Osimhen v Kane

[Hulme91]

Considering the makeup of our squad, especially in the front 4, Kane would not be as effective as Osimhen. Sancho, Bruno and Antony are all primarily creators who demand the ball a lot. Rashford and Garnacho are our only runners who are mostly finishers. Even Diallo and Pellistri are both creators who need the ball a lot.
Adding Kane, who also demands the ball a lot, will not help. Osimhen is a much better fit, stretching the opposition defence and being a constant threat in the box. And all that while not sacrificing buildup contribution, back to goal play and pressing duties.

Antony.. a creator? When did that happen? His primary threat is his goal scoring ability

 

[georgipep]

Antony.. a creator? When did that happen? His primary threat is his goal scoring ability

I disagree. Antony is a very effective creator both on and off the ball. He also has goals in him, which is great.

He is not the on-the-ball playmaker type like Sancho but he is 100% a creator type.

 

[Hulme91]

I disagree. Antony is a very effective creator both on and off the ball. He also has goals in him, which is great.

He is not the on-the-ball playmaker type like Sancho but he is 100% a creator type.

What evidence are you using to support him being an effective creator? Because I'm not sure how you can come to that opinion based on his time at Manchester United so far... has he even got an assist yet?

 

[Red Royal]

What evidence are you using to support him being an effective creator? Because I'm not sure how you can come to that opinion based on his time at Manchester United so far... has he even got an assist yet?

At least one for Casimero in the FA cup game, but yeah needs to build on that.

 

[Witchking]

Do not think we need Kane. I think we should look more towards youth. We already have a healthy mix of seniors in the team who can guide the youngsters.

Casemiro, De Gea, Varane, Shaw, Lindeloff, Maguire.

These players will also need to be replaced in the next 2-3 seasons. Adding Kane to the mix for possible short term wins is not worth it. He will start crashing in 2 years and we will be stuck with him. Like Rooney from 2016 onwards.

 

[georgipep]

What evidence are you using to support him being an effective creator? Because I'm not sure how you can come to that opinion based on his time at Manchester United so far... has he even got an assist yet?

Unfortunately I can't think of any statistical metric that shows his positional play impact. He has very high carry and possession numbers but is low in passing, so I see how you may think of him as not being a creator, but he truly is.

His role in the team is to create space for the others, as much as it is for him to contribute with the ball.

 

[Bebestation]

Kane’s passing is beautiful to watch but he literally feels like no one is creating anything for him & he is playing by himself.

Emerson Royal seems like the only other player that can provide some attacks for him.

 

[sullydnl]

The more I think about both players the less I'm concerned with who would be a better fit for us, as long as we can get one in the summer. Seeing how fluid ETH is with his tactics and positional play also keeping his principles all the way, we all saw Casemiro and Shaw as CBs, Weghorst as #8/#10, Sancho as #10, Bruno as RW, etc. I have no doubts, no matter who we bring up front, our manager will find the right solution for all.

Yep.

Both Kane and Osimhen would impact other players and force us to change the way we currently operate as neither are perfect fits. But I've seen nothing to suggest we couldn't adjust to either, so it's not really an issue. In terms of preference between the two it's just about what qualities you prioritise.

 

[Woodzy]

Kane is the man. He would not only get a bucket load of goals but he would be so useful for putting them on a plate for the likes of Rashford. He’s played some exceptional passes in this Chelsea game alone.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Kane apparently can be gotten for about a third of what Osimhen can be.

I just feel having a league ready player is worth its weight in gold.

 

[Bebestation]

Kane is the man. He would not only get a bucket load of goals but he would be so useful for putting them on a plate for the likes of Rashford. He’s played some exceptional passes in this Chelsea game alone.

His passing is beautiful and no one is playing any chances for him.

Spurs looks so uncreative under him but he still scores.

 

[Bebestation]

I doubt we get Kane if they get CL though, maybe shows his mentality a bit. Kinda wish Spurs don’t do he can cut the loyalty a bit easier.

 

[Bobski]

Kane is the man. He would not only get a bucket load of goals but he would be so useful for putting them on a plate for the likes of Rashford. He’s played some exceptional passes in this Chelsea game alone.

