What if we humans are the virus?
Out of control dogs/dog attacks
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I don't care which side you're on when it comes to XL dogs, but this photo scares the feck out of me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
Honestly, how ominous is that look?
Right? The clue is right there in the expression - the human catches the virus, rather than the other way round!
Poor Covid was minding it's own business till humans got involved - caught it, built sub standard clones of it, messed up it's gene pool, and alas, the confused sod can't make up it's mind on which variant it wants to be.
With this breed plenty of owners have been killed that have been taking care of the dogs. Usually dogs can attack someone vulnerable if off a leash, these dogs can turn on their owner on a leash while being fed and looked after, they overpower and don't like to be restrained. It seems like the dogs need very specialized upbringing and training that is not practical. No amount of licenses and vetting would've stopped these owners being killed by their own XL Bully dog.
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@horsechoker was right. Humans are a virus. Especially to our own planet and anything else that is unfortunate enough to live on it while we are here.Right? The clue is right there in the expression - the human catches the virus, rather than the other way round!
Poor Covid was minding it's own business till humans got involved - caught it, built sub standard clones of it, messed up it's gene pool, and alas, the confused sod can't make up it's mind on which variant it wants to be.
The video of what happened yesterday online and it's a rough watch. There are 2 neighbours trying to get the dogs off the man by hitting them with planks of wood and ramming them with a wheely bin. The dogs are completely unphased and continue attacking.
there should be a more detailed list of dog breeds that require mandatory enrollment in dog training schools .
Just seen the footage of Ian Price. Jesus. But yeah tell me that chihuahuas and Jack Russells bite as well 
They've just branded them all as evil.
Honestly, how ominous is that look?
Regardless of the breed and whether it's a working dog or a pet. An ideal dog owner in my opinion should be someone that's responsible and is willing to put in the time and money to make sure their dog is well trained and socialised with people, dogs and animals.
The majority of muppets I see with these pit bull types and bully xls etc. To me anyway don't look like they fall into that category.
Sure. But you’ve evaded my question (which admittedly could have been worded better) Why does anyone need to own a dog like this? Why does anyone want to own a dog like that? Because I think the answer to those questions explains why nobody should be allowed to own a dog like that.
I don't want to evade your question mate but to be honest I don't think I know the answer.
Do 99% of people need to own any type of dog?
I would wager the answer is no beyond guide/service/working dogs.
So like everything else once a person for whatever reason decides to get a dog it's then down to personal choice, opportunity and circumstances.
Speaking personally I have a rottweiler, I don't need to have a rottweiler, he serves no purpose beyond entertaining my family. But then I don't need to own the Jack Russel I have either or any dog, I just choose to. And as long as I'm responsible and make sure they're well trained, behaved and socialised which they both are. I don't see any problem in that choice.
How would you suggest the criteria for choosing which breeds are chosen to be banned?
And how do you imagine the ban would be implemented?
I know this wasn't directed at me but here's my answer.
1. The pitbull cross breeds that altogether account for the majority of fatal attacks in the UK. I'll leave it to the specialists to decide how best to define them in legislation.
2. I would personally like them all to be seized and culled. Unfortunately the Chief Vet has confirmed this will not happen.
Point one I'm not sure I'd disagree to be honest. Though pitbulls are already banned in the UK, not sure there are pitbull crosses still around are there?
On your second point I can see why that would never be the route they'd take, it would be an unecessarily callus approach. A much better solution all round would be for Vets to identify Pitbull crosses at regular checkups if they exist and notify the Police. Who then give the owners the option of having their dog steralised or seized, steralised and then possibly rehomed/returned. With those dogs having to be muzzled and on the lead at all times in public. After 6-12 years no more pitbulls/crosses.
I'm not saying I necessary disagree about the Bully XL specifically - saw the video of Ian Price being ripped to shreds and I can't say I'd be sad if they were banned - I'm just saying it's papering over cracks and there are already plenty of dogs that are dangerous because they're owned by fecking scumbags who shouldn't be let anywhere near a dog in the first place.
Scumbags with a vicious chihuahua are kind of a different prospect though. Your right that theres no meaningful enforcement over who gets to be a dog owner and thats the real problem.
That is why off-leash areas are needed in some parks. Elsewhere on-leash should be enforced.
You touch on a key point in your second paragraph. Spaying and neutering dogs is a must if you are not going to breed them.
