I'm not missing the point for two reasons, first Giroud has looked as good with better and worse players. And the secondly because playing with better players won't make you look better unless you up your game, otherwise you will look out of place.
The poster who I responded to asked if this is the same player who played at Arsenal.
Why would I mention Arsenal defenders in a post asking whether Giroud is the same player that he was or better. You are the one missing the point, I already gave my answer and unlike what you seem to think mentioning Arsenal players isn't supposed to be part of it.
You mentioned Arsenal players. And its part of it since Arsenal was the team he was playing for. You responded to my post without knowing the point I was making.
Interestingly, 4 of their top 7 are still playing.The incarnation of the “underrated player” concept.
Only 4 penalties in his 52 goals. And this is the list he’s topping (A list of world class forwards)
Surprised to see Griezmann that high.The incarnation of the “underrated player” concept.
Only 4 penalties in his 52 goals. And this is the list he’s topping (A list of world class forwards)
Because you made a point about Arsenal's quality. Giroud has been playing the same way during his first years with France when the first team was far worse and when he was largely playing with the second team. Giroud level of performance and goal ratio haven't changed, regardless of who plays with for France. He was also doing it for Montpellier, Chelsea and now Milan.
Yeah, Platini has far less games. Mbappé is on a pretty high pace while the others have been undisputed starters for long periods of time.
The incarnation of the “underrated player” concept.
Only 4 penalties in his 52 goals. And this is the list he’s topping (A list of world class forwards)
Yet the reason he gets more recognition now is because the team he plays for is winning. Case and point. I never said he is a better or worse player now. You had no clue what point I was making, then when I told you that you continue.
I hadn't realized Benzema was almost on 40. It's not entirely impossible that Henry goes from 1st to 5th within a couple of years.The incarnation of the “underrated player” concept.
Only 4 penalties in his 52 goals. And this is the list he’s topping (A list of world class forwards)
Fair enough, now I see where you are coming from. But you realize that your previous posts read totally differently?
No they don’t. Especially when I said early on Ive not said hes better now or worse. And especially when I said you missed the point.
| Rank | Player | Goals | Caps | Average | Career |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Olivier Giroud (list) | 52 | 117 | 0.44 | 2011–present |
| 2 | Thierry Henry (list) | 51 | 123 | 0.41 | 1997–2010 |
| 3 | Antoine Griezmann | 42 | 114 | 0.37 | 2014–present |
| 4 | Michel Platini | 41 | 72 | 0.57 | 1976–1987 |
| 5 | Karim Benzema | 37 | 97 | 0.38 | 2007–present |
| Rank | Player | Career | Goals | Caps | Average |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David Villa | 2005–2017 | 59 | 98 | 0.608 |
| 2 | Raúl | 1996–2006 | 44 | 102 | 0.431 |
| 3 | Fernando Torres | 2003–2014 | 38 | 110 | 0.345 |
| 4 | David Silva | 2006–2018 | 35 | 125 | 0.280 |
| 5 | Álvaro Morata | 2014– | 30 | 60 | 0.500 |
| | | |
The stupidity of this is actually worrying.
Pretty standard that.
You have to be kidding.
Arsenal's tactic under Wenger never played to Giroud's strength.
So what ? No single player does what you claimed. They just could have chosen to move him on earlier
Agreed. Giroud's not a 'great' or anything, but he's always been better than he often gets given credit for. Use him as that target man with the right attackers behind him and he'll help the entire attack gel. Would've been very well suited to how Mourinho wanted us to play, considering that's exactly how he tried to play with Lukaku despite that never being his game.
I'm a massive Camavinga fan and I felt like Deschamps was missing a trick by starting Griezmann ahead of him but credit where credit's due. He's probably been France's second best player - his intelligence and awareness are vital to this team.
Camavinga has talent and time for him. I shudder to think what the team would be without this Griezmann
With Pogba out, playing Gruezmann in that position was a very correct decision. Although to be fair, he was the best player for France in WC2018 and Euros 2016, so playing Griezmann was always the right choice.
In hindsight that new role should have been used earlier, it would have fixed a lot of headache when it comes to Benzema and/Mbappé having more space across the attack. Griezmann was always the main playmaker for France but doing it from deeper helps everyone.
I will never tolerate any Giroud slander ever again. The amount of shit people said about him after not scoring a goal in the last World Cup.Well this time a goal in a big game
It doesn't count, it was only against England.Well this time a goal in a big game
I thought he was shite and one of the reasons France couldn't get out of their half. It really wasn't the game for him, but he scored again so fair feck to him.Well this time a goal in a big game
He stays in the box. It’s simple and it works. You don’t see him dropping 25 yards back and picking the ball off Griezmann toes
