Panorama: Man United - Into the Red, BBC One, Tuesday, 8 June
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Well it is annoying when all his plural's are littered with stupid apostrophe's. Besides, i've never been afraid to admit that i'm a hypocrite; frankly, anyone who doesn't admit that of themselves is a damn liar. And beside's beside's, i had a pop at whoever it was for nitpicking because it's all he ever does - you can accuse me of lots of things, but not being original certainly isn't one of them.who say's you're not originall? Your squirmin. Is the presure getting to you?
Don't know if its new or not but just appeared on sky sports 5 minutes ago
Well, by quoting my two posts up there i imagine that RC was trying to highlight the irony of me saying one thing and then doing another; i had a go at someone for not adding anything original, prefering instead to just nitpick over other's posts and find minor errors, and then i nitpicked myself at Crerand's posts. Do you understand? Perhaps not. Btw, what pressure do you think i'm under? I think you may be misjudging reasons for posting somewhat.
To be fair, Crerrand's grammar is shocking, and it's far from just being the plurals.
I wish he'd sort it out, but it doesn't detract from his argument, and shouldn't be used as a cheap way to try and "score points" in the debate.
I wish he'd sort it out, but it doesn't detract from his argument, and shouldn't be used as a cheap way to try and "score points" in the debate.
It was nothing to do with the debate. Terrible grammar just annoys me. I think Crerand's argument is flat, repetative and lacks imagination and understanding - when all that's punctuated, for want of a better word, with some of the worst grammar i've come across on the Caf, it can really grate sometimes. You know?
You know what he was saying, it's just how he said it.
tedium of the highest order is what this thread has now become.
lets move on eh??
lets move on eh??
You disappoint me, Ciderman. Perhaps the grammar wasn't quite appalling enough. I will work on it.
I think this thread has run its course - probably best just to let it die now and move back to the epic Bond/RK/G+G threads as required
Maybe it should be merged into the epic... just to get the post count up, like!
What who was saying? You can highlight errors in my posts if you like, i'm not claiming to have perfect spelling myself, i like to make an effort as i appreciate correct spelling and grammar; too many, in my opinion, do not. 99% of my posts are made from my mobile phone though, so the 'i' will always be lower-case unfortunately, as that's just the way things roll when you're writing on a keypad - one of the few discrepancies that i am willing in myself to forgo. Even so, you'll find that the vast majority of what i write will be written clearly and written well. I don't put an apostrophe in every fecking plural for example. I find reading badly punctuated text a struggle sometimes; the gist can often be deciphered, but any subtlety of meaning gets completely swamped by the errors at best, and at worst the intended meaning can be distorted completely. I blame Facebook.
I second this.
Thanks for that.
Isn't it time that the likes of MUST and their supporters started slagging off Fergie?
Gill gets labelled a Judas cnut and a Glazer apologist so why not Fergie too?
Your mobile phone doesn't have a shift key? What sort of shit phone is that?
I post half my posts from my phone and I don't have any trouble with capitals.
You can tell which of mie are form my phone - instead of having loads of typos like "teh" instead of "the" (edit: or "form", that I just noticed at the start of this sentence - that's a common one), you just get the occasional totally wrong and innapropriate word, courtesy of prediction!
You'd love that, wouldn't you?
Unfortunately for you, no.
While "MUST and their supporters"* continue to be disagree with Fergie's standpoint on the issue, and have openly said as much in the past, they are generally aware that he's not got a lot of room to manoeuvre on this, and there is no question that he is deserving of his position as manager.
We don't have to agree with everything he says, but on balance he remains very popular and you'd struggle to find many who would call for him to go.
At the end of the day, it's not his job to get involved in that side of things anyway, and there's no question that he is doing the stuff that is his job in exemplary fashion.
Gill is clearly a different kettle of fish - he openly opposed the takeover before performing a total u-turn. He is now integral to the implementation of the Glazer's plans, and has repeatedly been behind actions which directly penalise the fans or put the club in potential jeopardy.