Utd need an all rounder rather than a one dimensional scorer. Osimhen lacks much of the finesse I would prefer, Kane maybe starting to decline but still has more to his game.

Really poor selection at this point after those 2,(Lacazette is one of the top league scorers in Europe this season) meaning the competition will be wild, see Osimehn ending up at Chelsea.

 

[Archi]

I would prefer Osimhen over Kane. It reminds me of when we got RvP as opposed to if we had gotten Lewandowski. One world class league ready striker but pushing 30s, another 23-25 year old potentially world class player but not proven in the league. I loved RvP and he was brilliant for a season, won us the league and I think he was good the following season too under Moyes, but had we got Lewandowski we likely would have won the league in 2013 too because we basically walked it, and I'm sure even that younger version of Lewa would be lethal under Fergie. And we potentially could have got another 10 years of top class service out of him. Here I also fear if we get Kane he might give us one or two great seasons but then regress, whereas Osimhen could potentially give us a quality decade. And this is all without bringing up the argument that we arguably need someone of Osimhens profile more in this current team. So for me it's Osimhen!

 

[Reyoji-Utd]

Its about style at this point.

Kane provide the allround play, link up, and goals too. Not much press from him. Age (30).

Oshimen is all about running, pressing, battling, forcing the play, abit hectic in his play. Not much link up, all about him to score. Kinda like Haaland (City kinda look off with him because all play are looking for him at the end).

Which one is better for us stylistically and realistically? EtH used to say that Martial is his ideal striker type. So i guess at this point go for Kane or someone of that profile.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

Its about style at this point.

Kane provide the allround play, link up, and goals too. Not much press from him. Age (30).

Oshimen is all about running, pressing, battling, forcing the play, abit hectic in his play. Not much link up, all about him to score. Kinda like Haaland (City kinda look off with him because all play are looking for him at the end).

Which one is better for us stylistically and realistically? EtH used to say that Martial is his ideal striker type. So i guess at this point go for Kane or someone of that profile.

Surely has to be definitely a player whos good at pressing too, we have seen how bad we were with ROnaldo upfront lazyly jogging, although he is just a shosking footballer these days as well in possession.

The question is whether Kane is capable of putting in a shift off the ball, if his latest pressing contributions are not more down to the Contes dinosaur tactics then the Kane lack of dynamism. I Kane can be pushed to work his socks off out of possession, he's 100% better than Osimhen.

Is Osimhen really that hardworking like everyone claims?

 

[Bwuk]

Surely has to be definitely a player whos good at pressing too, we have seen how bad we were with ROnaldo upfront lazyly jogging, although he is just a shosking footballer these days as well in possession.

The question is whether Kane is capable of putting in a shift off the ball, if his latest pressing contributions are not more down to the Contes dinosaur tactics then the Kane lack of dynamism. I Kane can be pushed to work his socks off out of possession, he's 100% better than Osimhen.

Is Osimhen really that hardworking like everyone claims?

Yes.

 

[mav_9me]

I think it will be Kane.

The aim is to play like like city and Arsenal do, where they control territory and are playing most of the time in the opposition half. If we do succeed in getting to that, then we will face packed boxes like city and Arsenal do.

In that scenario who is the better striker, Kane or Osihmen? More than likely Kane as he would be much more secure in possession. The one caveat is that he is not as good at pressing which will be needed for this style. Perhaps that can be coached?

Osihmen would be great in this current version, as this is more transition based team, but I think we will move away from this.

Summer transfers will show what style ETH wants.

 

[Amarsdd]

I think it will be Kane.

The aim is to play like like city and Arsenal do, where they control territory and are playing most of the time in the opposition half. If we do succeed in getting to that, then we will face packed boxes like city and Arsenal do.

In that scenario who is the better striker, Kane or Osihmen? More than likely Kane as he would be much more secure in possession. The one caveat is that he is not as good at pressing which will be needed for this style. Perhaps that can be coached?

Osihmen would be great in this current version, as this is more transition based team, but I think we will move away from this.

Summer transfers will show what style ETH wants.

tbf Kane is brilliant at transitions with his decision making and passing. Everyone sorta assumes all of the forwards need to have 99/100 pace to be great at transitions. But you only really need to have maybe one player with that kinda pace and everyone else to be able to make the best decisions in terms of passes as well as runs during transitions.