The issue is a lot of the types who get the problem breeds have delusions of making money by studding and littering their dogs but in my experience I've never seen any of those dreams come to fruition.
A spayed or neutered dog becomes a lot more social and a lot more predictable once the residual hormones are gone.
fecking SEETHING watching that. SEETHING.
Please tell me 3 things -
1. The boy is / will be ok.
2. The dog has been put down
3. The owner will do time.
On a side note, the little lad was incredibly tough in the time he was fighting on his own and did very well to keep it off his face / neck all that time.
Poor little lad, I hope he’s ok.
Yeah back yard breeding and most of them haven't got a clue of the expenses or hours involved with breeding dogs properly.
Just seen the footage of the guy that died. Brutal. People around him were useless but don't blame them really. Those dogs are monsters.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mass-xl-bully-walk-planned-27752197
“Bring as many kids as possible.” Yup. Totally a great idea.
“Bring as many kids as possible.” Yup. Totally a great idea.
I've met a few and they've been quite friendly if excitable but I've heard a lot of them don't get along with other animals very well.
I'm sure it will go swimmingly.
I've grown up with SBTs, between me and my family we've had 5 or 6 in total, including my most recent who was a rescue dog. He just died earlier this year and after sort of getting over it, I started to look into what his breed was exactly as I felt like I'd eventual get another. He was labelled as a staffy or staffy x by the RSPCA when we rescued him, but he had a slightly different look to him than our other staffs. After reading and looking at different staffy x breeds, I felt he was maybe crossed with one of these XL bullies.
When I looked online at puppies for sale, I noticed loads of the XL bully's and was wondering what they actually are? They seem to have sprung up from nowhere this breed.
Previously if you saw 'Staffy X' in an advert, it was potentially a pitbull, as this was the code sellers used to identify them.
Does anybody know the history of these XL bully's and what they're bred from? Is it some sort of new breed imported from America?
I don't know if mine was actually crossed with an XL bully but, before all these incidents, that is what I was going to get next time as I wanted another that looked like him. He was more staffy in his looks/genes, not such a big stocky build like an XLB, and he was genuinely soft as anything.
In fact I'd love to find somebody that could help identify his breed using photos, if anybody has any suggestions.
What I will say about this is that I hope they follow through in changing legislation around dangerous dogs. There needs to be more onerous punishment for owners who mishandle these dogs, put them off buying them. A few years ago all the talk was of SBTs and I've seen first hand how a proper home and training etc makes a difference. Like I said, we have had 6 of them and they never hurt anybody and were/ are good dogs.
If they do ban this breed, it'll just be on to the next. I've noticed more and more Cane Corso's being owned in the UK. That's probably the next one after these XL bully's that will end up in the media, rightly or wrongly. I don't know a lot about the breed.
When I looked online at puppies for sale, I noticed loads of the XL bully's and was wondering what they actually are? They seem to have sprung up from nowhere this breed.
Previously if you saw 'Staffy X' in an advert, it was potentially a pitbull, as this was the code sellers used to identify them.
Does anybody know the history of these XL bully's and what they're bred from? Is it some sort of new breed imported from America?
I don't know if mine was actually crossed with an XL bully but, before all these incidents, that is what I was going to get next time as I wanted another that looked like him. He was more staffy in his looks/genes, not such a big stocky build like an XLB, and he was genuinely soft as anything.
In fact I'd love to find somebody that could help identify his breed using photos, if anybody has any suggestions.
What I will say about this is that I hope they follow through in changing legislation around dangerous dogs. There needs to be more onerous punishment for owners who mishandle these dogs, put them off buying them. A few years ago all the talk was of SBTs and I've seen first hand how a proper home and training etc makes a difference. Like I said, we have had 6 of them and they never hurt anybody and were/ are good dogs.
If they do ban this breed, it'll just be on to the next. I've noticed more and more Cane Corso's being owned in the UK. That's probably the next one after these XL bully's that will end up in the media, rightly or wrongly. I don't know a lot about the breed.
To my understanding, it's not actually a defined breed, and the 'ban' will cover any sort of 'bully type' which is 'of the approximate correct size' - kind of similar to how the pitbull ban currently works. It's theoretically a few different types of pitbull mixed with american staffys. So if yours looks something like that and shares some genes, you're likely in trouble. If you want to identify the breed just do a genetics test.
