Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
  • Poll closed .
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Never in doubt. It’ll take crashing out of the CL AND going on an utterly horrendous run up to mid December. That much is clear.
Bringing back Phelan and Ole was obviously SAF’s idea (as was Ronaldo), so SAF’s advice still clearly holds a tonne of weight at at the top, and he’ll be pressing for them to remain patient for as long as possible.
You’d have hoped the Lampard > Tuchel move and subsequent instant change in their play and success would have been a wake up call but it obviously hasn’t been. It’s now been 10 months since Chelsea made that great decision and they are Champions League winners, league leaders and unrecognisable from Lampard’s side.
 
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The squad is lazy and unbalanced

When you have this kind of team,you need to be compact playing with a lot of water carriers and tackling specialists with a 451 or 460 with the empty space as a striker
 
M Bison said:
Tactically, for the owners and the next manager, I think it will be after the city game, unless we get absolutely thumped by the scousers (which could well happen) then it will be after that.
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Agree that's when the next International break is after the city game. If it continues to be bad then he be sacked and gives board nearly 2 weeks to get someone in however a hammering off the pool then that could change.
 
I predict that the match going fans would need to turn on him before it's even remotely possible, and I think that's quite a way off. Away fans still sung his name yesterday. Atmosphere at OT still seems more positive than it was at the worst points under Jose and LvG. I suspect it's going to have to get much worse.

I doubt he'll be called out by any of the United contingent of pundits either.
 
Bringing someone now means we still have this year in our hand. We still have CL and a shot at the title (with the right manager). We are only 6 points adrift now and by January we may have lost the season.
Considering our next run of games , we need a proper tactician to navigate us out of this. I don’t see Ole having the balls to make drastic changes to the starting XI and formation.
 
Sadly it's time to fly a banner over Old Trafford that reads "Thank you Ole but it's time you stepped down".
 
charlenefan said:
if there's loads of others you'll have no issue listing them

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Well assuming the Nagelsmann ship was sailed. Ten Hag, Rose, Enrique, Mancini, Rodgers, Potter, Galtier - and that is with only a cursory knowledge of European football. I'd hope United's recruiters had a much better idea of progressive coaches in Europe.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
I predict that the match going fans would need to turn on him before it's even remotely possible, and I think that's quite a way off. Away fans still sung his name yesterday. Atmosphere at OT still seems more positive than it was at the worst points under Jose and LvG. I suspect it's going to have to get much worse.

I doubt he'll be called out by any of the United contingent of pundits either.
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I don’t agree with the bit about the match-going fans.

As one, we will always sing the managers name and we sung Mourinho’s name in the game before he got sacked.

That will, and always should happen, IMO but the board don’t make any decisions based on that.

Their decision will be financial and nothing else. The bonkers thing is that, financially, if we hadn’t given the entire back room staff new contracts recently, it probably wouldn’t be an issue.

I’m intrigued by the timing of when Ole goes personally. I wouldn’t be surprised by anything personally.

Could, and should, be Thursday IF we lose on Wednesday. Might be Monday if we lost against Liverpool.

More likely to be when we are out of the CL.
 
The club will look like clowns if they sack him anytime soon, given they've extended contracts of all his team.
 
The irony that a club and fan base who like to think that they style themselves on the footballing mindset of Alex Ferguson have become so intolerant of change and have adopted this fear of ruthlessness that belies any understanding of how Fergie managed this club.

He was a man who would do everything and anything to be successful. Loyalties ended, friendships dismissed…whatever it took. Now we all have to pretend that mediocrity might work if we throw another £375,000,000 at it because….“United way”.
 
IhabX7 said:
The club will look like clowns if they sack him anytime soon, given they've extended contracts of all his team.
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This isn’t 1991. Any fan who puts any stock in contracts meaning anything are too busy attending their eleventh timeshare presentation sales pitch of the week to notice.
 
K Stand Knut said:
I don’t agree with the bit about the match-going fans.

As one, we will always sing the managers name and we sung Mourinho’s name in the game before he got sacked.

That will, and always should happen, IMO but the board don’t make any decisions based on that.
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It's funny how the fans will always find a way to detach themselves from any accountability.

The board absolutely care about the general atmosphere around the club. The Glazers are weak/passive owners - they are also aware of their own standing with the clubs fanbase, so they are influenced by the way the the general opinion of the fanbase.