Only reservation in terms of favoring Kane over Oshimen for me is how well Kane can press from the front. Whether do we really need high-octane pressing like what Oshimen could provide or good enough level of pressing (and mainly positional pressing) what we expect to get from Kane.

 

[Bebestation]

I’m not saying he is a good presser but Kane under Conte has been sitting deep with the rest of the team in a low block.

It was probably the same under Jose with similar tactics.

 

[Idxomer]

While Kane isn't quick, he isn't a bad dribbler and has the ability to create a space for himself to pick either his passes or shots.

I don't think anyway he's slower than the current version of Martial which Ten Hag obviously admires when fit.

 

[Pronewbie]

Seeing how Wout works for our style of play, I'm going with Kane. Osimhen's injury problems are also a factor, plus Kane wouldn't be a work in progress. Many members of our 1st team are in their peak years and I'd like to capitalise on that ASAP.

 

[RedSky]

Seeing how Wout works for our style of play, I'm going with Kane. Osimhen's injury problems are also a factor, plus Kane wouldn't be a work in progress. Many members of our 1st team are in their peak years and I'd like to capitalise on that ASAP.

We have a young squad, De Gea, Casemiro and Eriksen the only over 30s.

 

[Borys]

My only worry is how Osimhen gets on with Rashford. I am sure Kane is a better fit for him, but he's older.
Still, would go for Kane. He will be instant success.

 

[Renegade]

Could Rashford provide similar to what Vic O does as a back up 9 to Kane?

We have Garnacho & Sancho for the LW too if Rashford has to play 9 on the occasion we rest Kane.

 

[sullydnl]

Could Rashford provide similar to what Vic O does as a back up 9 to Kane?

We have Garnacho & Sancho for the LW too if Rashford has to play 9 on the occasion we rest Kane.

Rashford might be able to function as our back-up #9 but beyond both having pace he isn't similar to Osimhen.

 

[mav_9me]

tbf Kane is brilliant at transitions with his decision making and passing. Everyone sorta assumes all of the forwards need to have 99/100 pace to be great at transitions. But you only really need to have maybe one player with that kinda pace and everyone else to be able to make the best decisions in terms of passes as well as runs during transitions.

Only reservation in terms of favoring Kane over Oshimen for me is how well Kane can press from the front. Whether do we really need high-octane pressing like what Oshimen could provide or good enough level of pressing (and mainly positional pressing) what we expect to get from Kane.

Agreed on both. The first one has been shown repeatedly in Spurs, with this version being the most counter attack team.

The nuance here imo is, Osihmen would be much better in a transition based team like now whereas Kane would be very good in both, but much better than Osihmen in a controlling team due to a better touch/technique/passing but would that be offset by worse pressing?

 

[Cloud7]

tbf Kane is brilliant at transitions with his decision making and passing. Everyone sorta assumes all of the forwards need to have 99/100 pace to be great at transitions. But you only really need to have maybe one player with that kinda pace and everyone else to be able to make the best decisions in terms of passes as well as runs during transitions.

Only reservation in terms of favoring Kane over Oshimen for me is how well Kane can press from the front. Whether do we really need high-octane pressing like what Oshimen could provide or good enough level of pressing (and mainly positional pressing) what we expect to get from Kane.

If you look at most of the best teams over the last decade, and indeed some of our best teams as well, their attack usually has at least two players that are rapid

In the PL: Liverpool had Mane and Salah, City had Aguero, Sane, Sterling, even as far back as the last Chelsea team they had guys like Hazard, Willian and Pedro who were all very quick.

In the CL: Real had Ronaldo and Bale that were both very quick, Barcelona had Villa, Pedro and Messi, then later on Neymar and Suarez. Bayern had Robben and Ribery.

Your attack is hampered with only one rapid player in it. It's not the end of the world, but it is one less tool that can come in very handy.

 

[RedRover]

Kane apparently can be gotten for about a third of what Osimhen can be.

I just feel having a league ready player is worth its weight in gold.

Agree with this. I'm always wary of players from Italy. The PL is a level above even the best European Leagues. There's no guarantee he's the answer.

