Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.

[Wing Attack Plan R]

When we were awful during the DeGea years, his miracle saves kept us from having relegation form. We weren’t scoring for fun but DeGea made those 1 and 2 goal games not turn out to be losses. We are even worse going forward now, but Onana’s frequently underwhelming performances turn those 1 and 2 goals we scored into losses or draws. Change nothing else but Onana for DeGea and we are on a lot more points, top 4 maybe, and certainly not knocked out in the first round of the CL.

Onana is not our most pressing need this summer but without a 20+ league goals per season striker, his mistakes will be magnified cuz we won’t be able to offset scoring 1 while conceding 2. I’m sure he’ll be around another season but he’s not a top keeper.

 

[JB7]

When we were awful during the DeGea years, his miracle saves kept us from having relegation form. We weren’t scoring for fun but DeGea made those 1 and 2 goal games not turn out to be losses. We are even worse going forward now, but Onana’s frequently underwhelming performances turn those 1 and 2 goals we scored into losses or draws. Change nothing else but Onana for DeGea and we are on a lot more points, top 4 maybe, and certainly not knocked out in the first round of the CL.

Onana is not our most pressing need this summer but without a 20+ league goals per season striker, his mistakes will be magnified cuz we won’t be able to offset scoring 1 while conceding 2. I’m sure he’ll be around another season but he’s not a top keeper.

The longer he goes without a club, the better he gets.

If you'd said De Gea of 5/6 years ago, you might have a point. But that De Gea doesn't exist any more and with the De Gea of last year we'd be no better off, probably worse off as we'd give up even more chances on goal.

 

[Abraxas]

I very much doubt the club will change course on a relatively expensive keeper after one season even if the manager changes.

He has been poor in his goalkeeping abilities but they'll be hoping if they can stabilise this team next season he might be less exposed. Not sure his shot stopping or some of his positioning will ever be up to snuff but there will be other areas of the team they focus on first.

 

[FujiVice]

Onana had a god awful start, but I dont know if there are actually many keepers who could have put up with the amount of shots he's had to deal with the last 6 months. He may not be the long term solution, but he's way down the list of our current problems.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Onana had a god awful start, but I dont know if there are actually many keepers who could have put up with the amount of shots he's had to deal with the last 6 months. He may not be the long term solution, but he's way down the list of our current problems.

Why does everyone keep saying this? No one has used this excuse for any keeper ever in the history of football. Sure he will concede more goals but that doesn't excuse making fk ups. A sht keeper is a sht keeper. Sheffield Uniteds keepers are being given a load of sht. No one is saying 'oh that's not ghier fault. They face too many shots.' I swear United are the Kings of excuses

 

[Zlatan 7]

Why does everyone keep saying this? No one has used this excuse for any keeper ever in the history of football. Sure he will concede more goals but that doesn't excuse making fk ups. A sht keeper is a sht keeper. Sheffield Uniteds keepers are being given a load of sht. No one is saying 'oh that's not ghier fault. They face too many shots.' I swear United are the Kings of excuses

Basically, he’ll be a great keeper for us if we don’t allow shots against

 

[m1tch]

If it was just the keeper position that needed sorting then sure, let's be ruthless and replace him. The reality is that we've huge problems in defence, midfield and attack. This is Onana's first season, it's sensible to give him a second one given how much attention is needed in all of the other departments of the team. You've got to have a realistic approach to the ongoing overhaul. Unless a unbelievable deal for a top class keeper presents itself then this is can't be on the list for sorting out this summer. And who knows, a bit of patience may pay off and we see much better performances from him next year.

 

[FujiVice]

Why does everyone keep saying this? No one has used this excuse for any keeper ever in the history of football. Sure he will concede more goals but that doesn't excuse making fk ups. A sht keeper is a sht keeper. Sheffield Uniteds keepers are being given a load of sht. No one is saying 'oh that's not ghier fault. They face too many shots.' I swear United are the Kings of excuses

Because we've conceded the most amount of shots in recorded history for a Manchester United side. That's called "facts", not "excuses." And he was in Inter Milan side last year that protected him and got to a Champions League final. I'm sure the middle ground is somewhere in the middle of "he's great" and "he's shit."