Its why they didn't sack Mourinho in October 2018. OT threw a strop and kept him in for another 2 months. It's why when he eventually went , it was so toxic that they went for the 'cultural reboot' theme to again appease the fanbase.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Never in doubt. It’ll take crashing out of the CL AND going on an utterly horrendous run up to mid December. That much is clear.
Bringing back Phelan and Ole was obviously SAF’s idea (as was Ronaldo), so SAF’s advice still clearly holds a tonne of weight at at the top, and he’ll be pressing for them to remain patient for as long as possible.
You’d have hoped the Lampard > Tuchel move and subsequent instant change in their play and success would have been a wake up call but it obviously hasn’t been. It’s now been 10 months since Chelsea made that great decision and they are Champions League winners, league leaders and unrecognisable from Lampard’s side.
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I agree that SAF is having a big say on things regards Ole, was going to post something similar recently.

Everybody here knows better than Sir Alex then :confused:

I think Sir Alex will only change his stance should a candidate who really suits the club become available, much like sections of the fanbase like myself who are more concerned with making the wrong appointment than we are desperate to get rid of Ole.

The former would be much more detrimental than the latter. I think Sir Alex knows that and he’s more ruthless than anybody when it comes to what’s right for the club.
 
Any news? Is he likely to still be here for Atlanta?
 
He'll last to the next international break and by that stage irreparable damage will be done to the season.
 
DRJosh said:
How many of you would actually want us to drop points against Liverpool to hasten the process? I’d just want to see a good strong performance with it without Ole. I hope he resigns but that won’t happen
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If I was Klopp, I’d be telling Liverpool to get a draw in this game, more beneficial for them in the long run to keep Ole at the United. A pasting probably gets him sacked.

If he had any honour to stick with his original words when appointed, he’d resign today. This club is beyond him and he knows it, just conning the “top reds” with his non-existent feel good factor.
 
Salus Populi Suprema Lex said:
Right now two good hidings look likely. If that happens, it could get toxic.
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Skills said:
It's funny how the fans will always find a way to detach themselves from any accountability.

The board absolutely care about the general atmosphere around the club. The Glazers are weak/passive owners - they are also aware of their own standing with the clubs fanbase, so they are influenced by the way the the general opinion of the fanbase.

Its why they didn't sack Mourinho in October 2018. OT threw a strop and kept him in for another 2 months. It's why when he eventually went , it was so toxic that they went for the 'cultural reboot' theme to again appease the fanbase.
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I blame Neville, saying the fans will be singing his name at OT.
And saying after PSG with a steely gaze oh trust me they will be giving him the job permanently.
They listen too much to ex players and managers in my opinion.
 
Can I ask what exactly is it that Ole has built that his fans are worried about losing if we replace him?
When Jose left we were in exactly the same boat we are in now. An expensively assembled squad playing like strangers to each other week in, week out.
If this latest abysmal run of form isn't enough to convince people then I guess he's here for as long as he wants to be.
I guess get used to hopefully finishing in the top four each season.
It's yet another example of how badly run this club is when we should be challenging for titles.
 
He certainly wont be resigning and we will leave it too late when we sack him.Ideally,in order to save face all round,Ed should call a meeting to negotiate a compensation package so that Ole can leave 'by mutual consent'.The Board must have a shortlist of candidates,lets hope it's someone with the balls to drop Maguire,Pogba and other under performers.
 
padzilla said:
Can I ask what exactly is it that Ole has built that his fans are worried about losing if we replace him?
When Jose left we were in exactly the same boat we are in now. An expensively assembled squad playing like strangers to each other week in, week out.
If this latest abysmal run of form isn't enough to convince people then I guess he's here for as long as he wants to be.
I guess get used to hopefully finishing in the top four each season.
It's yet another example of how badly run this club is when we should be challenging for titles.
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Ole smiles, Jose scorns?
On the opposite side Jose at least did win trophies. Agree with everything you stated here.
 
I want the 11% of people who have voted to giver him more time to come on here and provide logical reasoning for their view. I am serious. I just want to know what those people think Ole needs?

Does he need more backing?
Does he need more time to get a better system?
Does he need more time to gel his new players?
Is it there is no one available right now who you would take?
Is it that Ole is a club legend?

Why do the 11% of people here believe Ole needs more time. I am interested
 
Sviken said:
Sometimes you gotta think if the board is doing this shit just to spite the fans. The incompetency is off the charts to the point of being unbelievable.
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I think so too. I mean, Eds leaving his role in December/Jan anyway, so he doesn't really give a feck. Might as well screw us over one last time.
 