Kane would score a boat load of goals for United and his general play is outstanding. He's one of the best strikers in the world. Injury permitting he's as close to a guarantee as you'll get and makes us title contenders instantly.

 

[NoPace]

The Athletic has a piece up on Osimhen. Interesting part is he does most of his work on the right side of the penalty area, so in practice he’d fit us nicely since we only have penetration from the left. We’d probably look somewhat like this:

Rashford———-Osimhen———
——————Bruno——————Antony
———-#8———Casemiro———-

So Antony hugging the touch line and playing deeper than Rashford still leaves us with good spacing in theory. Nobody is really in anyone’s way at least, and opposing left backs would be in a tough spot having to either leave Antony (to hit crosses to Osimhen and back post to Rashford) or get up on him and then Osimhen can get into the channel where he scores the great majority of his goals.

 

[Chief123]

If Kane ends up being our primary target for striker then I think we have a major problem with fitting Kane and Bruno into the same team.

Firstly, they both want to operate in the same spaces which is just off the front getting involved in the build up. Bruno wants to play high risk quick passes and slide rule passes to his striker. Kane doesn’t have the pace to compliment Bruno’s style of play. The only way I see Bruno and Kane being effective together is with Bruno playing from the right. However, in that case there are significantly better options available out there for right wing.

 

[ROFLUTION]

If Kane ends up being our primary target for striker then I think we have a major problem with fitting Kane and Bruno into the same team.

Firstly, they both want to operate in the same spaces which is just off the front getting involved in the build up. Bruno wants to play high risk quick passes and slide rule passes to his striker. Kane doesn’t have the pace to compliment Bruno’s style of play. The only way I see Bruno and Kane being effective together is with Bruno playing from the right. However, in that case there are significantly better options available out there for right wing.

Bruno’s adapted well to playing right mid, so i’d be far from certain that they exclude each other. I think Bruno will be able to adapt, but yeah dynamics between Bruno / Osimhen.. would that be better? Maybe but Kane’s just such a great goalscorer. I just dont see Osimhen getting to that level albeit being very talented

 

[Bwuk]

The Athletic has a piece up on Osimhen. Interesting part is he does most of his work on the right side of the penalty area, so in practice he’d fit us nicely since we only have penetration from the left. We’d probably look somewhat like this:

Rashford———-Osimhen———
——————Bruno——————Antony
———-#8———Casemiro———-

So Antony hugging the touch line and playing deeper than Rashford still leaves us with good spacing in theory. Nobody is really in anyone’s way at least, and opposing left backs would be in a tough spot having to either leave Antony (to hit crosses to Osimhen and back post to Rashford) or get up on him and then Osimhen can get into the channel where he scores the great majority of his goals.

This would also give us a lop sided box midfield which most of the top sides are trying to adopt these days.

Osimhen for me the more and more I think about it. He gives us something to hit for running in behind.

 

[NoPace]

If Kane ends up being our primary target for striker then I think we have a major problem with fitting Kane and Bruno into the same team.

Firstly, they both want to operate in the same spaces which is just off the front getting involved in the build up. Bruno wants to play high risk quick passes and slide rule passes to his striker. Kane doesn’t have the pace to compliment Bruno’s style of play. The only way I see Bruno and Kane being effective together is with Bruno playing from the right. However, in that case there are significantly better options available out there for right wing.

Interesting take. I would have disagreed because I think even without pace Kane could play higher up than he does for Spurs, but England were crying out for him to play higher up at times at the World Cup, and he just seemed to think he couldn't impact games the same way.

Antony also might need him in the box more as apart from cutting inside and shooting, cutting inside and hitting back post or penalty spot crosses seems like his only moves, and I do think Ten Hag is set on him coming good and being in the team.

Bruno has played well with guys like Mata and Sancho at times, and Kane is up for that sort of tight spaces play, but he obviously lacks their agility.

If I was running Spurs I'd probably look to sell Kane, get a manager who plays 4 at the back, get as much money and you can, sign a #10 like Wirtz (ideally) or Maddison, an LCB and a replacement striker (probably a young guy with potential) and play like this:

Son-----Richarlison-----Kulusevski
---------#10------Bentancur----------
----------------DM-----------------Porro-
Davies---LCB--Romero-----------
----------------Lloris--------------------

So if Conte goes, I think it's more likely they sell us Kane.