 

[lex talionis]

If it was just the keeper position that needed sorting then sure, let's be ruthless and replace him. The reality is that we've huge problems in defence, midfield and attack. This is Onana's first season, it's sensible to give him a second one given how much attention is needed in all of the other departments of the team. You've got to have a realistic approach to the ongoing overhaul. Unless a unbelievable deal for a top class keeper presents itself then this is can't be on the list for sorting out this summer. And who knows, a bit of patience may pay off and we see much better performances from him next year.

I agree with this analysis. We have higher priorities to address than the keeper position, so let's not make the same mistake we made last summer by draining limitedf funds from our transfer warchest, whatever it is, that in so doing would undermine our ability to address those higher priorities.

 

[Kirk lazarus]

I think he's been reasonable all things considered . According to the premier League site , he has Slightly higher save percentage than ddg last year , slightly better pass completion , claims more , it's not that bad a first season behind new ever changing players .

 

[frostbite]

If it was just the keeper position that needed sorting then sure, let's be ruthless and replace him. The reality is that we've huge problems in defence, midfield and attack. This is Onana's first season, it's sensible to give him a second one given how much attention is needed in all of the other departments of the team. You've got to have a realistic approach to the ongoing overhaul. Unless a unbelievable deal for a top class keeper presents itself then this is can't be on the list for sorting out this summer. And who knows, a bit of patience may pay off and we see much better performances from him next year.

I agree with this. We are certainly not going to spend 50+ million on a keeper this summer.

However, we could get a cheap loan, like the Olympiakos keeper, with the option to buy, and use him and Bayındır. Perhaps they are more consistent.

 

[arnie_ni]

Let’s be honest here he hasn’t had a proper defence infront of him all season. Can’t remember the last time we had a proper defence. I’ll make up my mind next season provided we are lucky with injuries

He was worse earlier in the season before the injuries

 

[The Hilton]

Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.

 

[Judas]

Stats are what they are. As a fan I don't feel confident when he faces any shots, partly because I don't know what he's going to do, and oddly I'm not sure he knows either.

Still wouldn't bin him off already though, because he has calmed down a bit since the start of the season. I expect him to be better in certain aspects when it all kicks off again, hopefully with a settled defence in front of him.

 

[El Jefe]

Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.

All these stats tell me is that he’s played most games and had to face many shots this season which is what we know already.

Doesn’t really tell me much about his quality.

 

[Yorkeontop]

This thread is far too big considering it's title.

 

[Judas]

This thread is far too big considering it's title.

To be fair it's a daft thread which has (unfunny) title changes every other day.

 

[TheGodsInRed]

He'd be a great keeper for City or Arsenal. For a crap team like us, you might as well have a specialised shot stopper.

Hopefully we won't be a crap team forever though....

 

[Kostov]

Onana had a god awful start, but I dont know if there are actually many keepers who could have put up with the amount of shots he's had to deal with the last 6 months. He may not be the long term solution, but he's way down the list of our current problems.

Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?

Can someone post the amount of errors he has made this season? There must be some kind of statistic about that since we have a stats brigade on stand by.

 

[FujiVice]

Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?

Its a common analogy used in a sentence to heighten a point, Captain Literal.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I think it's fair to give Onana a second season. Players need two seasons to be judged properly, in my opinion.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?

Can someone post the amount of errors he has made this season? There must be some kind of statistic about that since we have a stats brigade on stand by.

According to the official Premier League stats site he has only made 1 error leading to a goal in the Premier League this season.

David Raya of Arsenal has made 3 mistakes leading to goals in 6 less games and Allison has made 2 in 10 less games.

 

[chisagyu]

Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.

If you want to compare purely pased on stats, DDG was 1st in clean sheet last season. Even last season's de gea was nowhere near as horrific and to watch as onana.

 

[Dion]

Onana is obviously going to have made more errors than most keepers this season, he's conceded the most shots!

 

[afrocentricity]

Onana is obviously going to have made more errors than most keepers this season, he's conceded the most shots!

I don't think reason works anymore, try clowning them? Onana has been pretty solid albeit prone to the odd wtaf moment...

 

[Kostov]

Occording to the official Premier League stats site he has only made 1 error leading to a goal in the Premier League this season.

David Raya of Arsenal has made 3 mistakes leading to goals in 6 less games and Allison has made 2 in 10 less games.

