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OranjeCafe: The Netherlands at the World Cup
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Oh yes! Bring on another glorious failure, that second half was impressive.
they won that won game 5-1, so they'll win the whole thing now. #cafelogic
I don't think they can win it purely because I still think they have mistakes in them and sneijder isnt very good anymore, but people were questioning their chances of getting through the group, massively underrating them
one extreme to the other it seems lol
I just think people get a bit overexcited. They did just dominate the reigning champions though. If they pick other teams apart half as well as this, they can go far.
People underestimate the impact of a world class manager.
One of the best world cup performances I have ever seen from a team, individually a large number of that starting eleven aren't on Spain's level but as a team they completely dismantled Spain. I can't wait to see what van Gaal does with our squad next season.
If you've got Robben and Van Persie playing well anything is possible.
Would you consider beating spain 5 - 1 overachieving?
The best way to destroy the current world champions on the biggest stage is always to play a half arsed friendly against Wales and look gash in doing so. Crucial preparation.
This Dutch team reminds me of Van Gaals great Ajax team in the 90s. Van Persie is their Jari Litmanen, Robben is their Overmars and then you have a young viberant and fearless team following the lead of the older maestro's. Blind, Matins Indi, Janmaat and Depay will emerge as major players after this world cup imo.
Who is Kluivert?
Depay. Like a young Kluivert he could potentially come off the bench and dare i say win the world cup for Holland.
If he wins the whole thing this will benefit United greatly. Transfer wise It wont compensate lack of CL but players will be mare tempted to work with him as it woulld be liekely that we will CL spot soon.
It was a great performance all right but Spain looked pretty poor. Still, I suppose you can only beat what's in front of you.
Great picture...
It was an amazing performance yesterday. Bruno Martins Indi told the press that van Gaal went crazy during half time and gave them a very passionate and motivating speech.
Hope they dont peak too early. Most tournament winners grow in to it, these early peaking teams always get found out eventually.
The next game
That's very good.
Sneijder should not be a starter for the Netherlands. He offers little threat, and is very poor defensively. It feels like they lack energy in this side, I would play Depay instead of him.
They got away with the result but Australia were very good today.
RVP's hold-up play is class.
They got away with the result but Australia were very good today.
RVP's hold-up play is class.
Depay, an attacker instead of Sneijder central midfielder? Was not the best match for Sneijder though tactics for the first half were wrong. The first half the Netherlands played bad. Second half he was much better.
They have really average team, even knockout round in this group is good result with this team IMO, and they have managed to get it already and to embarrass World Champions in process. You have two world class players in van Persie and Robben and really average bunch of players behind them, so fair feck to them.
If Sneijder picks up anywhere near steam ..... then this teams attacking potential becomes unreal.
The next game
Sneijder's lack of energy did tell in the first half when the Oranje didn't have anyone available to pass the ball to and instead had to boot it forward. Plus, Sneijder was sloppy early on when under pressure from the Australians.
However, when van Gaal went to a 4-3-3, Sneijder became more influential as he was afforded more space to do the damage. Still, his lack of energy meant that he couldn't impose himself on the match like he used to down the years.
I still believe he's very useful as part of the front 3 in that he can find Robben and van Persie and release a quick out ball forward.
Their lack of proper central midfielders is very worrying. They have two attacking midfielders in de Guzman and Wijnaldum often playing in central midfield, and they are exposed when playing in central midfield. I would contemplate bringing on Clasie if things don't work out for de Guzman and Wijnaldum as he's a proper central midfielder, at least.
ok, so how many of you would be shitting your trousers if you saw him coming at you?The next game
Their team isn't actually all that good. Punching above their weight so far and overly reliant on the system working perfectly and their few key attackers. Still, I do enjoy watching them play.
They should drop Sneijder, he's been bad in every game so far.
They've got only 2 class players. Both have a history of injuries and one looks to be limping in both games. (Though it could be the chronic groin pain that RVP talked about)
Their defence is not looking assured and RVP is unavailable against Chile.
They need a draw to top the group which is difficult with that defence. They have to score in that game.
Their defence is not looking assured and RVP is unavailable against Chile.
They need a draw to top the group which is difficult with that defence. They have to score in that game.
Their game with Chile should be an exciting one, both teams going for the top spot, both teams very poor defensively, but Netherlands missing Van Persie. Most probably will be a draw but with Chile's fans and how determined they seem, it wouldn't surprise me to see them top the group.
I think Chile will beat holland and top the group.
Would be interesting to see how both teams would line up. As much as either of them would want to top the group, I think resting a couple of players would also be back on their minds. And we will have to wait and see how LvG plans the team now that RvP is suspended for the next match. Maybe Huntelaar coming in? Also, could see Clasie instead of de Guzman.
Don't think they'll go very far in the knock-outs. Do not seem to have enough quality in their ranks to make a serious dent. Beating the current world champions 5-1 will most likely to be the highlight of their world cup.
If they finish top of the group, they would face Croatia/Mexico and then most probably Italy. After that who knows!
You are right, anything is possible. I just don't see them progressing too far with the quality of their midfield and defense. They give teams a lot of chances. Will have to tighten up at the back to progress far in the knock-outs, which apparently isn't Van Gaal's philosophy.
They remind of Van Basten's team at Euro2008. A great attacking side that doesn't have enough to see out the tournament. They have to improve defensively if they want to survive the tournament. A well organised side like Italy or Germany could find a way to beat them.
Van Bastens team played marvellous football, this time they don't. After the loss of Spain yesterday you should put the 5-1 win in other perspective, Spain was more bad than Holland was good.
Sneijder played awful yesterday, RvP dodged a red card, but the chances they did get they finished, just like against Spain.
And the defence is not that bad, de Jong is very important. They dont give away that much chances, from the three goals conceded 2 were penalty's (cheap ones also) and the one from Cahill was a world class strike.
Sneijder played awful yesterday, RvP dodged a red card, but the chances they did get they finished, just like against Spain.
And the defence is not that bad, de Jong is very important. They dont give away that much chances, from the three goals conceded 2 were penalty's (cheap ones also) and the one from Cahill was a world class strike.