I don't see why Napoli would sell us Osimhen this summer, and I think it's more likely he signs say a 2 year extension and leaves in the summer of 2024 or 2025, so realistically I think it's Kane, Ramos or a plan C type guy.

All in all, I think it will be Ramos, because he can play as a 9/10 like he did behind Nunez with Rashford as a striker, or as a traditional #9 like we saw in the World Cup. Benfica sell, and apart from maybe Bayern I don't see the obvious big team for him, since Madrid will probably aim higher and every other big spending team has a striker. I buy the Kolo Muani to PSG rumours in an attempt for them to get a young French international in who is friends with Mbappe and will do some dirty work for them in the CL and free up Mbappe and whoever they end up replacing Messi with at RW, plausibly one of Dembele, Coman, Gnabry or Sane.

 

[Shakesy]

This has been quoted here right? Can't look through thread. Busy. Bye.

"I’m working so hard to make sure that I achieve my dream of playing in the Premier League some day but like I said, it’s a process and I just want to keep on this momentum and continue to do well." - Osimhen

 

[MUFC OK]

As mad as it sounds I do not want Kane. Levy would pull our pants down and there's no telling that he has another 4 years at the top of his game.

We need to be looking to build something for the next 5-8 years instead so I'd rather go for Osimhen/Sesko/Ramos.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

The Athletic has a piece up on Osimhen. Interesting part is he does most of his work on the right side of the penalty area, so in practice he’d fit us nicely since we only have penetration from the left. We’d probably look somewhat like this:

Rashford———-Osimhen———
——————Bruno——————Antony
———-#8———Casemiro———-

So Antony hugging the touch line and playing deeper than Rashford still leaves us with good spacing in theory. Nobody is really in anyone’s way at least, and opposing left backs would be in a tough spot having to either leave Antony (to hit crosses to Osimhen and back post to Rashford) or get up on him and then Osimhen can get into the channel where he scores the great majority of his goals.

That is really interesting.

But why do we think Kane will be less expensive than Osimhen? Uli Hoeness said in the Abendzeitung yesterday *** Kane is too expensive for Bayern. He said Man City offered 160 million last year which Tottenham rejected and he said he thought Tottenham would want around the same this year. Even if that means he could walk out for free a year later.

Voetbal International said today that Napoli’s overall budget is around 200 million of which they use 130 million for salaries. That is a lot less than real big clubs. They can’t afford higher wages for Osimhen, they have to sell him to get enough money for replacements.

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

Kane apparently can be gotten for about a third of what Osimhen can be.

I just feel having a league ready player is worth its weight in gold.

I keep trying to sell myself on Osimhen because he is the younger player, but Kane is objectively the better player and it's not even close. Osimhen can score goals, but Kane can do it all. In the end I'll be happy with either, but the Lukaku comparisons for Osimhen definitely worry me a bit.

 

[skc_18]

tbf Kane is brilliant at transitions with his decision making and passing. Everyone sorta assumes all of the forwards need to have 99/100 pace to be great at transitions. But you only really need to have maybe one player with that kinda pace and everyone else to be able to make the best decisions in terms of passes as well as runs during transitions.

Only reservation in terms of favoring Kane over Oshimen for me is how well Kane can press from the front. Whether do we really need high-octane pressing like what Oshimen could provide or good enough level of pressing (and mainly positional pressing) what we expect to get from Kane.

I would have to disagree with it. We are expecting Kane to be scoring ton of goals for us and not for creating assists we have other players for that.
Although Kane is much faster Berba, we saw how much our game slowed down when we signed Berba.
If we signed Kane, I would expect us not to rely on counter-attack at all.We already have Antony and Sancho who are not rapid with the ball. May be Rashford and Garnacho are the only rapid players we have.

 

[harms]

In the end I'll be happy with either, but the Lukaku comparisons for Osimhen definitely worry me a bit.

If I’ll compare Kane to Lukaku will that put you off him as well? Osimhen & Lukaku are very different players.