Van Gaal got the sack after only winning the FA Cup in two seasons, Ole got a new three-year contract after losing the Europa League Final.
We are literally no further along, only now we have an even more expensive squad of players that are underperforming with alarming regularity.
 
My thought is even if we sacked him now whoever comes in is going to be faced with the same black hole that is our centre of midfield. It is criminal we didn't strengthen it over the summer, Ole should have been sacked for that alone. Maybe someone else would sacrifice a forward for the midfield and instill some discipline in there.
 
Skills said:
It's funny how the fans will always find a way to detach themselves from any accountability.

The board absolutely care about the general atmosphere around the club. The Glazers are weak/passive owners - they are also aware of their own standing with the clubs fanbase, so they are influenced by the way the the general opinion of the fanbase.

Its why they didn't sack Mourinho in October 2018. OT threw a strop and kept him in for another 2 months. It's why when he eventually went , it was so toxic that they went for the 'cultural reboot' theme to again appease the fanbase.
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I don’t think it’s detachment from accountability. It’s more of a mob mentality.

Us against them. Standing by your own!
 
If it’s time, I’m not behind the “yeah but no elite coaches are available” argument.

Getting the caretaker manager worked wonders last time. But this time make sure the caretaker stays the caretaker
 
Ixion said:
My thought is even if we sacked him now whoever comes in is going to be faced with the same black hole that is our centre of midfield. It is criminal we didn't strengthen it over the summer, Ole should have been sacked for that alone. Maybe someone else would sacrifice a forward for the midfield and instill some discipline in there.
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Give me a break. Guardiola is challenging for the league with no striker and don't get me started on Klopp's players, half of them wouldn't even make our bench. Our midfield is bad, but it ain't THAT bad. Plus, it's Ole's instistence on McFred that is costing us dearly. He has an actual midfielder that knows how to pass and move and how to control the tempo of a game, yet hasn't utilized him one bit. Buy him every best player in every position and we'd still struggle. The reality is that our woes have nothing to do with our players even if McFred themselves aren't United quality. It has everything to do with the coaching staff and the manager.
 
Despite the new contracts and public backing, it’s currently very hard to see him still at the club come June.

Fail to win the next 2 matches and the question will genuinely have to be asked inside the boardroom
 
K Stand Knut said:
I don’t think it’s detachment from accountability. It’s more of a mob mentality.

Us against them. Standing by your own!
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Comes across more like suicide bombing. We'll blow ourselves up, just to show everyone what we're all about!

Except for the collateral is only the club itself, and everyone outside of the club thinks we're a bit of a joke.
 
Late December or early January
 
captain666 said:
He certainly wont be resigning and we will leave it too late when we sack him.Ideally,in order to save face all round,Ed should call a meeting to negotiate a compensation package so that Ole can leave 'by mutual consent'.The Board must have a shortlist of candidates,lets hope it's someone with the balls to drop Maguire,Pogba and other under performers.
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Ed doesn't give a shit, he's leaving in December. What's the point of him dirtying his fingers when in a few months it won't be his problem anymore. We're stuck with this mess for a while now.
 
After the Liverpool game. Too little prep for a coach to have come in now and prepared for midweek fixture vs Atalanta.

After Liverpool, gives a week vs Spurs.

Players - like Pogba and Ronaldo - have thrown the towel in whilst Fernandes not on form to keep him alive either. He's gone.
 
The fact nearly every Liverpool fan is delighted he is our manager should be the end of any argument about him being up to the job.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Despite the new contracts and public backing, it’s currently very hard to see him still at the club come June.

Fail to win the next 2 matches and the question will genuinely have to be asked inside the boardroom
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Disagree with the last sentence. The discussion will come up once we are in trouble for the top 4 spot. Lets say in February if we are 10 points behind, that is where we will think about it. But now there is no chance, even if we lose the next 5.

Our board is super slow to react. The issue is that after Chelsea, City and Liverpool, the rest is not good enough to trouble us too much for the CL spots. We have still a strong squad. This will be a slow and painful death, drawn out til 2022 and maybe beyond if we reach the CL spots.

What is clear that Ole is just not good enough to challenge for the titles and top 4 and if we are lucky some semi final/final for mickey mouse cups is the best he can do.
 
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