Unlike Fergie, I've seen no evidence that we can't do without him either. For what it's worth, I'm not even that anti-Gill on the grand scale of things, and could put up with him staying, for a while at least, in the event of a take-over. But I'm no fan of his either, and can understand those who hate him venomously.
*also known as a wide range of fans who aren't happy about the Glazers. Or alternatively, the large majority of fans who aren't in your lunatic pro-glazer fringe.
I bet you guys can't stand Fergie but won't say as much because you know how exceptionally unpopular that stance would be with 99.9% of the club's supporters.You'd love that, wouldn't you?
Unfortunately for you, no.
While "MUST and their supporters"* continue to be disagree with Fergie's standpoint on the issue, and have openly said as much in the past, they are generally aware that he's not got a lot of room to manoeuvre on this, and there is no question that he is deserving of his position as manager.
We don't have to agree with everything he says, but on balance he remains very popular and you'd struggle to find many who would call for him to go.
At the end of the day, it's not his job to get involved in that side of things anyway, and there's no question that he is doing the stuff that is his job in exemplary fashion.
Gill is clearly a different kettle of fish - he openly opposed the takeover before performing a total u-turn. He is now integral to the implementation of the Glazer's plans, and has repeatedly been behind actions which directly penalise the fans or put the club in potential jeopardy.
Unlike Fergie, I've seen no evidence that we can't do without him either. For what it's worth, I'm not even that anti-Gill on the grand scale of things, and could put up with him staying, for a while at least, in the event of a take-over. But I'm no fan of his either, and can understand those who hate him venomously.
*also known as a wide range of fans who aren't happy about the Glazers. Or alternatively, the large majority of fans who aren't in your lunatic pro-glazer fringe.
He's turned his back on his socialist roots! Burn him!
Right... OK.
You drift furrther and further away from the real world each day, don't you?
Perhaps you're an exception but I can assure you that Red Issue was absolutely crawling with people who openly admitted that they'd lost all respect for Fergie because of his support of the Glazers ownership.
No, they are the exception, and I wouldn't rely on the RI forum as a balanced representation of sane opinion.
As I say, you won't find many in the "anti-Glazer camp" who think Fergie is infallible, and agree with or respect everything he says.
But those who actually want him out, and have no repsect for him are in fact the extremist minority which you would like to paint us all as.
The people who support a full boycott of the club are the exception. You accept that right? Red Issue is absolutely crawling with people of that persuasion and the majority of them say they've lost all respect for Fergie due to his backing of the Glazers ownership.
Those who are fully behind it, and prepared to action it? Yes, they are certainly a minority, otherwise there would be incredibly few season tickets being sold.
But there are plenty more, like myself, that agree to some extent and can see the point of it, though it conflicts with other factors wuch as wanting to go to the match!
To claim that because the people on RI who say they've lost all respect for Fergie are aloso boycotters, then all boycotters are in a lunatic minority demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of the most basic logic and set theory.
Do you want me to draw you a Venn diagram?
Sorted if thats what you desire, leave you to it then and by the way you have spelt Crerand wrong.
Spelling never was my strong suit...
you are getting more and more bizarre with your accusations now. Fergie is the greatest manager this club has ever and arguably the best ever. He's the reason we've been so successful over the last few seasons. Nothing to do with the Glazers.And if you are that dim you cant differentiate between Fergie the football manager, and Fergie the self serving businessman trying to make as much money as he can, then you need serious help.
Rock of Gibraltar ring any bells ?
His nepotism inside the club lining the family coffers ?
Theres a big difference between being a great football manager and a great person.
Some people are clever enough to work out the difference between the two.
And as I say, his football reputation is beyond reproach..
However his morals and scruples are not..
and as if to prove the point, here arrives the 'lunatic minority' questioning the morals of arguably the most legendary figure in the history of our football club.