The problem likely isn't the breed so much; more the result of lockdowns and terribly socialised dogs, along with poor/backyard breeding standards. A bully from a reputable breeder would likely be perfectly fine but the government are obviously reactionary given the number of fatalities lately and sheer number of problem bullys seized.
CC's will be fine; they are much less of a problem that CO's, RBTs, Boerboels and any other number of mastiffs. I'm not quite sure why/how the Fila got banned, but no other dog in that category is. The laws are outdated and rather nonsensical, but it is what it is.
Probably should be part of a bigger discussion about muscle dogs and the like. Some probably should be banned and others only allowed under strict regulation that demands training, certification and regulated keeping conditions.
Either that or only allow people to own setters. That would be my solution.
Either that or only allow people to own setters. That would be my solution.
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The ones that are monsters were raised wrong by the wrong people.
I had a Boerboel, he was lovely. We did pet therapy with seniors and he was a champ at it.
A lot of these dogs are a higher level of difficulty to keep and manage than others so it's easy for well meaning people to get into situations they can no longer handle and then the dog's behaviour gets worse. Even mine had a moment when I first got him where he challenged me. It was intimidating but I knew I couldn't back down.
The other side of the coin is people who actively want a dangerous dog to look tough.
A guy in my neighberhood has a couple. I dont know if they are big staffies, American bullies or XL bullies, but they are big nasty feckers that you can see he has trouble controlling.
If he were to somehow let one of them off its leash or it bolted out of his house, it could easily attack someone.
I dont know why people want them in their homes.
If he were to somehow let one of them off its leash or it bolted out of his house, it could easily attack someone.
I dont know why people want them in their homes.
Most people get a dog because they like the way it looks without understanding what challenges they may face in caring for it or how to give the dog what it needs to be a happy good boy or girl.
Nearly one-tenth of the human genome contains snippets of viral DNA left over from ancient infections.
So perhaps you are correct.
I got talking to a young bloke when walking my dogs near my home. He was saying he had got an American Staffy during covid and as it has got older it has got so protective, particularly when encountering other dogs, that he can only walk it very late at night. Sounds like he didn't socialise it well (or at all) and bought a breed he was too inexperienced even to consider. Great breeder huh?
Our breeder (of IRWS) does extensive background checks and refuses many people. Not usually because they suspect they wouldn't be nice to the dog, but because like many breeds IRWS need specific care and raising, and therefore they don't suit many people's lifestyle.
Indeed. As much as you love your setters, if you didn't give them the level of activity they need your house would be destroyed and walking them would be difficult.
Now imagine a breed that is meant for more aggressive pursuits that doesn't get the right care and you have the fella you described.
How many enemies do they have that they need a dog to protect them? My dogs think I'm there to protect them as they hide behind me when danger is encountered e.g. men in hats and sunglasses, anyone with face paint on, small wiggly puppies or Miniature French Bulldogs (which they hate with a passion as they have no social skill).
Frenchies are hilarious. So much attitude. I've seen one boss half a dozen larger dogs.
Indeed. "I played with it and it broke" and "This is why we can't have nice things" would be a frequent conversation. Even 2 hrs walking a day isn't really enough as we don't have a garden (only a small courtyard) and can't do as much off leash as we could when we had just the 1, because the new one still has recall issues due to overexcitement. She didn't get a walk until we got her at 15 months and now loves them so much she doesn't want them to end, so we can end up with her just hanging around us, just out of reach
We move in a couple of weeks to where we have a decent garden, a big park next to the house and lots of access to beaches. So that should get better/easier.
Agreed.
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Indeed. "I played with it and it broke" and "This is why we can't have nice things" would be a frequent conversation. Even 2 hrs walking a day isn't really enough as we don't have a garden (only a small courtyard) and can't do as much off leash as we could when we had just the 1, because the new one still has recall issues due to overexcitement. She didn't get a walk until we got her at 15 months and now loves them so much she doesn't want them to end, so we can end up with her just hanging around us, just out of reach
Story of my life the last 20 years.
My dogs hate them due to being "attacked" by three on a beach and the breeds total lack of ability to get doggy social cues. I'm sure they were just playing but they were nipping at Cadhla's neck and hind quarters from below, and all 35kgs of her ended up on my shoulders trying to evade them. They kept jumping to get to her scratching, the feck out of my legs and they still didn't notice that she was growling and air snapping at them when they jumped. Not a fan.