That is why you can't take stats for granted can you?

 

[RedRocket9908]

That is why you can't take stats for granted can you?

Some people have convinced themselves that he has been horrific and a disaster but the fact is the stats show he clearly hasnt been.

 

[711]

Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.

We've several people here that don't understand the difference between number of shots faced and percentage of shots saved, their minds will go blank at the concept of Expected goals prevented.

Onana is a good keeper, not as good as we would like but certainly not shit either. A better one would be nice but if that required significant finance then the money would be better spent elsewhere, in the near term at least.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Had a good game yesterday. The problem is he has often followed up good performances with howlers in the next game. Really hope he can add some consistency to his game next season, because at his best is good enough, and it is a bonus to have someone so capable with his feet.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Onana has faced 200 shots now this season in the league which is more than any Man Utd keeper in history yet people still critise him for conceeding goals.

As ive said previously there is no goalkeeper in the world that wouldnt have struggled in our team this season with no proper defence or midfield in front of them.

 

[Plant0x84]

I thought he played very well last night, yet still conceded 2 goals - aside from his howlers that is the story of his season. He struggles to keep the ball out of his net more often than not.

 

[wildflower2007]

Let's face it, United aren't going to be looking for a new keeper in the summer, we've got much more urgent problems to resolve and looking for a new world class keeper isn't one of them, especially when we've just forked out millions for him.

At this point in time I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season, he's had to settle into a new country, the pressure and expectation has been on since day one. He's also had one of Uniteds most make-shift defences in front of him all season that I've ever seen. There's been no consistency.
Yes he's made some howlers, but he's also made some good saves. I'm hoping a good summer studying the pace of the Prem and upping his game will see more consistent performances next season.

If he's shite at the end of next season, then maybe look at replacing him. But for now let's get behind him and hope he becomes a legend.

 

[Kostov]

Some people have convinced themselves that he has been horrific and a disaster but the fact is the stats show he clearly hasnt been.

You wouldn't see a disaster even if it hit your on the forehead. The stupid penalty, goals against Palace, Forrest, Chelsea and they are just of the top of my head. Stats don't list those I suppose?

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

Great stop with his face last night, pretty sure it’s not the first time as well.

Showboating?

 

[stefan92]

You wouldn't see a disaster even if it hit your on the forehead. The stupid penalty, goals against Palace, Forrest, Chelsea and they are just of the top of my head. Stats don't list those I suppose?

Stats include that all keepers make mistakes. Some make more, some make less. Onana isn't an elite shot stopper, but still good. That's what the stats tell us and what the eye test should also confirm. So he could be improved upon for sure, but it might be helpful to start with actually getting a defensive system that doesn't leak 20+ shots every single match.

 

[Kostov]

Stats include that all keepers make mistakes. Some make more, some make less. Onana isn't an elite shot stopper, but still good. That's what the stats tell us and what the eye test should also confirm. So he could be improved upon for sure, but it might be helpful to start with actually getting a defensive system that doesn't leak 20+ shots every single match.

Onana makes more is what you want to tell me? Yes I agree and realize that, good shot stopper? I disagree he is a very average shot stopper. The stats also tell us that he has only one mistake leading to goal in the PL while we all remember him making much more than that. He should be improved if we are to be a serious football team, that is of course along the defense.

 

[Kostov]

Onana has faced 200 shots now this season in the league which is more than any Man Utd keeper in history yet people still critise him for conceeding goals.

As ive said previously there is no goalkeeper in the world that wouldnt have struggled in our team this season with no proper defence or midfield in front of them.

Other keepers in our history conceded 50 shots per season?

 

[Pickle85]

Also, teams are encouraged to take potshots because they know he's an accident waiting to happen, which inflates the number of shots he faces. Our setup certainly doesn't help though.

 

[The Hilton]

If you want to compare purely pased on stats, DDG was 1st in clean sheet last season. Even last season's de gea was nowhere near as horrific and to watch as onana.

Clean sheets are a team stat. In the specific goalkeeping ones, Onana clearly comes out ahead of DDG last season. Even if they were even, Onana costs half as much in wages, DDG had to go.

 

[simplyared]

As much as I've strongly critisized him, I am thinking there could be a top goalie in there. I've gone from bobbins to potential world class. Thats football though surely??