It is very sad when the general criticism of the club and policy starts to descend to that
It is very sad when the general criticism of the club and policy starts to descend to that
Utterly cluelessand as if to prove the point, here arrives the 'lunatic minority' questioning the morals of arguably the most legendary figure in the history of our football club.
It is very sad when the general criticism of the club and policy starts to descend to that
Bobby Charlton is one of the greatest players to don the shirt, but it didnt stop him being a ticket tout
George Best was the greatest player ever to play for United but he turned out to be a drunken wifebeater
Eric Cantona was a legend, but it didnt stop him shagging other players wives
Roy Keane was the captain marvel, but it didnt stop him being a drunken violent moron when he was off the pitch
WAyne Rooney is one of the most gifted players ever to play for United, but it didnt stop him sleeping with some old prostitute.
Get the picture..
just because someone plays or manages the club well, it doesnt prevent them from having flaws.
Some people are just to thick to seperate the person from their job..
I nearly got sued by MUST for saying something similar to that, fred.
You question SAF's morals because he has a good working relationship with the Glazers and says that they've always backed him with money when he's wanted it?
feck off.
No I am questioning how a so called socialist who understands the working class, can sit there and watch as working class people are priced out of something that was built to benefit the community. All so his bosses can make a huge wedge out of it, some of which no doubt will find its way into his pocket in way of bonuses and sweeteners..
When someone can sit there and claim to be a staunch socialist then shove two fingers up at the very class of people he claims to represent, then that makes it, without wanting to put a finer point on it.. a fecking hypocrit.
That said, he's a damn good football manager...
You can be a damn good manager without having to be a particularly nice person.. Just ask George Graham.....
Oh and for the record, that socialist campaigner, also believes that if the fans dont like paying the prices at OT, they could always go and watch CHelsea instead....
Who says socialism isnt alive and well in Manchester....
Who says socialism isnt alive and well in Manchester....
The difference is your accusations were completely without foundation.
The ones I gave above are all public knowledge and have been for a very long time.
I'm glad i don't think like you do, fred. You're a very bitter man.
The personal attacks on Fergie are disgusting.
He's been far more than just a 'damn good manager' for the club.
Have a word with yourself.
He's been far more than just a 'damn good manager' for the club.
Have a word with yourself.
Are you sure you are a Manchester United fan?
Sometimes it is not entirely clear
was thiking the same myself
Like it or not, its an unpalatable truth.
Whilst those players are legends for what they did for the club, as people, they have flaws in their personality.
Now personally, I can overlook flaws in peoples personality, and as I have conceded Fergie is without doubt the best manager the team have ever had, even greater than Sir Matt in many ways. However, it is well documented that at times he can be a bully, has been greedy to the detriment of the club, and hasnt been 100% truthful on occasions. If those flaws dont exist tell me where I am going wrong.. what am I saying thats untrue ?
Just because I point out those flaws it doesnt make me any less of a fan. It merely means I can seperate the person on the football pitch from the person off it.
Supporting a team doesnt mean that you have to ignore reality and offer undying loyalty, and completely discount anything that doesnt paint the players in glowing colours.
Bobby Charlton was a ticket tout. That doesnt change what he did for United, but it does offer an insight as to the kind of person he is off the pitch.
What is wrong with recognising the fact that off the pitch, he isnt as perfect as he was on it...
So if it were another manager of another club, would we be allowed to point out the flaws in their personality..
Lets take Alf Ramsey as an example.
Known to be a very stubborn and dictatorial manager who wouldnt alter his opinion even if he was proven wrong..
Are we allowed to mention those faults because he's not a United manager.
Bill Shankly, left Anfield under very bad terms, and in fact never went back to watch Liverpool play after he resigned as manager. Such was the bad blood between himself and the club, he even offered his services to Everton...
A Liverpool manager going to help Everton.. the ultimate cardinal sin, and yet so many ignore that and proclaim him to be Liverpool through and through...
No matter how much of a legend people can be, they still can have faults..