial and Pogba, well that has gone well hasn't it?
I’ve not seen much Ronaldo, but Vidic, Evra and Fletcher are often used to say that pretty much any player can become a great for us because these guys didn’t start off too hot.
The fact that Lukaku fed off the lower teams and those games are the ones we lose shows a complete lack of the mentality in this manager. Can't wait for the big games, but can't fathom out what to do in the lesser games.
Can’t argue with common sense. I watched both Klopp and Pep when they arrived, in their case, it was easy to see what would happen with better players because they got the players at their disposal to play their game. Ole has talked about a style without actually managing to impose one. Some people still think having fast players run into space is a style of play, it is not.
How he, in only one year, managed to lower standards for this club among fans is maybe the most amazing thing.
Fans are happy for being "close" to 4th spot, fans are happy with having average players who "fight for the club", fans are happy with away draws against midtable club, fans are over the moon these days when we score more than 2 goals against some dross team.
It is amazing really.
Fans are happy for being "close" to 4th spot, fans are happy with having average players who "fight for the club", fans are happy with away draws against midtable club, fans are over the moon these days when we score more than 2 goals against some dross team.
It is amazing really.
Hardly a surprise considering that their leader Ole is thrilled that teams coming to OT play their strongest team rather than reserves as it "shows" the progress we are making.
This in a nutshell really. What's stable about this situation really?
I don't know which fans are happy with close to 4th.
When have you seen fans happy with a draw against mid table?
Every fan wants to see us challenging but a few realise that there is a transition, unlike what you are suggesting.
Understanding that the club has been run badly for years and things need to be changed.
Yes, I would rather be happy with a McTominay, Rashford, Maguire than Sanchez, Lukaku, Di Maria who want to either use United for the money and do not perform on the pitch.
I never liked Jose but at least people held him to high standards as he did he himself. This is the first time post SAF that I feel we're attaining a small time mentality.
When we were 5th there was a high amount of "We're 5th in the league which is exactly where the quality of players can take us. If you look at the players we have, we're actually the 5th best team in the league". Maybe they weren't happy with 5th but they accepted it. That's the thing with people that support Ole. When we were 5th alot of them were banging on about how that's the position that we are meant to be. But people that wanted Ole out could see we were just one or two games away from crashing down.
I knew this the moment he got rid of Fellaini. Giggs did the same thing. He dropped Fellaini from the squad. LVG came back and brought him back. Jose did the same. He continued to play for Belgium and in the WC. Playing to the gallery is what Ole is doing. He has no balls at all too. Look at how Lukaku and Sanchez are performing for Inter now. They would walk into this United side. Lukaku, I have no issues about him being sold if we got a replacement for him. Sanchez yes only because we are still paying his wages or at least half of it.
Any bloody fool can manage a club like Molde with the money they have. I bet some here on CAF can do it too. If you have good assistants then and you have intelligence and good man management then you can manage a minnow club like Molde.
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